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Mithlob Loubbo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:05:44 -
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So I've been breezing through (having a blast while doing it as well) L3 missions in a Scythe Fleet Issue and Caracal Navy Issue and finally got sufficient enough training to make the jump into Battleships and L4 missions. I Fitted out my new Raven and still doing extremely well, however, I'm NOT having fun at all. In comparision to everything I've flown I'm a brick that takes forever to get anywhere, looting has become tedious, the adrenline involved with zipping around my enemies is gone, and I now dread doing something I use to enjoy. I've already sold my Raven and went back to L3s and took my isk/hr loss and now need some advice on how to continue.
So my questions are: What is a good Battleship or general Battleship fit to bring back that Cruiser/Battlecruiser mobility (sacrifices expected)? Is there a good T2 Cruiser to work towards that would sub for it or should I go for a T3? Are there any Battlecruisers that are worth looking at?
PS I'm mainly Caldari (shield/missiles) with some Amarr (Armor/lasers) and Minmatar (Focused on just ships up to Battleships). I'm primarily looking for that fun factor back and not the optimal isk/hour mentality for L4 Missions. Any additional help or advice is much appreciated.
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Amanda Chan
Just The Tip... Short Bus Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:08:54 -
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A machariel has near cruiser speed and agility while packing the firepower and tank of a battleship. They can be shield tanked so you'll have to look into training projectiles.
You might also look into the epic arcs for a change of pace. |
Mithlob Loubbo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:41:17 -
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I have heard about the Mach having fantastic mobility on top of good gank and tank, unfortunately, I have no points spent in projectiles. If long term says that would be the best fit for me I'm actually willing to head in that direction, but I'd prefer to do something not so quite out of the way if there are better/equal opportunities elsewhere. |
Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:02:18 -
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While the Mach is a beast of a BS, I found it boring after awhile. Because of how quickly T2 AC's tear through the battlefield, it sort of takes away the challenge, too.
OP, I'm like you. I like to zip around in missions using short range guns. It provides more challenge than sitting at X distance and taking everything out before it gets to you. To me, it makes the mission feel more PvP-like.
If you are a missile-user and want a faster missile boat, have you considered the bhargest? It is faster than the raven and allows for good projected torpedo range. It is 2m/s faster than the Mach at base speed.
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Mithlob Loubbo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:18:36 -
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Definitely like the idea of the Barg over the Mach with remaining in missiles/shields, but it seems very much a pvp ship with the gallente bonus and if used as a pve ship it comes with a big gank me sign attached. Or am I reading too into it? Other then those two problems I like the look of it and the velocity bonus is what I like the best.
Now that I check its quite a bit more costly as well. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
409
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:12:21 -
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Drake Navy Issue.
Cerberus.
Nighthawk.
Tengu. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1460
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:25:03 -
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I will for sure echo the recommendation of a Mach, probably the best bs for missions in game. I think the typhoon would be your best bet at BS size, in a t1 hull then. Can armor or shield tank it, and lob missiles, and go reasonably fast for a bs.
Barghest looks to be pretty decent for pve, the one bonus is indeed wasted, but it gets nice dps, and the velocity bonus is awesome as it makes it harder to waste volleys. looks like the CPU might be a little tight, but that can be worked around.
also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money.
I'm not sure I can quantify fun. but imo zipping around NPCs gets boring, doing as much dps as possible is my preference. Although I certainly respond to the slow warp speeds of standard bs now. I fly a mach almost exclusively, and a few t2 battleships. Fitting warp speed rigs helps. And warp speed implants on top of that. I tried using an alt in a rattlesnake and I almost fell asleep just warping around.
The other fun thing with level 4s are burner missions. you get to fly a small ship and zip around. some can be done with a rather low sp and isk investment.
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Amanda Chan
Just The Tip... Short Bus Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:28:05 -
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Sacrilege,damnation and claymore are tanky missile brawlers. Shouldn't take you to long to get into the sac but the damnation/claymore are a long train because they're a command ship. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2015.08.23 08:38:00 -
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You can also run level 4 missions in a Gila - drones provide most of the dps. Other cruiser size ships can do it but will normally be slower than a battleship because the smaller weapons do less damage.
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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:52:00 -
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HAM Tengu |
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NightmareX
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2015.08.23 11:28:28 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money. The solution to that is Marauders. Sure, the Marauders costs way more than a normal battleship or even a Mach. But with a Vargur for example like i have, you can loot and salvage while killing the rats.
In some level 4 missions, i can actually earn like 40-45 million isk in just loots and salvage in one mission. So in the longer run, you will earn much better with a Marauder over a normal battleship where you have to either use an alt to loot (which defeats the point of running just one character) or where you have to dock up your battleship and then bring out a Noctis or a looting ship which will still be more effort or more time spent over just having a Marauder.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2015.08.23 13:24:51 -
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The Gila might be an option. It has the damage and should have the tank and one can whip round spamming missiles forever and a day if that's your bag...
I would suggest that, with the exception of the Mach, you're never going to get the cruiser "feel" out of a BS, regardless of the speed of the Barghest (for example) it still feels like it turns more like an ocean liner than a speedboat...
Something else to consider though... If you can get enough agents close enough to each other and work out your methods - you may be able to string together Burners rather than the heavy standard L4s, spend your time running around like a lunatic in a frigate. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16544
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:18:13 -
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If you want isk use the mach, if you want something a bit more fun look at doing burner missions.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:20:41 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I will for sure echo the recommendation of a Mach, probably the best bs for missions in game. I think the typhoon would be your best bet at BS size, in a t1 hull then. Can armor or shield tank it, and lob missiles, and go reasonably fast for a bs.
Barghest looks to be pretty decent for pve, the one bonus is indeed wasted, but it gets nice dps, and the velocity bonus is awesome as it makes it harder to waste volleys. looks like the CPU might be a little tight, but that can be worked around.
also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money.
I'm not sure I can quantify fun. but imo zipping around NPCs gets boring, doing as much dps as possible is my preference. Although I certainly respond to the slow warp speeds of standard bs now. I fly a mach almost exclusively, and a few t2 battleships. Fitting warp speed rigs helps. And warp speed implants on top of that. I tried using an alt in a rattlesnake and I almost fell asleep just warping around.
The other fun thing with level 4s are burner missions. you get to fly a small ship and zip around. some can be done with a rather low sp and isk investment.
Hmm, you're probably right about this. When I'm running the missions in my NMs it's all good until all the rats are dead and it's time to loot... At that time, it becomes a choir because salvaging and looting in a noctis takes forever. Now if I can only get over my pack rat syndrome, I can finally stop salvage/looting those darn missions. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:28:39 -
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baltec1 wrote:If you want isk use the mach, if you want something a bit more fun look at doing burner missions.
You really have to know what you're doing in those things. I nearly lost my Deimos in one those newer ones last week (had to sacrifice my blackbird so the Deimos could escape)
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:34:21 -
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shouldn't even bother looting missions anymore, salvage and loot has taken a huge nerf and you're better off just farming lp
That being said, level 4 missions really don't present much challenge anyway. If you want to move up to the next level of PVE, start getting into wormholes |
Mithlob Loubbo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:42:27 -
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I think I'll go for the Cerb and after go for the mach. That seems like the best way to go about it at the moment. I'm really not that interested in the bigger ships so getting some T2/T3 cruisers and working towards the mach as I play in those would be fun. Not sure about getting a mara, would be too long a time investment for something that I may not enjoy. |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
342
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Posted - 2015.08.23 16:47:04 -
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You might try a typhoon. It is missle based and has the feel of a big battlecruiser. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1461
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Posted - 2015.08.23 19:55:46 -
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my main problem with cruisers in level 4s is that for the most part they can just zoom around and be near immune to damage. My tengu fit used a deadspace small shield booster which was turn it on and forget about it. Also since they don't do a lot of damage it takes what feels like forever to chew through NPC battleships.
Jacob Holland wrote:Something else to consider though... If you can get enough agents close enough to each other and work out your methods - you may be able to string together Burners rather than the heavy standard L4s, spend your time running around like a lunatic in a frigate.
with high faction standings (pretty much as long as they stay above 5.0, I would suggest 6 or 7 for some buffer) you can run almost all burner missions on one agent. You can decline a lot of missions and stay above -2.0 standings (especially with diplomacy) as burner missions give pretty big standing boosts.
NightmareX wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money. The solution to that is Marauders. Sure, the Marauders costs way more than a normal battleship or even a Mach. But with a Vargur for example like i have, you can loot and salvage while killing the rats. So when you are ready to move to the next level after killing all of the rats on the first level (if there is several levels in a mission), then you have looted and salvaged everything. In some level 4 missions, i can actually earn like 40-45 million isk in just loots and salvage from battleship npc's alone in one mission. So in the longer run, you will earn much better with a Marauder over a normal battleship where you have to either use an alt to loot (which defeats the point of running just one character) or where you have to dock up your battleship and then bring out a Noctis or a looting ship which will still be more effort or more time spent over just having a Marauder.
Maruaders are better for sure, but I don't usually come away with more than a few mil in loot. So little I should probably just stop using marauders and switch to a mach. I simply kill so much faster than I can loot, and many wrecks end up outside of tractor range. I tried an alt in a noctis for a while, but that loots so fast I end up spending most of my time on that character sitting there doing nothing. And especially now with burner missions the noctis has even less to do.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1238
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Posted - 2015.08.23 21:20:08 -
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You can fit up a Tengu with polarized HAMs. The tank is sufficient and your dps is somewhere between 1150 and 1250 with some imps. |
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Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
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Posted - 2015.08.23 21:21:32 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:my main problem with cruisers in level 4s is that for the most part they can just zoom around and be near immune to damage. My tengu fit used a deadspace small shield booster which was turn it on and forget about it. Also since they don't do a lot of damage it takes what feels like forever to chew through NPC battleships.
Are you flying a HAM tengu? With good skills, you should see 800 to 900DPS with 40+ KM range using rage ham's. Drops to 589 DPS using javelin ham's with 77+ KM range.
[Tengu, HAM] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Dread Guristas Medium Shield Booster Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Missile Guidance Computer II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.23 21:50:38 -
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Raven? Get your propulsion skills up, make sure you have weapons and drone range, fit mjd (even mjd + AB if you want) and skip looting. Also the option to fit an astronautic rig. It's all trade offs, otherwise it'd be OP. If you want unbreakable shields with DPS then you lose mobility etc. If you lack BS skill then you just fly what you can until then.
I'm in it for the money
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1465
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Posted - 2015.08.24 03:15:35 -
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Jonas Kanjus wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:my main problem with cruisers in level 4s is that for the most part they can just zoom around and be near immune to damage. My tengu fit used a deadspace small shield booster which was turn it on and forget about it. Also since they don't do a lot of damage it takes what feels like forever to chew through NPC battleships. Are you flying a HAM tengu? With good skills, you should see 800 to 900DPS with 40+ KM range using rage ham's. Drops to 589 DPS using javelin ham's with 77+ KM range.
the ham tengu used to do at least 1k dps *looks in eft, yep still does* but it was so annoying to fly that I pretty much never used it. sub 2s volley means either paying a lot of attention or wasting a lot of volleys.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.08.24 05:51:09 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:shouldn't even bother looting missions anymore, salvage and loot has taken a huge nerf and you're better off just farming lp
That being said, level 4 missions really don't present much challenge anyway. If you want to move up to the next level of PVE, start getting into wormholes
I was in the process of making this transition, then all of sudden I started getting tons of back to back burner missions, then blockades galore. Next thing I knew I was back to grinding lev 4's again...sigh. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.08.24 06:00:43 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:my main problem with cruisers in level 4s is that for the most part they can just zoom around and be near immune to damage. My tengu fit used a deadspace small shield booster which was turn it on and forget about it. Also since they don't do a lot of damage it takes what feels like forever to chew through NPC battleships. Jacob Holland wrote:Something else to consider though... If you can get enough agents close enough to each other and work out your methods - you may be able to string together Burners rather than the heavy standard L4s, spend your time running around like a lunatic in a frigate. with high faction standings (pretty much as long as they stay above 5.0, I would suggest 6 or 7 for some buffer) you can run almost all burner missions on one agent. You can decline a lot of missions and stay above -2.0 standings (especially with diplomacy) as burner missions give pretty big standing boosts. NightmareX wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money. The solution to that is Marauders. Sure, the Marauders costs way more than a normal battleship or even a Mach. But with a Vargur for example like i have, you can loot and salvage while killing the rats. So when you are ready to move to the next level after killing all of the rats on the first level (if there is several levels in a mission), then you have looted and salvaged everything. In some level 4 missions, i can actually earn like 40-45 million isk in just loots and salvage from battleship npc's alone in one mission. So in the longer run, you will earn much better with a Marauder over a normal battleship where you have to either use an alt to loot (which defeats the point of running just one character) or where you have to dock up your battleship and then bring out a Noctis or a looting ship which will still be more effort or more time spent over just having a Marauder. Maruaders are better for sure, but I don't usually come away with more than a few mil in loot. So little I should probably just stop using marauders and switch to a mach. I simply kill so much faster than I can loot, and many wrecks end up outside of tractor range. I tried an alt in a noctis for a while, but that loots so fast I end up spending most of my time on that character sitting there doing nothing. And especially now with burner missions the noctis has even less to do.
I thought they nerfed the agility of the Machs, so I ignored them, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I started playing around for Mach fits on PYFA, and they can actually fit T2 1400 arties quite well with a solid armor or shield tank. Sigh, all that time I spent training for the Paladins could have gone towards the Machs darnit. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
323
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Posted - 2015.08.24 10:58:55 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:my main problem with cruisers in level 4s is that for the most part they can just zoom around and be near immune to damage. My tengu fit used a deadspace small shield booster which was turn it on and forget about it. Also since they don't do a lot of damage it takes what feels like forever to chew through NPC battleships. Jacob Holland wrote:Something else to consider though... If you can get enough agents close enough to each other and work out your methods - you may be able to string together Burners rather than the heavy standard L4s, spend your time running around like a lunatic in a frigate. with high faction standings (pretty much as long as they stay above 5.0, I would suggest 6 or 7 for some buffer) you can run almost all burner missions on one agent. You can decline a lot of missions and stay above -2.0 standings (especially with diplomacy) as burner missions give pretty big standing boosts. NightmareX wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:also don't loot in a battleships, just the thought of that is boring (for that matter probably don't even loot). get a noctis if you must. Loot values are at the lowest I've ever seen. in the time it takes to loot a rare item you could have easily killed a few more npcs, got some LP, and made more money. The solution to that is Marauders. Sure, the Marauders costs way more than a normal battleship or even a Mach. But with a Vargur for example like i have, you can loot and salvage while killing the rats. So when you are ready to move to the next level after killing all of the rats on the first level (if there is several levels in a mission), then you have looted and salvaged everything. In some level 4 missions, i can actually earn like 40-45 million isk in just loots and salvage from battleship npc's alone in one mission. So in the longer run, you will earn much better with a Marauder over a normal battleship where you have to either use an alt to loot (which defeats the point of running just one character) or where you have to dock up your battleship and then bring out a Noctis or a looting ship which will still be more effort or more time spent over just having a Marauder. Maruaders are better for sure, but I don't usually come away with more than a few mil in loot. So little I should probably just stop using marauders and switch to a mach. I simply kill so much faster than I can loot, and many wrecks end up outside of tractor range. I tried an alt in a noctis for a while, but that loots so fast I end up spending most of my time on that character sitting there doing nothing. And especially now with burner missions the noctis has even less to do. I thought they nerfed the agility of the Machs, so I ignored them, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I started playing around for Mach fits on PYFA, and they can actually fit T2 1400 arties quite well with a solid armor or shield tank. Sigh, all that time I spent training for the Paladins could have gone towards the Machs darnit.
Polarised Pulse, Aarmor tanked Paladin. Saw some clips, thing is absolutely batshit insane.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.08.24 11:10:29 -
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Polarised Pulse, Aarmor tanked Paladin. Saw some clips, thing is absolutely batshit insane. [/quote]
Interesting, I'll look into this.
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Sasmara
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:05:20 -
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Opps sry Tengu, but thats boring too |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:54:46 -
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Currently looking into a + 700 dps Ferox fit myself for lowsec ratting |
Arthur Aihaken
Chig
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Mithlob Loubbo wrote:PS I'm mainly Caldari (shield/missiles) with some Amarr (Armor/lasers) and Minmatar (Focused on just ships up to Battleships). I'm primarily looking for that fun factor back and not the optimal isk/hour mentality for L4 Missions. Any additional help or advice is much appreciated. Torpedo Golem.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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