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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2015.08.24 17:38:44 -
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Fellow empyreans,
I don't know how many of you know me. Along with Ashterothi and Lockefox, I run the popular capsuleer learning service and research team called Hydrostatic. I rarely engage on GalNet, but I think we all recognize the importance of what happened in Safizon three days ago.
The Drifters have now permanently extinguished two of our number with the efficiency of CONCORD but without its mandate.
I come to you today as a fellow capsuleer. We owe it to ourselves, to the Amarr, and to the entire cluster to find out exactly what happened, both with Dr. Tukoss and now Empress Jamyl I.
Unfortunately, the only way we can accomplish this is by examining the body of Jamyl Sarum and comparing those scans with scans from the autopsy of Dr. Tukoss. Hydrostatic has extensive connections with the research team who so dilligently examined Dr. TukossGÇÖs body, but the whereabouts of Empress Jamyl IGÇÖs body are currently unknown.
In the pursuit of truth and preservation for us and for the cluster, Hydrostatic is prepared, as a neutral party, to commit a substantial financial reward for the safe and respectful return of Empress Jamyl IGÇÖs body into our custody. Upon receipt, we plan to perform non-invasive scans of the EmpressGÇÖs body to compare to those of Dr. Tukoss, and then turn it over to Amarr authorities for interment befitting the Empress.
If you have information regarding the whereabouts of Her body, please contact me immediately so that we can discuss the transfer, including any third parties you may require.
Phyridean, Producer and Director, Hydrostatic |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7546
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:01:14 -
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IKAME formally endorses this initiative. Moving forward, we will be providing additional intelligence and information-gathering forms for pilots to use, as provided by our events analyst Suzuha Yamada and Ollie Rundle, along with footage gathered and collated by Jaret Victorian and Haria Haritimado.
I would like to personally thank every pilot assisting in this venture, both within IKAME and without, for pursuing the only proper path: cooperative efforts to recover and properly inter the remains of Empress Jamyl I.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
414
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:10:55 -
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You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:11:44 -
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I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand!
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:26:04 -
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Luna, I understand your concern, and I share your wish that the Empress be treated with respect. I believe the highest respect we can pay her is to figure out more about what it was that killed her, and work to prevent such things from happening in the future to those she sought to protect. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7550
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:26:11 -
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Personally, my only objective will be to verify that, indeed, the body is that of the Empress. Anything that follows will be at the express instruction of concerned parties. I very much doubt there will be need for anything beyond the most basic, non-invasive procedures.
With due respect, Phyridian, I doubt very much there will be anything to learn. Even in the case of Tukoss, the aberrations were likely a product of novel clone architecture and a subsequent failure of his TEBS. In the case of the Empress Jamyl I, I expect we will simply find that there was no TEBS operation, high-grade capsuleer implants, and standard, old-fashion biology. There will be little need to subject her remains to anything beyond the most basic tests to verify that these are indeed the imperial remains.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
255
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:27:05 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand! Yeah, better decompose in some random-ass warehouse deep in nullsec.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
281
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:33:56 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand!
While the information that could be discovered by fairly non-intrusive, and standard practices of autopsy would be invaluable, we are planning on working with those faithful to ensure that proper treatment of the remains are maintained until such a time as they can be returned to their rightful resting place.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1955
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:35:21 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Personally, my only objective will be to verify that, indeed, the body is that of the Empress. Anything that follows will be at the express instruction of concerned parties. I very much doubt there will be need for anything beyond the most basic, non-invasive procedures.
With due respect, Phyridian, I doubt very much there will be anything to learn. Even in the case of Tukoss, the aberrations were likely a product of novel clone architecture and a subsequent failure of his TEBS. In the case of the Empress Jamyl I, I expect we will simply find that there was no TEBS operation, high-grade capsuleer implants, and standard, old-fashion biology. There will be little need to subject her remains to anything beyond the most basic tests to verify that these are indeed the imperial remains. Makoto Priano has already demonstrated herself as a liar. Do not trust, do not believe her words. If she tries to convince you in what she will do - don't fall for this. I strongly recommend any Amarr official to avoid this person and don't have any business with dishonored like her. She must not be considered Caldari anymore and we don't hold responsibility for her actions. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7550
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:44:00 -
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You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll.
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
587
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:57:41 -
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While I commend everyone's dedication to this initiative, I have to caution, any remains must be returned to the Empire first and foremost. This is as much for cultural reasons as it is for reasons of intelligence.
If perchance there is someone reading this that has information on the whereabouts of, or is in possession of this...artefact...please consider that at this point the Empire is likely to give a handsome reward to the individual who kept the remains of our Empress out of the hands of the Drifters. They are also just as likely to spend the next several centuries torturing to death the body thief who made off with the remains of our Empress. Either way, I'm sure the pilot or corporation involved is certainly in for a very lively time. I highly recommend the individual take careful consideration of his or her future. Or lack thereof.
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:00:19 -
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Diana, we understand that this is a sensitive matter, which is why I plan to personally supervise all actions taken. Any member of the Hydrostatic research panel will be able to observe as well, and given the diversity of our contacts throughout all four empires and several independent groups, I believe we can safely say that we'll avoid any biases held by any single researcher. |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:01:43 -
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Sinjin, in addition to our substantial reward, we also have no plans to reveal the identity of the person we receive the body from, nor to torture them. |
Goldfinch
House Rkard
276
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:36:13 -
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Mr. Phyridean, Ms. Priano,
We respond with the utmost respect for your scientific curiosity and fully cognizant that you will try your best to honor Her Majesty's remains the best way that you, not of the Amarr Faith, are capable.
However, the Empress's remains are holy. All methods of scan and investigation are invasive as none of you are of the Sarum Family or claim any theological authority or motivation. Your restrictions are the same as those imposed on Matshi Raish.
We understand that you are capable of backing your offer with immense financial value. But we request that the Empress's body, if you receive it, be transferred to a person named by the Chamberlain or a proper authority without being subjected to a scan or investigation of any kind.
We have lost a dearly loved leader, the Voice of God, and our head of state. Please respect the tenets of our faith, and the sanctity of her person. Please do not dedicate your significant assets just to spite our sacred beliefs.
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Neph
Operation Meatshield
15
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:02 -
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I'm sorry, this is disgusting. The body of Jamyl Sarum should be returned to her family and her people. Doing anything more, or anything less, to any person--Empress or not--is dehumanizing and supremely disrespectful. Besides that, the body of one who embodied an entire nation should be treated with appropriate honor. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:19 -
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Given that SoCT has already publicly scanned her, and in light of the current Drifter situation I implore you to put the safety of those still living above the remains of one who is already returned to her maker.
Whatever it is that is going on, and whatever to Society is interested in, it behooves us to perform due diligence to discover it. All possible respect will be afforded the remains, and we believe this solution is vastly improved over the current one.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7555
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:49 -
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And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain?
While I laud Phyridian and Ashterothi's scientific desires, as the State is a dutiful ally, my objective is merely to verify that the remains we present to the Empire are indeed those they revere.
No invasive procedures should be performed without express direction of a due authority. I assure you that IKAME's HR department is already seeking out True Amarr lab personnel to assist in the venture, so that we observe all possible protocols to ensure that the remains are treated with dignity.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:54:28 -
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Neph wrote:I'm sorry, this is disgusting. The body of Jamyl Sarum should be returned to her family and her people. Doing anything more, or anything less, to any person--Empress or not--is dehumanizing and supremely disrespectful. Besides that, the body of one who embodied an entire nation should be treated with appropriate honor.
What is disgusting is the willingness to allow her holy remains to remain at large. We are offering a neutral solution that is far better then either leaving her to rot in someones hanger, or hand over whenever CONCORD decides to overstep their jurisdiction on such matters _again_.
We are committed to the safe return of her holy flesh to the faithful of Amarr.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:57:54 -
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Phyridean wrote:Sinjin, in addition to our substantial reward, we also have no plans to reveal the identity of the person we receive the body from, nor to torture them.
To reemphasize. We fear that the owner has not come forward for fear of being vilified, and the opinions expressed here only reinforce that fear. We have several people involved that come from various backgrounds to ensure neutrality.
We offer protection of the holder, as they are likely in a very uncomfortable position.
We are not here to witch hunt, merely secure proper care of the remains.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1437
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:18:24 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll. But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute.....
On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Goldfinch
House Rkard
278
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:20:29 -
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Ashterothi wrote:due diligence
Makoto Priano wrote:And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain?
Again, with all due respect neither of you are Amarr, and not of the Faith. We generally respect your opinions, but in the matter of the Amarr Empress, we don't think Gallentean and State interest parties should have the first and absolute say in what is invasive and isn't.
It is troubling to see no reverence or mutual respect for our beliefs. We would never personally insist on doing the same to you or your head of state in a similar situation. It is undiplomatic and disrespectful to insist on inspecting the Empress's remains. That your motives are benevolent is not the point. You are not her family. You are not a representative of the theocratic government of Amarr.
We are surprised there is no ethical tenet for privacy within the bounds of your scientific operation. Do you not consider privacy to be a part of your ethical obligations? Does your "due diligence" require you to roll roughshod over any concerns of privacy and personal sanctity?
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
283
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:30:10 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll. But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute..... On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space.
If SoCT is interested in her, so am I.
In all reality, we have already seen counterfeit bodies appear. Proper identification of the body is important before we can return it.
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:36:05 -
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Goldfinch, with all due respect in return, I am Ni Kunni and have followed the faith throughout my journeys through Caldari and Gallente space. I want to see the Empress's remains treated with respect as much as you do. If we can successfully find the capsuleer who retrieved her body, I would be happy to directly contact the Sarum family to secure their cooperation. I believe that they, like us, will want her identity verified.
A simple scan of her body and a non-invasive retrieval of her capsuleer implant telemetry data could be vital in countering the Drifter threat, which I believe everyone here, and especially those living in the Empire, will agree is in the Cluster's best interest, but I am willing to concede that point if necessary. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
283
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:38:17 -
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I and my corporation support your request and will add to the reward. We assume that should you acquire this information that you will share it with the capsuleer community. There are enough questions regarding her person that need to be answered that even stealing the shell that was once Jamyl Sarum should be considered. But out of respect for her person and her people, the non-invasive scan should be the most that is performed upon her. |
Amalla Galltera
Boys in Plaid
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:40:06 -
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Whoever has it's corpse should dispose of it immediately, in the most brutal way possible. Preferably by giving it to the Circadian Sleepers to have fun experimenting on the evil *****. |
Goldfinch
House Rkard
278
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:46:26 -
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Your Empress, Phyridean, did not want herself scanned when she was alive. Please respect her word and see to your duty as Amarr not to take it upon yourself to violate her privacy, as Matshi Raish did.
Can you give us your guarantee that no scans will be made without explicit approval from her family and the Chamberlain? There is an unmistakable element of deception, as employed by the SoCT, that haunts your hunt for knowledge in this matter. See the responses of your own colleagues. Would you please dispel these concerns by agreeing to operate strictly under the auspices of Amarr Law?
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7560
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:52:23 -
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To be frank, I'll admit to thinking Goldfinch's demands that we do not so much as verify the identity of the corpse is extreme and unreasonable.
However, to Ashterothi and Phyridian both, I advise this: you must dispense with any notion of scientific inquiry in this case. Our objective must be recovery of her remains, verification that the remains are the Empress's, and then return of those remains to the Empire for interment.
The likelihood that her remains will teach us anything new about the Drifter threat is so low as to be nonexistent, and the insult to the faithful would be considerable.
Frankly, it's not worth doing anything more than verifying that, indeed, the Empress's remains have been recovered.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
284
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:59:57 -
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Goldfinch wrote:Ashterothi wrote:due diligence Makoto Priano wrote:And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain? Again, with all due respect neither of you are Amarr, and not of the Faith. We generally respect your opinions, but in the matter of the Amarr Empress, we don't think Gallentean and State interest parties should have the first and absolute say in what is invasive and isn't. It is troubling to see no reverence or mutual respect for our beliefs. We would never personally insist on doing the same to you or your head of state in a similar situation. It is undiplomatic and disrespectful to insist on inspecting the Empress's remains. That your motives are benevolent is not the point. You are not her family. You are not a representative of the theocratic government of Amarr. We are surprised there is no ethical tenet for privacy within the bounds of your scientific operation. Do you not consider privacy to be a part of your ethical obligations? Does your "due diligence" require you to roll roughshod over any concerns of privacy and personal sanctity?
So that you are aware I grew up True Amarr loyal to the Theology Council. I attended the Empress' funeral and paid my respect to the late Empress.
While I may not hold the faith anymore, the gravity of the situation is far from lost on me.
My college Phyridian is Ni Kunni. He and I have discussed this matter at length and are very interested in preserving the dignity of the situation as much as possible. Ultimately we believe this to be the best of a bad situation. I am sorry if you disagree. If you offer an alternative I would be happy to entertain it.
While I understand this is a very stressful and emotional time for us all, please do not descend into libel.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1437
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:01:13 -
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Ashterothi wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll. But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute..... On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space. If SoCT is interested in her, so am I. In all reality, we have already seen counterfeit bodies appear. Proper identification of the body is important before we can return it. Wasn't the SOCK scanning the ship for data? We should be after the wreck of the titan.......... Did anyone think to pop an Entosis link on the thing?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
284
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:01:20 -
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Amalla Galltera wrote:Whoever has it's corpse should dispose of it immediately, in the most brutal way possible. Preferably by giving it to the Circadian Sleepers to have fun experimenting on the evil *****.
This kind of sentiment is why we feel that securing her remains quickly, verifying the identity, and handing her off to the faithful is our highest priority.
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