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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:38:12 -
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OMG, WOW is dying !!1!11
sauce: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/08/05/world-of-warcraft-has-lost-44-of-its-subscribers-in-six-months-but-thats-okay/
The good news for EvE is: Goons are stepping in and creating content by losing a Titan in Deklein.
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2304
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:59:15 -
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Cancer creates content too, for instance, you'll need chemo and expensive drugs that you didn't need before. See .. content!
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
71
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Posted - 2015.08.26 21:18:16 -
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Sandpark is the solution imo. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1629
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Posted - 2015.08.26 21:23:02 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:
The system needs to be designed to accommodate how players are known to behave. Anything else is destined to fail.
Good quote. I think I'll link it every time you go on one of your 'force them out of high sec' rants. Mr Epeen
Everyone else must ~adapt~
Not me.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2015.08.26 21:54:43 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:
The system needs to be designed to accommodate how players are known to behave. Anything else is destined to fail.
Good quote. I think I'll link it every time you go on one of your 'force them out of high sec' rants. Mr Epeen Everyone else must ~adapt~ to the game. The game should ~adapt~ itself to me.
No, all players should adapt to the game.
Continually trying to adapt to the players is what generally ruins games over time. |
Astral Azizora
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.26 23:44:10 -
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Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. |
Dave Stark
7545
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Posted - 2015.08.27 00:35:37 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up.
You can't make 40 mil per day?
Really? |
James Cannon Fodder
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.27 00:39:07 -
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The elephant in the room that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that... probably.... when you saw lots of people online a few months ago all the time - those were bots.
CCP outlawed bot mining. It should not be a surprise to see average online numbers go down. Now what you are seeing is real, organic, human behavior. You're seeing the number of people who are actually at their computer.
As far as lost subscriptions, I remember last October listening to my Alliance talk on VOX, and a lot of them were mad about the changes to jump freigthers. They had spent literally years setting up their operation in a small corner of null sec, and now because it was too far from Highsec to jump their goods to and from Jita without incurring too much "jump fatigue", their operation was no longer profitable. They had to tear down the whole thing. They had station set up and everything, which apparently took them years to achieve.
It's a difficult balance trying to get new players without losing the old ones, but it's important to remember that the old players are part of what attracts the new players. I totally miss that alliance. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13194
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Posted - 2015.08.27 01:28:58 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2274
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:35:42 -
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James Cannon Fodder wrote:The elephant in the room that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that... probably.... when you saw lots of people online a few months ago all the time - those were bots. CCP outlawed bot mining. ... Steady decline before that and unlimited skill queue
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1255
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Posted - 2015.08.27 05:27:59 -
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Tippia wrote:Djiana Lenar wrote:Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.
Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful? It's been tried; it doesn't work. It also doesn't address the problem you describe.
Tippia must be right, she tries to understand the game for years... by posting on the forum
SpaceJunkys on YouTube - Harry Forever on the Forums
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Starbuck05
Scope Works
300
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:43:00 -
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Ding ding ding ! New content ideea.
Working on the premise that 1of the above posters " can't quote properly from phone " said he logged on and tthere was just 1 other person online .
Say you log in ..and there's just one other guy... Now , go find him! Without using map/locator agents.. That should waste about a days worth of time.
-á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir !
-á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1449
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:49:48 -
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James Cannon Fodder wrote:
It's a difficult balance trying to get new players without losing the old ones, but it's important to remember that the old players are part of what attracts the new players. I totally miss that alliance.
The contribution of long term vets in terms of things like assistance to new players, grinding the boring administrative stuff of a clan/alliance and even creating online out of game tools for free does seem overlooked in many games.
The classic example of this is Hasbro/Wizards with D&D 4th Edition. They were quite happy to abandon their old player base entirely in favor of churning early teens with money to spend thinking it would be more profitable. It wasn't.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25763
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:25:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Tippia must be right Yup. Largely because I was around when it was (unsuccessfully) attempted and because I've actually taken the time to look into what SP does and does not give you at an early stage.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
325
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:43:31 -
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Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you?
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8727
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:48:03 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really?
I heard that some time before but it was 20 mil.
Maybe you should start to change the argument.
Example: Can't you make 15 $ per day?
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Astral Azizora
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:28:02 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really?
Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.
Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Two forum cliches in one short post, well done |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
332
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:57:09 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really? Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem. Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Two forum cliches in one short post, well done
Only takes 2 - 3 days in HS to make enough isk for a plex. Message me in game and I'll show you.
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Delightful Delicacy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.08.27 09:00:55 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you?
Christ, only 30 plex? That's hardly anything if you live in most western countries. That's like less than 300 GBP per month.
I could buy 200+ plex with my monthly salary |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8745
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Posted - 2015.08.27 09:57:55 -
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Delightful Delicacy wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you? Christ, only 30 plex? That's hardly anything if you live in most western countries. That's like less than 300 GBP per month. I could buy 200+ plex with my monthly salary Buy some PLEX and get it on market.
You will have a lot of ISK.
There are people that play this game from 2008 and they live in a country where you could get an average pay of just 300 GBP per month. Not all the world is England or USA.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
319
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:13:49 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:
The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.
but you're playing since 2013 at least, and you can't make 1 billion within 30 days?
accept the help the guy above offered,, you need it.
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
472
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:34:30 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:If you think the onus is on the players to alter their behavior so the sov system works, you're an idiot.
The system needs to be designed to accommodate how players are known to behave. Anything else is destined to fail.
Even when that behaviour is sucking the life out of the game?
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13255
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:47:02 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Webvan wrote:I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you? I think you need a raise, bro, or you did the maths wrong I'm guessing. People that receive food stamps here get more than that I don't get paid by a monthly salary, I contract my work, don't get paid til the jobs done. But a year sub comes rather easily. People are going to have a hard time with it when PLEX hits say 1.3b this year, or more, likely more, even though they could easily just pay a sub/s but just refuse to out of some sort of entitlement.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:03:10 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem.
I think it's awesome I can spend a tiny amount and get a ton of isk. Why not just pay for your account, they are not expensive. |
Astral Azizora
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:15:55 -
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Odie McCracken wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem. I think it's awesome I can spend a tiny amount and get a ton of isk. Why not just pay for your account, they are not expensive.
I already pay for one account, I'm not paying for two. EVE isn't worth nearly -ú20 a month. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:29:07 -
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Astral Azizora wrote:Odie McCracken wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Previously my activities were enough to pay for a PLEX on one of my accounts. The rising cost has now made the purchase of PLEX with ISK untenable for me, as it has for many others. If you think this isn't a problem for the game, then you are part of the problem. I think it's awesome I can spend a tiny amount and get a ton of isk. Why not just pay for your account, they are not expensive. I already pay for one account, I'm not paying for two. EVE isn't worth nearly -ú20 a month.
Ok that's all good. Why are you complaining then? |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
326
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:37:24 -
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Webvan wrote:Quote:Jeremiah Saken wrote: Webvan wrote: I spend more on one bottle of bourbon compared to a month of EVE. Well Mr. fresh forum alt, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I'm just curious, I can buy 30 PLEX for my monthly salary, how many can you? I think you need a raise, bro, or you did the maths wrong I'm guessing. People that receive food stamps here get more than that Straight I don't get paid by a monthly salary, I contract my work, don't get paid til the jobs done. But a year sub comes rather easily. People are going to have a hard time with it when PLEX hits say 1.3b this year, or more, likely more, even though they could easily just pay a sub/s but just refuse to out of some sort of entitlement. In fact it less than 30 PLEX, I round it a bit. For those who want to play there's always subscription ~ 15 euro/month. Don't fool ourselfs here, times when 2 week of mining in hisec could plex account are gone. We have superinflation here. I think 1,5/PLEX is not so distant scenario, 2 bil is more likely next border. There are not enough ISK sinks in game right now. Bottle of Jim Beam is about the same price as monthly subscription btw
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Hemat Amatin
Aurora Clandestine
12
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:38:35 -
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
472
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:55:18 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:The Chribba data shows that there was a general increase in gaming activity for most of the time period shown on the graph with a decline starting in the 2nd quarter or so in 2014 with one activity spike, after which the decline accelerated in all of 2015 to fall to levels equal to about the middle of 2007.
The question isnt, has there been a real decline in activity for most of 2014 and all of 2015 because clearly there has been a decline, the real question is why.
That would be shortly after the B-R battle and the end of the Halloween war wouldn't it?
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Salvos Rhoska
1272
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Posted - 2015.08.27 12:09:52 -
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I think the guy on 30PLEX/month might be talking about expendable income, or perhaps his student/social support budget. If not, I hope he manages IRL to find a more profitable job, as that is indeed very low for western standards of living, and I hope he can nonetheless play EVE alongside that, as a beloved, fun and affordable hobby. So many nights EVE has saved me from going out and killing my budget in bars...
But anyways, back on topic.
I figure the PLEX price is mostly an "issue" for players with many accounts/multitraining habits. It gets additively harder to PLEX past 1-2 accounts (in most of EVE activities anyways).
I think its still reasonable for most players, even with quite little time for gaming, to manage 1bil for 1 account, and 2bil for 2, if they are reasonably active ingame and commit atleast some bareable part of their limited gaming time to generating income.
On the positive side:
- Less multi-accounts leads to more player commitment to those fewer accounts. As in game entities, they become more prominent in the EVE universe. More "real", even in this virtual world, rather than just one faceless clone among many others. Its a kind of secondary and ephemeral value, that cant be converted to isk, but something that nonetheless always remains relevant in what is essentially a RPG. Consider it "culture", if you will. It doesnt pay out cash, but it enrichens the experience.
- More specialisation and getting better at doing the activities those specific characters do. Leading to streamlining, ingenuity and more creative solutions to doing those activities, thereby pushing the EVE envelope internally.
- Less multi-accounts lead to a stronger incentive for interaction with other players, for better shared profits in their endevours. It promotes more community, and arguably, more player sourced content.
Furthermore, CCP can, if necessary, reduce sub costs (especially on the bigger package deals as %) or introduce more frequent and/or differing sub special offers, so as to retain more segments of the player population, with their varying payment proclivities. Anything is possible in this regard, while still making profit (and hopefully more) for CCP.
Multitraining in particular, has the potential for reduced/seasonal cost (as it sits in an optimum position between RLM/PLEX alongside the limitations of only one pilot in space from that account at a time), and finding a sweet spot for a subbing player with nominally one account, to still feel he is getting some good bang for his buck, even though he either doesnt have time to earn isk for PLEX, or his ingame activities inherently involve very little profit.
Industry and trader players, in particular, would be very drawn to this, as many of their characters are very located and static, housed on one account, and can be cycled through in that players limited gaming time. I also would be encouraged to start a PI/production/research/trader account with multiple characters inorder to explore this (extremely complicated and daunting) side of the game, if multitraining options were incentivized by costs (Idea just occured to me, so I havent checked the current costs, and have never multitrained yet, so just a suggestion).
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