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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.12.14 10:15:40 -
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6955
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Posted - 2015.12.14 11:20:51 -
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Yet another attack rather than an on-topic response. Well done.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
79
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Posted - 2015.12.14 13:46:43 -
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Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
Removed some post and those referring to them for the above reason. Please keep it civil or this thread will be closed.
ISD Max Trix
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
525
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:02:32 -
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Surely we can pump this thing up to 3,000! Let's put those brains together and see if we can come up with a hemisphere!
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:26:58 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Surely we can pump this thing up to 3,000! Let's put those brains together and see if we can come up with a hemisphere! I rather have one good posts that solves all the problem than 3000 trying to solve a problem, which leads to finding out that it didn't solve the problem while the same problem was then caused to be more problematic.
Now, let's verify a few factors.
1st. Is the Decline in numbers a problem?
2nd. Is the starting to turn into RAPID effect normal given the circumstances or to be expected.
3rd. What are the best solutions.
4th. How to implement those solutions, or, how to actually solve the potential problem with one of those conditions or a combination of those solutions components...
As for the First point, Is the Decline in numbers a problem? I really do wonder, because as CCP mentioned (or pointed out) , the decline in numbers wasn't so much a decline in player numbers , but more of a decline in player accounts number being logged in .
Now, that may or may not include inactive accounts, as an inactive account doesn't have to be logged in to exist.
Also, there are many more variation related to the fact that certain numbers are declining.
To me, when I read this, I thought that the number that was declining was the number of logged in player accounts.
I remember when I started playing in 2012 that the average number was 33k or so, at least 29k . Some day, it went up to over 44k if I remember correctly.
Again, as for decline in number perhaps not being a potential problem or even, perhaps presenting an opportunity instead of simply not being a problem, or not presenting an opportunity, I again I'm not sure.
What if, say, those players were busy testing new waters for the EVE Online systems? How many players worked on the EVE Valkyrie project, or even the other one with the turret gunner? That may or may not account for a change in apparent displayed numbers.
Secondly, The turning into rapid effect. I would expect a certain amount of this to occur in any MMO. Of course that can be controlled to be modified but the players choice still has a lot to do in that control percentage.
I am pretty sure that the number of player accounts logged in is related to the decision of players to log in. They need to be able to acquire PLEx to get more game time (if they have the time for it), or get covered game time for it otherwise.
I remember one other MMO last days where the numbers were much lesser than this game... Of course, the life cycle of the system was already designed to end at that time though. So their decline in numbers was not to be interpreted in the same way due to some different factors involved.
I think those numbers were player made, and when the source of those numbers decide the change, the output can be directly related. It wasn't directly related in the sense that the numbers of players change, but the number of logged in player accounts was changed from the same source (at least partly so, since CCP keeps all rights in regards to their IP). |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
27610
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:38:51 -
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Hey Buzz!
You need to include banning of isboxing and MCT into your thinking as well. Some like to omit this for personal reasons.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1953
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:48:23 -
[2917] - Quote
As mentioned before, the drop in subscriber numbers will be reverted and PCU will rise above all our expectations once the new player wave hits because of the Awox and Hyperdunk nerf. So we should all calm down
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2015.12.14 15:49:59 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Hey Buzz!
You need to include banning of isboxing and MCT into your thinking as well. Some like to omit this for personal reasons. I didn't think about it, whether it was omitted or not. And perhaps less RMT too, which should be better in fact.
I never used isboxing although I saw videos on youtube or twitch of how it would work (perhaps on test servers , but still).
Also, I think the rapid effect is meant to be interpreted as ... (one more poster posted...) |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6956
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Posted - 2015.12.14 16:47:13 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:As mentioned before, the drop in subscriber numbers will be reverted and PCU will rise above all our expectations once the new player wave hits because of the Awox and Hyperdunk nerf. So we should all calm down Out of curiosity, how long are you going to remain butthurt over those changes?
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6956
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Posted - 2015.12.14 17:16:57 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Hey Buzz!
You need to include banning of isboxing and MCT into your thinking as well. Some like to omit this for personal reasons. According to the graphs CCP have given out on it, accounts per player have risen a tiny bit over time but mainly stayed the same. You would expect to see a heavy drop in that if ISBoxer and MCT made any impact there.
The real truth about ISBoxer is that very few multiboxers will have been affected by the change. Any multiboxer worth their salt manually controlled their characters for better efficiency anyway and worked out a long time back that EVE-O Preview does everything you need from a multiboxing support tool without the sub cost. The only people ISBoxer really mattered for were people with 50+ accounts of which I know of only 2.
The thing is, sure enough there are some explanations for the decline such as these (and "it's summer" which there's still people clinging on to) but there are plenty of signs that there's a real issue too which get ignored. I've never been one for burying my head in the sand and pretending problems don't exist.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2015.12.14 17:18:08 -
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Searching for PCU, I found, EVE Online smashes PCU record during anniversary celebrations
Peak Concurrent User(s)
... replacing 2011's record of 63,170 with a new figure of 65,303 players logged in simultaneously.
+ MCT , Multiple -Character Training , doesn't allow to have those characters logged in at the same time. Online one pilot per account can be logged in at the same time, Additionally, only one trial account can be logged in at any time , and not while an activated account is logged in.
Multiple Activated Accounts can be logged in at the same time, but there are hardware processing limitation.
Multi-boxing can help to lessen the strain on hardware requirement, however, then the strain on the internet connection bandwidth occurs.
[SWG didn't allow to automate player accounts, but it had a way to code for automated processes to manufacture items. I have never used those code, although that I could have tested them and programmed with them. This would have allowed me to literally make droid factories as well as pretty much all of the other 3 types of manufacturing (architectural buildings; domestic food, drink and clothes, and armor and ammo). There were other legal ways to create macros which would automate other functions of the game, I again only used 2 or 3 extremely simple one. The reason being, I wanted to test how much work I could do without those more automated systems.] |
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2015.12.14 20:32:24 -
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Decrease in numbers is a good thing and it makes me wring my hands with glee.
It's mostly because I hate most of the forum users and would like the game shut down for the sole reason of shutting down the forums.
But sadly the numbers have stabilized with the Steam sale so the end of the forums will have to wait.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1834
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Posted - 2015.12.14 22:44:53 -
[2923] - Quote
ISD Max Trix wrote:or this thread will be closed.
Please do.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6958
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Posted - 2015.12.15 08:17:41 -
[2924] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Decrease in numbers is a good thing and it makes me wring my hands with glee.
It's mostly because I hate most of the forum users and would like the game shut down for the sole reason of shutting down the forums.
But sadly the numbers have stabilized with the Steam sale so the end of the forums will have to wait. You say this while you are on the forum and obviously an active subscriber. Here's a thought, why don't you just leave? If I hated the game and the community that much I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Seay Prime
An My I N F A M O U S
28
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Posted - 2015.12.15 09:48:32 -
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Back in 2012, EvE was epic... Many players, many backstabs, many fights, lots of random stuff... Now it has become a mechanical game where everything has a single purpose and you just need to play according to that. Many MMO's have come out since 2011-12 and most of them are successful. Even though EvE is "THE" oldest and the most content developed mmo out there, there seems to me something wrong... Personally speeking, it's the players causing the backfire. EvE is a player driven sandbox and what this means is that it's economy is very similar to real life economy... What this means is taht there will ALWAYS be inflation and money grind. Just like our ordinary jobs where we work most of the day and have a few hours at night to enjoy ourselves. It is quite say to know that withing those happy hours that we get every day, we must almost, always grind for isk wheter to fund out pvp (fun) addiction or simply our carebear ship and item collection... In order to repair this destructive nature of eve which is simply an electronic video game (and nothing else) CCP must do auite a bit of an oevrhaul... If CCP is happy with its current numbers and declining trend then they simply won't do anythig or just try to fool players with meaningless content such as Operation Frostline or stuff like that... But EvE players are too intelligent for that. I haven't really come accross any eve player that is actually stupid enough not to see at least a few of these facts... So my suggestion would be (As I have stated in the years passed):
-1- To completely remove the PLEX concept of the game and make it like WOW so CCP can fund its company vaults without the pressure of players that constantly grind to play the game free of charge. In return make isk making easy that players will not have to grind more that one hour a day to make 5-10 bil a month. If they prefer grinding 2, 3, 4 or even more hours they'll simply be making 50 bil a month and this will produce bling ship warfare and more fun because players will not be afraid of loosing a 1 bil boat because they can simply make it in one day or a few hours. I am not saying that players can't make that money now, but what I am saying is that it is hard to make that money if you haven't been playing for quite a while and you don't have the required investment to do so. Or CCP can simply impose a Universal Income policy where everyone is granted a basic 3 bil/month as income and on top players will have to just work to earn more.
* In relation to the point stated in topic 1 above, the subscription prices can be an average of what other mmo's impose and players with multiple accounts get discounts for secondi third, fourth etc. accounts respectively. For example the basic subscription can be 20 USD/month and the second account will be 15, the third 10 etc...
* Any serious player who plays this game will not be bothered with paying money on a monthly basis since it is what they like and what they do many many hours per week. Instead, it will create a diverse community with plenty of cash to do whatever they want so the eve community will grow just like wow's or guild wars 2's.
* The payers and CCP will be releaved of 'FREE GAMERS' who plex multiple accounts every month and cause a constant rise in plex prices and just play a superb game that takes a lot of money to maintain.
Of course these issues that I have mentioned require a serious overhaul and CCP, I think, is not willing to take such risks even though I think the outcome will be epic!
Respecst to all Fly Dangerous o/ |
Evasive Shadow Assassin
Entropy VS Chaos
737
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Posted - 2015.12.15 13:20:17 -
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lol eve is dieing
kk :)
Then do summit about it, post on forums etc
But then your not are you?
You're just happy to ***** n whine
See me, to help ccp
im in the process of making a 50+ video series on eve for new players including documenting every high sec anom/signature, 30+ videos on things you do in eve n then ill document an entire mission series
see thats how u HELP a game
not run to the forums n ***** like a little girl
Don't forget to spread word about the EvE Online New Player Guide, 50+ videos and counting, let's get more and more players into this amazing game!
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Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S
1598
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Posted - 2015.12.15 14:31:40 -
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BUMP FOR LOCK
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2015.12.15 15:40:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Decrease in numbers is a good thing and it makes me wring my hands with glee.
It's mostly because I hate most of the forum users and would like the game shut down for the sole reason of shutting down the forums.
But sadly the numbers have stabilized with the Steam sale so the end of the forums will have to wait. You say this while you are on the forum and obviously an active subscriber. Here's a thought, why don't you just leave? If I hated the game and the community that much I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
The game is not that bad. Maybe not even the players in the game.
But the forum goers... Terrible. All of it.
Your reply reminds me why I post here though. If you would remember my conversations with Tippia, then... Hrm... If I said it. It would ruin it.
Suffice to say, I derived enjoyment from the fact you took the time to reply to my post.
Goody day.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6959
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Posted - 2015.12.15 15:41:32 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:The game is not that bad. Maybe not even the players in the game.
But the forum goers... Terrible. All of it.
Your reply reminds me why I post here though. If you would remember my conversations with Tippia, then... Hrm... If I said it. It would ruin it.
Suffice to say, I derived enjoyment from the fact you took the time to reply to my post.
Goody day.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
795
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:25:24 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:The game is not that bad. Maybe not even the players in the game.
But the forum goers... Terrible. All of it.
Your reply reminds me why I post here though. If you would remember my conversations with Tippia, then... Hrm... If I said it. It would ruin it.
Suffice to say, I derived enjoyment from the fact you took the time to reply to my post.
Goody day.
Like the French... I surrender.
This is my last and final post on these forums as my subscription runs out in a matter of hours. I will not be renewing, no one can have my stuff and I take my accounts out with me.
I asked CCP for content and they delivered. We have citadels coming, FAUX machines coming and a MJD destroyer that makes small gangs targets of crafty maneuvering by large numbers of opposing players with command destroyers.
I asked CCP for content, should have clarified I wanted it for something other than Null sec. But alas, Null is the hill they wish to die on, they can do it without me charging up it.
Good luck, and good night.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13162
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:41:51 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Decrease in numbers is a good thing and it makes me wring my hands with glee.
It's mostly because I hate most of the forum users and would like the game shut down for the sole reason of shutting down the forums.
But sadly the numbers have stabilized with the Steam sale so the end of the forums will have to wait. You say this while you are on the forum and obviously an active subscriber. Here's a thought, why don't you just leave? If I hated the game and the community that much I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
**Jenn aSide reads the above post, see's who posted it and struggles with self over keyboard before passing out**
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
153
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:47:32 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:The game is not that bad. Maybe not even the players in the game.
But the forum goers... Terrible. All of it.
Your reply reminds me why I post here though. If you would remember my conversations with Tippia, then... Hrm... If I said it. It would ruin it.
Suffice to say, I derived enjoyment from the fact you took the time to reply to my post.
Goody day. Like the French... I surrender. This is my last and final post on these forums as my subscription runs out in a matter of hours. I will not be renewing, no one can have my stuff and I take my accounts out with me. I asked CCP for content and they delivered. We have citadels coming, FAUX machines coming and a MJD destroyer that makes small gangs targets of crafty maneuvering by large numbers of opposing players with command destroyers. I asked CCP for content, should have clarified I wanted it for something other than Null sec. But alas, Null is the hill they wish to die on, they can do it without me charging up it. Good luck, and good night.
You unsub, I just subbed back again week ago. See, EVE not dying nor growing. All is well.
On serious note, MMO as genre is bit slow these days. EVE Online is not the only one that stalemate with subscribers. Even most popular mmo World of Warcraft has dropped from 10 million to 4 million in a single year. If you really want to know what really is dying, it is RTS genre. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13162
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:48:44 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:The game is not that bad. Maybe not even the players in the game.
But the forum goers... Terrible. All of it.
Your reply reminds me why I post here though. If you would remember my conversations with Tippia, then... Hrm... If I said it. It would ruin it.
Suffice to say, I derived enjoyment from the fact you took the time to reply to my post.
Goody day. Like the French... I surrender. This is my last and final post on these forums as my subscription runs out in a matter of hours. I will not be renewing, no one can have my stuff and I take my accounts out with me. I asked CCP for content and they delivered. We have citadels coming, FAUX machines coming and a MJD destroyer that makes small gangs targets of crafty maneuvering by large numbers of opposing players with command destroyers. I asked CCP for content, should have clarified I wanted it for something other than Null sec. But alas, Null is the hill they wish to die on, they can do it without me charging up it. Good luck, and good night.
BS, either you'll be back (despite my most fervent prayers to every deity i can think of including the Spaghetti one), or you'll never leave in the 1st place but refrain from posting on this Alt of yours.
And it will be for the same reason(s) as the others who have made a big huff about leaving they came back (two of whom are posting in this very thread). It will eat you up inside to think that you "lost" some kind of fight to people you don't like. And you'll play other games, and you'll realize (but won't admit) that they are all shallow, grindy nothingness compared to the forever-experience called EVE. So shallow that they won't even be worth arguing over, and you LOVE to argue over stuff.
Oh yes, you will come back (again, that is if you leave at all), but you will pretty much damn near hate yourself for it. And I'll still be here waiting for you, might even take a picture of myself with a knowing smirk on my face and mail it to you, just because.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6962
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:56:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Decrease in numbers is a good thing and it makes me wring my hands with glee.
It's mostly because I hate most of the forum users and would like the game shut down for the sole reason of shutting down the forums.
But sadly the numbers have stabilized with the Steam sale so the end of the forums will have to wait. You say this while you are on the forum and obviously an active subscriber. Here's a thought, why don't you just leave? If I hated the game and the community that much I'd be gone in a heartbeat. **Jenn aSide reads the above post, see's who posted it and struggles with self over keyboard before passing out** Why?
Ah yes, because you don't read posts and assume I hate everything when really there's simply a bunch of stuff I'd improve, which you disagree with.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13163
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:05:36 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Ah yes, because you don't read posts and assume I hate everything when really there's simply a bunch of stuff I'd improve, which you disagree with.
The truth is that you are barely one step removed from Tardbar when it comes to hatred of the community and forums (which you call 'toxic') and only slightly more removed when it comes to the actual game itself (which you think is somehow 'too easy' for the ...exact same people you think are toxic).
Don't pretend like you are an EVE cheerleader, you know you aren't, you know you called Elite more fun (as one example) and decried how EVE is so unfun you don't play it nearly as much as you did in the past. Hell, you just posted Quote:I dropped 12 accounts recently, hurry up.
You criticizing Tardbar for being just a little more harsh towards EVE than you are is highly hypocritical.
But hey, go on ahead thinking that It's just me and damn near everyone else you argue with mistaking who you really are, if that makes you feel better. |
Malbona Pomon
Petulant Luddite GmbH
12
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:11:24 -
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I tried to leave EVE twice, the first time I was gone for 3 years. It kept coming by giving me puppy eyes, in a bowl, so I came back. The second, time was gone almost a year. Now I am on the verge of my longest concurrent play time, have gotten ~30 people to come play, most have stayed, some have gone... but this game isn't for everyone. It is also not like anything else, other games don't love you back. They make you think they do, but in the end you are treated like everyone else.
So, love EvE, Don't and you get the couch in the garage. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6962
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:23:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The truth is that you are barely one step removed from Tardbar when it comes to hatred of the community and forums (which you call 'toxic') and only slightly more removed when it comes to the actual game itself (which you think is somehow 'too easy' for the ...exact same people you think are toxic). While the most vocal elements tend to be pretty toxic that's not even remotely close to the truth. I could go into it further, but you won't bother reading it and will undoubtedly be straight back to the same incorrect conclusion.
Jenn aSide wrote:Don't pretend like you are an EVE cheerleader, you know you aren't, you know you called Elite more fun (as one example) and decried how EVE is so unfun you don't play it nearly as much as you did in the past. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that there is only one level of fun and anything else I hate. I enjoy cycling quite a lot, but I enjoy swimming slightly more, so I guess I hate cycling. Is that how this works?
Jenn aSide wrote:Hell, you just posted "I dropped 12 accounts recently, hurry up." Yes, and the fact that I still have the ability to say that and I'm not saying on a different forum "I dropped 18 accounts recently" shows that I don't hate EVE.
Jenn aSide wrote:You criticizing Tardbar for being just a little more harsh towards EVE than you are is highly hypocritical. Not really. He's literally stating he wants the game to die to get rid of the community. I'm saying I want to see the game live on for many years and there's some serious choices and changes they'll have to make to do that. If you can't see the difference there then you are beyond help.
Jenn aSide wrote:But hey, go on ahead thinking that It's just me and damn near everyone else you argue with mistaking who you really are, if that makes you feel better. It you and a handful of others. Most people dislike me because I'm fairly opinionated (like many EVE players) and I don't back off when they stamp their feet and scream. You like to insult and attack people and hope that will make them back off so only your opinion gets heard, and what really threatens you is that I won't just shrink away because I couldn't give two ***** what some random on the internet thinks about me. I'll fight to the bitter end for what I believe is the right thing to do to keep this game enjoyable for as longs as I possibly can.
Anyway, I'm done discussing your feelings once again. Keep it on topic or sod off.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13163
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Posted - 2015.12.16 21:59:08 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Anyway, I'm done discussing your feelings once again. Keep it on topic or sod off.
We aren't discussing my 'feelings', we are discussing your hypocricy (along with your ability to project, lol "stomping of feet" when you have WAY more posts than I do).
IMO you're as much a hater as Tardbar is, as insane as I think people like that are (paying for a game they really don't like), at least he is being honest. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6970
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Posted - 2015.12.17 08:05:21 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:We aren't discussing my 'feelings', Yes we are, you're getting riled up and attacking me rather than the arguments again because for whatever reason you hate me.
I do not an will not ever care about your opinion.
Now hush and get back on topic.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
55
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Posted - 2015.12.17 08:40:02 -
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Why don't you both shut up.
You're both being tards and acting like an old married couple. |
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