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Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.25 22:40:39 -
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Hello fellow capsulers.
I'm up to dive into pvp and ofc scratching my hands to start with. But i was told i have to be patient and learn some skills upfront at least be able bite before die
My question is what was your experience whennyou started? How many times did you die before your first kill
Thank you! |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
143
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Posted - 2015.08.25 22:44:17 -
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Here's some thoughts on EVE PvP for Newbies, and some EWAR for Newbies ideas.
You can check out RvB or one of the newbie friendly corps from the major alliances, such as KarmaFleet.
You will die. So many, many times will you die. But you will learn, then you will die less and kill more.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Cyber SGB
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
113
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Posted - 2015.08.25 22:50:22 -
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The best thing to do is dive right in there and fight. There is no reason to wait. Start learning now and your sp will catch up.
It is the most fun activity in the game.
I write Kindle books. Visit my author page.
http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
1100
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:06:45 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:Hello fellow capsulers. I'm up to dive into pvp and ofc scratching my hands to start with. But i was told i have to be patient and learn some skills upfront at least be able bite before die My question is what was your experience whennyou started? How many times did you die before your first kill Thank you! It depends what you are hunting really. If you are going after haulers and PVE players you very well might score a few kills before your first loss. If you are going for fights with other PVPers expect a few losses before a win and expect a trend of mostly losses for the first while.
Skill wise there are some things more important than others. If you are going to PVP with frigates then skills that effect ship speed, the weapon type of your choosing and your choice of tank (shield/armour/hull) are generally most important. These skills transfer over well to most other ships you'll fly, particurly speed and tank skills, so they are a good starting point anyways. |
Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:13:41 -
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Thx for comments!
Yay a lot of stuff to catch up really, and i'm up to fair fights not to gank some peacefull industrialists. |
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
294
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:16:33 -
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You're gonna die. Even if you wait and get an expensive ship and lots of SP, you're still gonna die.
Only fly cheap ships and get used to losing them. Remember, ships are just ammunition. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1481
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:17:26 -
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we did a lot of in corp t1 frig pvp when I was a rookie, so my first kill was probably pretty early, we didn't post any of those mails, and it was before the current kill system so I can't look it up. The first kill I remember out of corp was me in a drake vs a moa. There seem to be a decent number of ways to get a kill. Using ewar is usually a good way to do it. AB TD scram kite ships look like a good option for fighting most turret ships. Also neuts are very strong vs some targets.
I'd also recommend watching more experienced players to learn how they get their kills. This vid shows a 17 day character getting some good kills. He also has a video with a new amarr character, and I've also seen some other similar vids a while ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k
@ChainsawPlankto
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Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:26:22 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:we did a lot of in corp t1 frig pvp when I was a rookie, so my first kill was probably pretty early, we didn't post any of those mails, and it was before the current kill system so I can't look it up. The first kill I remember out of corp was me in a drake vs a moa. There seem to be a decent number of ways to get a kill. Using ewar is usually a good way to do it. AB TD scram kite ships look like a good option for fighting most turret ships. Also neuts are very strong vs some targets. I'd also recommend watching more experienced players to learn how they get their kills. This vid shows a 17 day character getting some good kills. He also has a video with a new amarr character, and I've also seen some other similar vids a while ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k
You absolutelly right. T1 frigs are mys first and obvious approach
Vids, yeah, i like to watch those! Yesterday was watching Mr Hyde very exciting tbh. He only thing is at some fights he said no implants and links but his skill points level is still better vs newbie so he could squezee out of stuff he used more efficiency, right?
Of course i do understand the experience factor and sort of luck.
Still up to listen your stories which are might be hard to recall |
Cyber SGB
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
114
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:28:46 -
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This video is about the Atron, but I believe it is a good one to watch.
https://youtu.be/3vC-e89s32k
I write Kindle books. Visit my author page.
http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11430
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:38:57 -
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Better the Devil you know.
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Ovv Topik
Hoplite Brigade Hashashin Cartel
746
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Posted - 2015.08.25 23:54:29 -
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My first months solo PvP, I got 10 kills to 20 losses. The second month was 20/20. The third month: 45 kills to 25 losses.
I dont know if that is about par.
Stick to FW space, and novice FW plexes at first so you will only fight Frigs.
Stick to T1 Frigs while you get a feel for it.
Don't think flying bling ships like Worms and Garmurs mean you will win from the off. You wont.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1483
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Posted - 2015.08.26 00:36:26 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:You absolutelly right. T1 frigs are mys first and obvious approach Vids, yeah, i like to watch those! Yesterday was watching Mr Hyde very exciting tbh. He only thing is at some fights he said no implants and links but his skill points level is still better vs newbie so he could squezee out of stuff he used more efficiency, right? Of course i do understand the experience factor and sort of luck. Still up to listen your stories which are might be hard to recall
With the video I linked the character he used was on a trial account and under 20 days old. the character's name is "Please Nerf OGBs" you can search for him on zkillboard. Oh look he has an eveboard, you can see all the skills that he finished with http://eveboard.com/pilot/Please_Nerf_OGBs
I've seen some of Mr Hyde's videos very good love the sleipnir one.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
309
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Posted - 2015.08.26 00:43:55 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:My question is what was your experience whennyou started? How many times did you die before your first kill Thank you!
That was a long time ago for myself. EVE was basically like 15k peeps max and servers were normally running like 4k duders at once (I started in beta and returned in 2004 with a different toon). In USTZ that is. Basically it was pretty rare to actually see someone else outside of high security space. About 90% of my time was sitting on a gate in low security space waiting for someone to warp to my gate and kill them (when warping to 0KM on a gate did no exist yet).
Back then it is was pretty hard to die, if you were prepared for a fight. Since there was never really a gang roaming about ready to kill you. It was almost always 1v1s. Also having a cloaked ECM alt that was always standing by pretty much guarantees you a win. In short, the game for myself is a bit different, since I started the game before all "this". Whatever the game is considered now.
A side note, back then thorax's cruisers did like 1k DPS, maintained a good tank and were dirt cheap. RIP thorax. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
720
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:28:22 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote: i'm up to fair fights
Without getting into my normal diatribe on how Eve is different from other MMOs suffice it to say Eve is not a game about fair fights. It could be argued that there has never been a fully fair fight in the history of the game.
But semantics aside Eve is more about stacking the odds in your favor or trying to out cheat the other guy. The short version is that Eve is probably more about the meta game than the specific situational stuff.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24894
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:32:18 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:Thx for comments!
Yay a lot of stuff to catch up really, and i'm up to fair fights not to gank some peacefull industrialists. If you find yourself in a fair fight, either you or your opponent have screwed up.
The only "fair" fights are the ones that you win.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:33:27 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Emperor Furiosa wrote: i'm up to fair fights
Without getting into my normal diatribe on how Eve is different from other MMOs suffice it to say Eve is not a game about fair fights. It could be argued that there has never been a fully fair fight in the history of the game. But semantics aside Eve is more about stacking the odds in your favor or trying to out cheat the other guy. The short version is that Eve is probably more about the meta game than the specific situational stuff.
I see what you saying but... You did pull from the context, clarification is i got a gun he got a gun we could start fighting. I don't see of much fun to kill a hauler with cargo inside. You know what i'm talking about. Ofc i might be outnumbered at some point and i'm not a Clint Eastwood but... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11435
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:42:01 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Emperor Furiosa wrote: i'm up to fair fights
Without getting into my normal diatribe on how Eve is different from other MMOs suffice it to say Eve is not a game about fair fights. It could be argued that there has never been a fully fair fight in the history of the game. But semantics aside Eve is more about stacking the odds in your favor or trying to out cheat the other guy. The short version is that Eve is probably more about the meta game than the specific situational stuff. I see what you saying but... You did pull from the context, clarification is i got a gun he got a gun we could start fighting. I don't see of much fun to kill a hauler with cargo inside. You know what i'm talking about. Ofc i might be outnumbered at some point and i'm not a Clint Eastwood but... which gun you got is kindof a big deal though, you don't want to bring a sawnoff to a rifle party
Better the Devil you know.
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Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:45:06 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:which gun you got is kindof a big deal though, you don't want to bring a sawnoff to a rifle party
ahahahaha pretty much this
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1484
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:50:53 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:I don't see of much fun to kill a hauler with cargo inside.
all I'll say is I get a *big* smile on my face when I'm in jita selling the loot
@ChainsawPlankto
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4287
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:53:06 -
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I started pretty much my first day and got my first kill with another fellow newbie a week or two later I think. I died a lot. I got my first solo kill after about a month of play hanging around Amarr/Minmatar FW. If I can do it you can too. Just try and learn from every experience and supplement that with good advice, tips and guides. There are a lot of pvpers that post here in this subforum who can help you get started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc8VAy7gVA
This video covers 3 basic tactics. The gist is that range control is everything in EVE combat. Good luck out there, and fly dangerously.
o7
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
816
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:13:01 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:Thx for comments!
Yay a lot of stuff to catch up really, and i'm up to fair fights not to gank some peacefull industrialists.
Fair fights don't exist. The only time a fair fight happens is if both sides are bad at the game and even then it's not a fair fight because there is going to be an SP disparity or SP allocation difference due to different training programs.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
720
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:32:02 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote: I see what you saying but... You did pull from the context, clarification is i got a gun he got a gun we could start fighting. I don't see of much fun to kill a hauler with cargo inside. You know what i'm talking about. Ofc i might be outnumbered at some point and i'm not a Clint Eastwood but...
I pulled from context to put it in context : )
What I mean is I quoted only what my comment was in reference to so you could properly weigh my words.
I figured that you mean consentual and not fair but I felt the need to make the clarification since I know lots of people IRL that are into the heavily balanced and structured PvP in other games. Just pointing out that Eve is not Battlefield. If you are cool with that then welcome. |
Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.26 03:20:36 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Emperor Furiosa wrote: I see what you saying but... You did pull from the context, clarification is i got a gun he got a gun we could start fighting. I don't see of much fun to kill a hauler with cargo inside. You know what i'm talking about. Ofc i might be outnumbered at some point and i'm not a Clint Eastwood but...
I pulled from context to put it in context : ) What I mean is I quoted only what my comment was in reference to so you could properly weigh my words. I figured that you mean consentual and not fair but I felt the need to make the clarification since I know lots of people IRL that are into the heavily balanced and structured PvP in other games. Just pointing out that Eve is not Battlefield. If you are cool with that then welcome.
I see you. You right about it, i did use not the wrong but outdated terminilogy which is no longer related to EVE. I'm about to interface with people who shoot me back if i decided to shoot them. Or to meet with those who are in constant search of fights.
Should be good now. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13079
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Posted - 2015.08.26 03:26:29 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:Thx for comments!
Yay a lot of stuff to catch up really, and i'm up to fair fights not to gank some peacefull industrialists. Real advice, or trolly advice for a trolly poster no worries. Roll a new less-bizarre character and join up with Amarr or Caldari FW. Amarr or Caldari since they are ally and wont hurt your standings between them, though Caldari more active. If you are new, at least you can generally self-sufficient your own fleet w/o being a general ganker or bored at gate camps. Hook up with FW fleets from chat as they somewhat begin to trust you. Post respectably in forums if they investigate you from the surface.
I'm in it for the money
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