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Morey Morey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:23:11 -
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o/
How much can you ideally make ratting in 0.0 space? I have 4 toons and live in Angel space. When I dualbox Machariels with close to perfect skills I make about 30mil/isk each tick per toon. And when I triplebox Machariels I make about 25mil/isk each tick per toon. Income per tune reduces due to obvious reasons such as increased multi-tasking and increased number of travels to different sites. So triple boxing gives me about 225mil/h (ignoring loot/salvaging). Using the fourth toon for ratting seems rather illogical, given it is very difficult to efficiently control four rating toons manually without a third party multi-boxing tool such as ISBoxer.
I assume, theoretically speaking, by tripleboxing insanely fitted pirate BS such as Vindicator with +6% implants, 350mil isk/h might be possible. So, is that the best income someone can get from 0.0 space ratting? Is Smartbombing Battleship still a thing in the current ratting Meta? How much can you make multi-boxing them? Can they be used for any NPC race?
Last but not least, what the role of Fighter/Sentry carrier is in the current 0.0 ratting Meta? Can they outperform multi-boxing BSs in making ISK?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:59:36 -
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Morey Morey wrote:o/
How much can you ideally make ratting in 0.0 space? I have 4 toons and live in Angel space. When I dualbox Machariels with close to perfect skills I make about 30mil/isk each tick per toon. And when I triplebox Machariels I make about 25mil/isk each tick per toon. Income per tune reduces due to obvious reasons such as increased multi-tasking and increased number of travels to different sites. So triple boxing gives me about 225mil/h (ignoring loot/salvaging). Using the fourth toon for ratting seems rather illogical, given it is very difficult to efficiently control four rating toons manually without a third party multi-boxing tool such as ISBoxer.
I assume, theoretically speaking, by tripleboxing insanely fitted pirate BS such as Vindicator with +6% implants, 350mil isk/h might be possible. So, is that the best income someone can get from 0.0 space ratting? Is Smartbombing Battleship still a thing in the current ratting Meta? How much can you make multi-boxing them? Can they be used for any NPC race?
Last but not least, what the role of Fighter/Sentry carrier is in the current 0.0 ratting Meta? Can they outperform multi-boxing BSs in making ISK?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I know Rattlesnakes can get really high raw DPS and the amount of micro can be reduced by a LOT using gecko/sentry + FoF missiles, maybe allowing a 4th toon to rat? Use the new missile guidence comps or the low slot version and rigor rigs so you don't have to use target painters. Have the Snake orbit the gecko so the FoF missiles shoot whatever the gecko is shooting at (yes shamelessly stolen idea sue me). You might even not lose many volleys that way due to your distance to target. |
Fl4chz4ng3
Lost in shadow Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:35:32 -
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Use 4 drone boat (ishtar or gila), assist the drones for 3 of them to the "leader", use a target painter and orbit something at 20km with 100m afterburner on.
I don't know if you will have more isk than your 3 machs but it's really easy to manage.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:22:32 -
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There are several ways to use up to 4 characters to rat. But because of the limits of controlling them all + the original bounty system (contrast it with the Incursion system), you WILL experience diminishing gains the more characters you add.
The best I've used is 1 mach + 3 Cruise FoF Fleet Typhoons. I warp the Mach in at zero, then (having one fleet phoon pilot be squad leader) I fleet warp the phoons in at 70 km. Start FoF missiles on all 3, drop sentry drones and assign to the mach.
So the mach is doing it's own dps Plus 15 sentry drones worth. And the FoF missiles are coming in like this crazy alpha striking Hammer of Thor. It's pretty much damn near unbalanced how fast havens and sanctums die to this set up, and all I ever have to do is restart the FoF missiles once every 5 minutes (meaning once per site because a sanctum or haven dies in 7-8 minutes with this set up).
The glory of the set up is that you can totally ignore the fleet phoons and concentrate on using the mach (or ship of your choice), except again for restarting missiles after reload. If bad guys come in I can fleet warp out, or even stand and fight because a mach and 3 fleet phoons lay down some serious dps. |
FATIQUE SUCKS
mogul logul
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Posted - 2015.11.23 15:53:26 -
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the easiest way ive found on my main is to ishtar's, one of the ishtar's has a whore gun on 30 mill ticks in a haven or sanctum,im not complaining
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12999
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Posted - 2015.11.23 16:00:32 -
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FATIQUE SUCKS wrote:the easiest way ive found on my main is to ishtar's, one of the ishtar's has a whore gun on 30 mill ticks in a haven or sanctum,im not complaining
The good ting about this is that you can fight of people who come in to tackle you. 10-15 ishtar bonsued drones on a tackle ship is no damn joke lol. As said above though, the more you add the more diminished the returns are. Navy Vexors are a cheaper alternative btw.
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Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.24 16:37:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:There are several ways to use up to 4 characters to rat. But because of the limits of controlling them all + the original bounty system (contrast it with the Incursion system), you WILL experience diminishing gains the more characters you add.
The best I've used is 1 mach + 3 Cruise FoF Fleet Typhoons. I warp the Mach in at zero, then (having one fleet phoon pilot be squad leader) I fleet warp the phoons in at 70 km. Start FoF missiles on all 3, drop sentry drones and assign to the mach.
So the mach is doing it's own dps Plus 15 sentry drones worth. And the FoF missiles are coming in like this crazy alpha striking Hammer of Thor. It's pretty much damn near unbalanced how fast havens and sanctums die to this set up, and all I ever have to do is restart the FoF missiles once every 5 minutes (meaning once per site because a sanctum or haven dies in 7-8 minutes with this set up).
The glory of the set up is that you can totally ignore the fleet phoons and concentrate on using the mach (or ship of your choice), except again for restarting missiles after reload. If bad guys come in I can fleet warp out, or even stand and fight because a mach and 3 fleet phoons lay down some serious dps.
This strategy sounds amazing. But how about using three FoF rattlesnake instead of Fleet Typhoons. rattlesnake is dirt cheap now and can get 1000 dps with t1 FOF cruise missiles and sentries?
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13002
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Posted - 2015.11.24 17:29:08 -
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Angelina Smart wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There are several ways to use up to 4 characters to rat. But because of the limits of controlling them all + the original bounty system (contrast it with the Incursion system), you WILL experience diminishing gains the more characters you add.
The best I've used is 1 mach + 3 Cruise FoF Fleet Typhoons. I warp the Mach in at zero, then (having one fleet phoon pilot be squad leader) I fleet warp the phoons in at 70 km. Start FoF missiles on all 3, drop sentry drones and assign to the mach.
So the mach is doing it's own dps Plus 15 sentry drones worth. And the FoF missiles are coming in like this crazy alpha striking Hammer of Thor. It's pretty much damn near unbalanced how fast havens and sanctums die to this set up, and all I ever have to do is restart the FoF missiles once every 5 minutes (meaning once per site because a sanctum or haven dies in 7-8 minutes with this set up).
The glory of the set up is that you can totally ignore the fleet phoons and concentrate on using the mach (or ship of your choice), except again for restarting missiles after reload. If bad guys come in I can fleet warp out, or even stand and fight because a mach and 3 fleet phoons lay down some serious dps. This strategy sounds amazing. But how about using three FoF rattlesnake instead of Fleet Typhoons. rattlesnake is dirt cheap now and can get 1000 dps with t1 FOF cruise missiles and sentries?
This is just my personal experience, but for some reason the Rattlesnakes did not work as well. I could be they were locked into using therm or kin missiles (I lived in Blood Raider Space and Angel space, gurista/serpetis my be different). I don't know if maybe it was the fact that the bonuses go more towards the drones or not.
I just didn't get the same results from Mach+Snake using FoFs and Sentries than I did Mach+fleet phoon doing the same. don't really understand totally why.
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2015.11.25 15:07:37 -
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Oh please, there is no "advanced ratting strategy" in nullsec. You AFK havens in Ishtars. /thread. You make bank and even if you do get caught, Ishtars are cheap. If you happen to watch intel you don't get caught at all. |
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