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Avio Yaken
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:40:57 -
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Hi..I'm not the best at this "serious discussion" stuff on the IGS but...I'm willing to try..
Ladies and gentlemen, the Drifters have proven themselves as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, currently the fight in Khanid space is going horribly for the Kingdom as control over the constellation has not budged...Well..they managed to claim 5% of the constellation before losing it to the drifters as of this morning...
As a mercenary its rather hypocritical of me to ask for some kind of cease fire between factions, but this threat is obviously nothing we have ever faced before.
I ask if it would be possible if the four empires would be willing to stop tossing more and more resources at theses pointless war-zones against each other and perhaps have a temporary truce to deal with this devastating force before it gets out of hand..THEN we can go back to killing each other
If the drifters mange to take out the largest nation in the entire clusters...Whats to say the State might last on its own..or the Republic..Or even the Federation...Alone we can lethal sure..But as a team we can dominate this foe quickly
Years ago the empires combined forces in order to fight off Sansha's nation. Why can't we do that again here and now against a more pressing enemy that can very well threaten the entirety of the cluster more than the Nation ever could..
And i don't think i need to remind you of the Empress....How she was obliterated in a matter of seconds in the HQ of the same Amarr Navy thats suppose to be fighting back theses damn things, they are not mindless drones, they are adaptive and resourceful and have tech that is far superior to our own.
We don't have to be friends forever..Just a temporary truce to deal with this cancer that we can quickly remove before it becomes fatal.
I fought at Sarum prime during that rally...I lost people close to me that day, i witnessed their power firsthand and I'm willing to not fight in this war as a mercenary, but a soldier to stop this madness
Besides...i can't even be a mercenary if the Drifters wipe everyone out...
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
614
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:58:59 -
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Having had a good, up-close tactical view of what we're facing, I think this is a subject worthy of discussion.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Markus Error
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:16:44 -
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This does presume the Drifters simply haven't gotten to the other races yet... which is entirely reasonable.
Unfortunately, while the empires have made display of solidarity before in this manner - to wipe the floor with the original Sansha's Nation - they seem to be too busy fighting amongst themselves and arguing about things to agree on anything except the most trivial of matters.
No, I feel if anyone is going to actually fight the Drifters, it'll be the Amarr and any capsuleer who cares to throw their hat in that particular ring. I'm holding onto a faint hope the empires will clue the hell in, but seems they won't.
Hey.
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Avio Yaken
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2122
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:28:09 -
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Markus Error wrote:This does presume the Drifters simply haven't gotten to the other races yet... which is entirely reasonable.
Unfortunately, while the empires have made display of solidarity before in this manner - to wipe the floor with the original Sansha's Nation - they seem to be too busy fighting amongst themselves and arguing about things to agree on anything except the most trivial of matters.
No, I feel if anyone is going to actually fight the Drifters, it'll be the Amarr and any capsuleer who cares to throw their hat in that particular ring. I'm holding onto a faint hope the empires will clue the hell in, but seems they won't.
i refuse to believe we can't just have one temporary truce..even if its just for a day..i know its possible...
Again we don't all have to have a long lasting truce...Just one so we can allocate resources on the same problem before it becomes a threat we cannot topple
Then we can go back to the fighting between ourselfs.Hell..i want that still! my job is to profit off that..As sicking as that sounds to some...But we risk to lose everything unless we work together...Currently we don't have the best odds..but there is nothing from stopping us in improving those odds..Yeah..maybe a fragile alliance is not the best thing..But it might be our only way to fight back the Drifters
My opinion....
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
253
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:45:27 -
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If the Amarr Empire wishes to survive the price for Tribal intervention should be as follows:
1) Independance for the Ammatar people's and territory from the Empire. If that tribe wishes to maintain an alliance with the Empire on their own terms then that is their rightful business.
2) Immediate emancipation of all Minmatar and their descendants.
3) An outlawing of enslavement of any member of a Minmatar Tribe. If they wish to spread their religion then let them use peaceful means only.
4) War reparations to be paid to each Tribe commensurate with the physical, emotional, mental, cultural and material damage done by the Empire to that Tribe. Diplomats and financial experts can figure out the fund involved and a long payback period would be tolerable.
5) The 24th IC to abandon sovereignty they hold in any traditional Minmatar Territory in the Metropolis/Heimatar regions. Also for the Empire to cease any further aggression in the warzone. In perpetuity.
6) The Empire will provide ships and equipment to the Tribes in order to assist against the Drifter Incursions. Each Tribe would also be paid to compensate for any Minmatar losses.
7) Following the next crowning of an Emperor/Empress each Royal House shall send its next Heir to the Republic as guests in order to provide surety for the agreed measures being met.
This is just a draft but tell me, does that sound reasonable for the aid of those The Empire has been trying to persecute and ahnilalate for centuries? |
Yockerbow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:56:05 -
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The Empires came together to fight Sansha because there was very good reason to believe that he was dangerous to them all. He was an equal opportunity enslaver and expanded on all fronts.Also, they had the Jove on their side as well. Today, it isn't clear whether the Jove tacitly approve of the Drifters or if the Directorate has in fact collapsed.
The Drifters so far have only attacked Amarr forces; outside scattered reports of police skirmishes they seem to have restricted themselves to scouting the other regions. Not only that, so far they seem to completely disregard planetary infrastructure, orbital colonies, etc.
As long as they restrict their aggression to capsuleer and Amarr Navy forces, it's unlikely the other 3 empires will unite to face them. The Republic won't assist the Empire unless either a) the Empire abolishes slavery unconditionally, or b) the Drifters begin enslaving baseline humans. The Republic will also do everything possible to keep the Federation from providing assistance. The Caldari may or may not assist, but the power vacuum left by the death of the Empress will make that less likely - no business likes to deal with you when they know you'll soon be Under New Management.
Unless the situation greatly changes (new weapon developments to close the technology gap, Jove showing up and helping, Amarr meeting Matari demands), the Amarr Empire is likely on its own for the forseeable future. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1485
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:21:55 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:If the Amarr Empire wishes to survive the price for Tribal intervention should be as follows:
1) Independance for the Ammatar people's and territory from the Empire. If that tribe wishes to maintain an alliance with the Empire on their own terms then that is their rightful business.
2) Immediate emancipation of all Minmatar and their descendants.
3) An outlawing of enslavement of any member of a Minmatar Tribe. If they wish to spread their religion then let them use peaceful means only.
4) War reparations to be paid to each Tribe commensurate with the physical, emotional, mental, cultural and material damage done by the Empire to that Tribe. Diplomats and financial experts can figure out the fund involved and a long payback period would be tolerable.
5) The 24th IC to abandon sovereignty they hold in any traditional Minmatar Territory in the Metropolis/Heimatar regions. Also for the Empire to cease any further aggression in the warzone. In perpetuity.
6) The Empire will provide ships and equipment to the Tribes in order to assist against the Drifter Incursions. Each Tribe would also be paid to compensate for any Minmatar losses.
7) Following the next crowning of an Emperor/Empress each Royal House shall send its next Heir to the Republic as guests in order to provide surety for the agreed measures being met.
This is just a draft but tell me, does that sound reasonable for the aid of those The Empire has been trying to persecute and ahnilalate for centuries? No.
It doesn't.
Respectfully, pilot, we're likely fighting the Sleepers. If that's true, we're all aggressors, and the Drifters have cleverly picked the most easily-isolated first target.
They'll probably come after each of us in turn. If I were them, I'd go for the Gallente, next-- the Caldari will be asking questions similar to yours, and the Minmatar Republic will likely be busy trying to get to surviving formerly-enslaved Matari before the pirate factions do.
Then the State.
You'll burn last. With all your kin. And there'll be no one left to help you. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:23:24 -
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Yockerbow wrote:He was an equal opportunity enslaver and expanded on all fronts.
Handily ignoring the fact that the Amarr have always had Nation beat in both enslavement and aggressive and militaristic expansion. Also that the majority of the slaves that Nation had were legally purchased from the Amarrian Empire in exchange for currency and technology. But wahey, whatever to make your point I suppose.
As far as the main thread here, I doubt it. The Amarr either have to have something worth offering, which they don't seem to. Or the Drifters have to pose a direct threat to the other big three, which they don't currently. Sure they are a general threat, but not to the point where the others are worried enough to really do something about it.
The Drifters seem to have a real, strong vendetta against the former Empress and her actions. They also seem to react strongly against that which they perceive as aggression. To both ends, they eliminated the former Empress and have responded to the Amarrian Declaration of War by funneling forces in to Amarrian space. There has been nothing shown to the Federation, State, and Republic that it's in their best interests to intervene. And even far less in the interest of empires outside of the Big Four.
Until you can offer up a reason why others should pitch in beyond speculation of "Maybe the Drifters will come after you next!", the Empire stands alone.
Come along, Avio. Come away from the Amarrians. Let them burn. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1485
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:34:11 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Until you can offer up a reason why others should pitch in beyond speculation of "Maybe the Drifters will come after you next!", the Empire stands alone.
Come along, Avio. Come away from the Amarrians. Let them burn.
Sure, it's speculation, Evi, but not without basis. We've been seeing Sleeper-type facilities and devices associated with Drifter activity. This has actually been the case for a while, but the pattern's continuing enough to make me kind of doubt it's coincidence.
If it's the Sleepers we're fighting ... any empire that produces capsuleers is quite likely their enemy.
Also, respectfully, Evi ... you're my corpmate and therefore comrade and all, but you're in this to help empire capsuleers kill each other.
Right?
Is there a reason we should believe you have any empire's best interests at heart?
Don't you want to see us all burn? |
Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
601
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:41:26 -
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Avio, it seems unlikely I'm afraid. |
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:47:31 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Is there a reason we should believe you have any empire's best interests at heart?
Don't you want to see us all burn?
I despise the governments. I have sympathy for the civilians caught under them. I consider myself aligned to the interests of an entity that has been at war with the empires for eight decades now.
Humanity will survive the Drfters. But if there is a god I shall pray to him that the empires do not. |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
381
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:56:31 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:The price for Tribal intervention should be as follows:
1) Independance for the Ammatar people's and territory from the Empire. If that tribe wishes to maintain an alliance with the Empire on their own terms then that is their rightful business.
2) Immediate emancipation of all Minmatar and their descendants.
3) An outlawing of enslavement of any member of a Minmatar Tribe. If they wish to spread their religion then let them use peaceful means only.
4) War reparations to be paid to each Tribe commensurate with the physical, emotional, mental, cultural and material damage done by the Empire to that Tribe. Diplomats and financial experts can figure out the fund involved and a long payback period would be tolerable.
5) The 24th IC to abandon sovereignty they hold in any traditional Minmatar Territory in the Metropolis/Heimatar regions. Also for the Empire to cease any further aggression in the warzone. In perpetuity.
6) The Empire will provide ships and equipment to the Tribes in order to assist against the Drifter Incursions. Each Tribe would also be paid to compensate for any Minmatar losses.
7) Following the next crowning of an Emperor/Empress each Royal House shall send its next Heir to the Republic as guests in order to provide surety for the agreed measures being met.
This is a price peace could be bought at. The Republic would reciprocate on point five and point six should be removed entirely.
This could end in a decade a war that has lasted for a thousand years with no bloodshed. It also seems too good to be true. God willing the next emperor will see the wisdom in peace as Empress Jayml did
-áFear The Tribes
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:20:42 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Is there a reason we should believe you have any empire's best interests at heart?
Don't you want to see us all burn? I despise the governments. I have sympathy for the civilians caught under them. I consider myself aligned to the interests of an entity that has been at war with the empires for eight decades now. Humanity will survive the Drfters. But if there is a god I shall pray to him that the empires do not.
Yeah. This.
Maybe we evolved past the need for "governments."
Someone mentioned the Jove? Notice how in the news when the Amarr Empress got aced, all the other "governments" sent words of support but there was no mention on the Jove. I think they got aced first.
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
785
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:23:26 -
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Perhaps we should cut our losses on the Empire and look towards unity between the Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente. Once that has happened then maybe the Empire would come along with peace. |
Skyweir Kinnison
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
44
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:26:52 -
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Anything is possible.
However, there are some impediments.
1. Amarr has not formally asked for aid. Until they do, I am unwilling to 'invade' their space.
2. Amarr already has a declared ally in the Calder State. Why aren't they helping, since the mechanisms are already in place? It appears that they haven't been asked.
3. Looney demands such as those advanced by Ms Vanis-Tor making it very politically difficult for Amarrian leaders to issue request for aid, since without an Emperor, many of their people might suspect collusion and compromise.
Only if it becomes clear that Amarr is losing the battle, will any of the above have any traction.
The other empires would do well to prepare themselves to defend their territory, research the Drifters further, and stand ready to help if the call ever comes. It's widely claimed that we are all in danger, but with no evidence at all that this is the case.
We should not be complacent, but neither should we be precipitate.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
561
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:26:57 -
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To be blunt, the Republic would have to request for us to assist the Amarr (getting that to happen is out of the hands of any capsuleer) before we do more then get a cup of coffee and watch the empire burn.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2205
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:34:02 -
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Peace between the empires existed for over a century. And that peace would still be surviving until today had it not been for the insane actions of Shakor and his self-styled Elders.
Even after they attacked Amarr, Empress Jamyl took the brave step of releasing an unprecedented number of slaves. Many of us hoped that this peace overture would have some effect on the Minmatars. But did the Shakorites even consider making overtures of their own? They did not.
Is a truce possible?
We Amarrians are a peace-loving people, but unfortunately the Republic is run by a bunch of psychopaths who revel in death and destruction.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1315
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:37:09 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Maybe we evolved past the need for "governments."
Sure. We kill one another for fun, sacrificing millions of baseliners a day across New Eden. We've clearly 'evolved' past the need for large organizations to control resources, protect the weakest members of society, and focus our collective efforts and will...
About as well as we've 'evolved' past the need for cellular respiration. |
Yockerbow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:41:21 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Yockerbow wrote:He was an equal opportunity enslaver and expanded on all fronts. Handily ignoring the fact that the Amarr have always had Nation beat in both enslavement and aggressive and militaristic expansion. Also that the majority of the slaves that Nation had were legally purchased from the Amarrian Empire in exchange for currency and technology. But wahey, whatever to make your point I suppose.
Don't mistake my comments on Sansha for approval of the Amarr. I actually have a certain respect for Sansha and his stated goals, at least in the original incarnation of his Nation. I was simply trying to contrast the first war against the Nation with the current Drifter situation. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5465
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:47:10 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:Anything is possible.
2. Amarr already has a declared ally in the Caldari State. Why aren't they helping, since the mechanisms are already in place? It appears that they haven't been asked.
The Alliance between the State and Empire refers to the state of affairs between the Empire, Federation, Republic and The State. It did not give the Empress carte blanche to drag us into any war she felt like starting without consulting us first. Any decision by The State to get involved at this point would follow the steps below:
1. Formal request by the Empire 2. CEP weighs up the costs and benefits of involvement 3. Decision to get involved or not announced 4. Outcome
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
562
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:50:24 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:We Amarrians are a peace-loving people, but unfortunately the Republic is run by a bunch of psychopaths who revel in death and destruction. Bullshit. Before I became a capsuleer I was a combat engineer. I watched your "peace loving" people glass entire towns, I saw slavers shoot women, children, and the elderly for trying to flee, and watched as my people were taken in chains and beaten even when they didn't resist. If this is your "peace" I'd prefer to have war.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Skyweir Kinnison
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
44
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:52:08 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Skyweir Kinnison wrote:Anything is possible.
2. Amarr already has a declared ally in the Caldari State. Why aren't they helping, since the mechanisms are already in place? It appears that they haven't been asked. The Alliance between the State and Empire refers to the state of affairs between the Empire, Federation, Republic and The State. It did not give the Empress carte blanche to drag us into any war she felt like starting without consulting us first. Any decision by The State to get involved at this point would follow the steps below: 1. Formal request by the Empire 2. CEP weighs up the costs and benefits of involvement 3. Decision to get involved or not announced 4. Outcome
Exactly what I thought.
So if Amarr wanted help, they have the mechanisms in place to approach the State with such a request - far more easily than approaching the Federation, and an order of magnitude easier than having to scrape to the Republic.
They don't appear to want help. Yet.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2205
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:52:30 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:We Amarrians are a peace-loving people, but unfortunately the Republic is run by a bunch of psychopaths who revel in death and destruction. Bullshit. Before I became a capsuleer I was a combat engineer. I watched your "peace loving" people glass entire towns, I saw slavers shoot women, children, and the elderly for trying to flee, and watched as my people were taken in chains and beaten even when they didn't resist. If this is your "peace" I'd prefer to have war.
I hardly think that the Aidonis committee would have honoured Emperor Heideran VII if what you say is true.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
383
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:54:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Peace between the empires existed for over a century. And that peace would still be surviving until today had it not been for the insane actions of Shakor and his self-styled Elders.
Even after they attacked Amarr, Empress Jamyl took the brave step of releasing an unprecedented number of slaves. Many of us hoped that this peace overture would have some effect on the Minmatars. But did the Shakorites even consider making overtures of their own? They did not.
Is a truce possible?
We Amarrians are a peace-loving people, but unfortunately the Republic is run by a bunch of psychopaths who revel in death and destruction.
Peace existed nine hundred and ninety eight years ago when a peace loving people brutally enslaved and worked to destroy another people who offended their idea that they alone were of god.
Says the abuser to who they abuse: "You make me do this to you."
-áFear The Tribes
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1486
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:54:13 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:They don't appear to want help. Yet. For the moment it does seem kind of personal. Killing the Empress probably guaranteed that in the short run.
Which, again, may have been the Drifters being clever. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1316
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:00:12 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:I hardly think that the Aidonis committee would have honoured Emperor Heideran VII if what you say is true.
Quote: Their only gripe is with the Amarrian society itself, such as practices of slavery and other breaches of human rights.
Slavers raiding Republic space might not be officially working for the Empire, but we all know that it isn't the Angels who have the largest slave markets. And that doesn't address raids into the Thukker territories in Great Wildlands.
So really, humanitarian awards for peace between the empires... they're wonderful and high-minded and we're all very sure they impress the mega-wealthy... but the oppressed would just as likely tell you where you can shove them. |
Skyweir Kinnison
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
44
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:07:51 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Skyweir Kinnison wrote:They don't appear to want help. Yet. For the moment it does seem kind of personal. Killing the Empress probably guaranteed that in the short run. Which, again, may have been the Drifters being clever.
Indeed. Any in many ways, I admire and applaud the Empire for its stance. If it proves possible for Amarr to defend herself from this threat, it is far preferable for them to do so. It would play well at home, and restore their sense of faith. Not so wonderful for the rest of us, as arrogant Amarrians high on victory are not noted for flexibility, but any government would want to avenge the murder of their leader themselves. Look at how crazy the Republic went when Midular was assasinated.
In addition, none of the stable and experienced governments will want to make the task of asking for help any harder. We all know how stiff-necked Amarr can be, and there should be no hint of making them beg should they be forced to seek aid.
Because if they get to that stage, we'll all know there is a very serious threat.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
562
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:20:47 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:We Amarrians are a peace-loving people, but unfortunately the Republic is run by a bunch of psychopaths who revel in death and destruction. Bullshit. Before I became a capsuleer I was a combat engineer. I watched your "peace loving" people glass entire towns, I saw slavers shoot women, children, and the elderly for trying to flee, and watched as my people were taken in chains and beaten even when they didn't resist. If this is your "peace" I'd prefer to have war. I hardly think that the Aidonis committee would have honoured Emperor Heideran VII if what you say is true. And yet, it is. And to this day it happens. Just because someone received an accolade doesn't mean that they deserve it.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Cain Aloga
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
119
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:45:52 -
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I believe that the Tribal Council's position on the drifters is that they do not represent a current threat to the Republic. No doubt they will continue to monitor the situation and adjust their position as changes.
With this in mind, I do not forsee the Republic coming to aide the Great Enemy, even should they request it. |
Ahman Nahrid
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
5
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:18:32 -
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Though I have but passing knowledge of the subject, I was made aware of the possible connection between the Drifters and the Sleepers, and that the Drifters have struck against the Empress and the Empire due to the perceived ransacking of Sleeper installations by Imperial agents. However, such was performed by Federal, State, Republic and independent parties as well - in time leading to the Tech 3 series of cruisers.
Under the assumption that there is indeed a direct relation between the Drifters and Sleepers, and that the Drifter aggression is a determined act of aggressive defense - or retribution - against further salvaging of Sleeper components, it is highly likely the Drifters ultimately intend to strike at Empire, Kingdom, Mandate, Federation, State and Republic alike.
As such, one must consider that it lies within the Drifters' strategy to isolate and eliminate major opposition one by one, by exploiting inherent vulnerabilities within and between each individual faction. The Empress was a figure of leadership that Greater Amarr ralied around, and her death now hampers overall defense why the succession is being conducted. Likewise, if acting upon the intended strategy of divide-and-conquer, the drifters shall indeed avoid profiling themselves as a threat to the Republic to further deter its involvement - and likely seek to exploit tribal divisions to their own advantage. Apply these methods to the Federation (whose President provides a public leader to the Gallente as the Empress did Greater Amarr) and the Caldari (whose megacorporations are by nature as competitive for limited resources as the Minmatar tribes).
A unified New Eden would present the Drifters with a force that is flexible and adaptive, bringing strengths and combat doctrines to the field that can compensate for the weaknesses of others. Yet isolated, the drifters are able to adapt and eliminate each faction piecemeal. Unlike us, the Drifters are unlikely to be internally divided.
Thus one must now weigh the cost of building and fighting within a Great Alliance at the risk the threat was only ever to Amarr, or the cost of passively observing at the risk the Drifters are indeed set on establishing dominance across the entire cluster - and to be eliminated one by one.
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