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Thomas Lot
Mechanical Engineers
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:31:05 -
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New drone boater here.
Looking at the compare tool for drones. It seems that the Faction drones are superior to Tech II drones, especially for the Sentry Drone variety. I realize that they are about 3x as expensive.
Is this really the case? Are the faction variety a better choice assuming similar skill level?
Cost is not that much of an issue as I am playing for the fun and not playing to try to pay for plex, so cost efficiency is not the biggest issue for me.
Thanks. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:34:23 -
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Thomas Lot wrote:New drone boater here.
Looking at the compare tool for drones. It seems that the Faction drones are superior to Tech II drones, especially for the Sentry Drone variety. I realize that they are about 3x as expensive.
Is this really the case? Are the faction variety a better choice assuming similar skill level?
Cost is not that much of an issue as I am playing for the fun and not playing to try to pay for plex, so cost efficiency is not the biggest issue for me.
Thanks. Did you take into account the racial done spec skills? |
Thomas Lot
Mechanical Engineers
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:37:50 -
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[/quote] Did you take into account the racial done spec skills?[/quote]
Yes. I am running guristas/pithi sites so the caldari drones are best with kinetic damage. I am just wanting to confirm what the compare tool is telling me. Believe it or not, I do not believe everything I see online. I would rather trust first-hand experience. Shocking, I know! |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:33:54 -
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'Augmented' Drones are the top drones, then I believe it is 'Integrated', then t2 for damage, Navy for survivability, then T1 for cost.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:54:47 -
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Base, no skills both the CN Warden and the Warden II have a damage mod of 1.4, 4s RoF, and 64 kinetic damage at 60+42. At all 5, CN Warden, which does not benefit from spec skills, gets a damage mod of 2.625 while the Warden II gets a damage mod of 2.887. They maintain equal ranges.
If damage is the sole consideration, T2 drones with the appropriate spec skill are better. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2015.08.27 17:39:26 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:'Augmented' Drones are the top drones, then I believe it is 'Integrated', then t2 for damage, Navy for survivability, then T1 for cost.
Damage goes 'Augmented' > T2 > Navy > 'Integrated' > T1. Which is to say, 'Integrated' drones are simply terribad and really don't have any uses that justify their cost. (Recall: 'Augmented' drones require the drone spec skill and thus benefit from it, while 'Integrated' don't.)
Of course there's a further caveat that 'Augmented' and 'Integrated' don't do pure damage types, which might be a niche consideration.
Survivability, interestingly, goes Navy > 'Augmented' > T2 > 'Integrated' > T1, so 'Integrated' still lose out there.
Tracking, because we're just comparing things now, goes Navy > 'Augmented' = T2 > 'Integrated' > T1.
Speed runs 'Augmented' > T2 = Navy > 'Integrated' > T1.
So yeah. 'Augmented' definitely have their advantages, but normally the choice would be between T2 or Navy depending on which stats you want to maximize (and understanding that Navy are more expensive than T2 but much less expensive than 'Augmented'). 'Integrated' are only a reasonable option if Navy is too expensive AND you don't have the skills to use T2. |
Thomas Lot
Mechanical Engineers
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:33:24 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:'Augmented' Drones are the top drones, then I believe it is 'Integrated', then t2 for damage, Navy for survivability, then T1 for cost. Damage goes 'Augmented' > T2 > Navy > 'Integrated' > T1. Which is to say, 'Integrated' drones are simply terribad and really don't have any uses that justify their cost. (Recall: 'Augmented' drones require the drone spec skill and thus benefit from it, while 'Integrated' don't.) Of course there's a further caveat that 'Augmented' and 'Integrated' don't do pure damage types, which might be a niche consideration. Survivability, interestingly, goes Navy > 'Augmented' > T2 > 'Integrated' > T1, so 'Integrated' still lose out there. Tracking, because we're just comparing things now, goes Navy > 'Augmented' = T2 > 'Integrated' > T1. Speed runs 'Augmented' > T2 = Navy > 'Integrated' > T1. So yeah. 'Augmented' definitely have their advantages, but normally the choice would be between T2 or Navy depending on which stats you want to maximize (and understanding that Navy are more expensive than T2 but much less expensive than 'Augmented'). 'Integrated' are only a reasonable option if Navy is too expensive AND you don't have the skills to use T2.
Very useful post/reply. Many thanks. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:46:18 -
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Worth noting that if you're blowing isk on drones geckos are essentially small assault frigates being fired out of your own ship
Better the Devil you know.
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2015.08.27 21:53:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Worth noting that if you're blowing isk on drones geckos are essentially small assault frigates being fired out of your own ship
+1
Gecko are awesome.
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.08.28 01:11:50 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:[quote=Omnathious Deninard] 'Integrated' drones are simply terribad and really don't have any uses that justify their cost.
their costs are generally very low. I was tempted to use some for throwaway drones on burner missions to get a tiny bit more damage than t1s. got lazy and never got around to buying them though.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
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Posted - 2015.08.28 03:20:51 -
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Agree that Geckos are great; but they're costing around 85-100m ISK atm. Thank god I stocked up before the price run up.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.08.28 07:43:13 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:Agree that Geckos are great; but they're costing around 85-100m ISK atm. Thank god I stocked up before the price run up.
I'm hoping CCP drop a BP for us or make them obtainable some other way in game...maybe drop from Mordus Angels belt rats.
Oderint Dum Metuant
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.08.28 07:52:16 -
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Aralieus wrote:Buoytender Bob wrote:Agree that Geckos are great; but they're costing around 85-100m ISK atm. Thank god I stocked up before the price run up. I'm hoping CCP drop a BP for us or make them obtainable some other way in game...maybe drop from Mordus Angels belt rats. They're Gurista drones so I figure they'd drop from Gurista rats. I hear they need a bit of a boost. Maybe LP store item? |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2015.08.28 22:05:18 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Aralieus wrote:Buoytender Bob wrote:Agree that Geckos are great; but they're costing around 85-100m ISK atm. Thank god I stocked up before the price run up. I'm hoping CCP drop a BP for us or make them obtainable some other way in game...maybe drop from Mordus Angels belt rats. They're Gurista drones so I figure they'd drop from Gurista rats. I hear they need a bit of a boost. Maybe LP store item?
Or even just a World Drop BPC.
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2015.08.29 13:35:23 -
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easiest way to decide
faction drones more tank
T2 drones more damage. |
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.31 11:26:10 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Worth noting that if you're blowing isk on drones geckos are essentially small assault frigates being fired out of your own ship
Also worth noting that geckos do rainbow damage and plenty of times a flight of regular drones appllying the right damage type serves you better than wasting half of your paper dps vs the strongest resistances. (PVE). In pvp people omni tank anyways so it is not that much of a deal. |
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