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Null Sec Protester
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:45:58 -
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Dear CCP,
If it was your intension to destroy all the Great Alliances in this game you're on a great path. The amount of recent changes have begun to compound on one another and as a result the ability to wage war itself has been nerfed.
Granted the stagnation before "Fozzie Sov" had to be addressed but the way its been handled is nothing if not heavy handed. Relegating us to small scale skirmishes based on Sov indexes where almost anyone Sov related or not (NPC Pilots for example) can fit an entosis link and suddenly become a minor threat feels more like punishment then anything else when you take into account the majestic fights and epic battles this game has made its meat and potatoes on for over what 10 years?
I honestly ask you not out of spite or a need to troll anyone but because of my true love for this game. Has there ever been a game created like Eve? Has not Eve's history been its primary form of advertising through the years? Have not those huge battles we've fought become the interest of several Gaming and News corporations producing both praise and further promotion? Has any of CCP's other game ideas been as successful and breath taking as Eve?
I know you guys want to produce more everyone who plays this game is rooting for you to do so. Here in our community you have a loyal base who'll try anything you guys produce but all I ask is that you go about the process of fixing Eve first.
Please remember that while I'm writing this. Whole Alliances who have histories stretching for years in the game are collapsing out of pure boredom.
So instead of just being someone who posts about how Eve is dying and then begs for CCP to fix this without making any suggestions at all, I'm gonna just make a few suggestions of my own and you guys and players alike can troll them to death.
SUGGESTED CHANGES:
Taking Sov: Throw away everything you've thought of before, station grinding and this new entosis system are simply elements of antiquated thinking. You wanted to make fundamental changes in the past, some to no effect, others ot a limiting degree and nows the time to make those changes work for you.
Sov should be taken by being able to fight it out in the stations. Instead of this entosis system being applied now. You replace it with a Hacking one that allows an attacking Alliance to gain access to a station where pilots can then dock, pull out their weapons and fight it out floor by floor. Until one alliance or the other has regained or gained control of the station itself.
Yes this will require walking in stations.
I know, you've tried to impliment it and made hugh (And I mean Donald Trump style "huge") "Huge" promises regarding it. Charriot races all types of stuff so here's what I'm suggesting as a starting point. Forget all of the extras right now, all of it, and just begin by creating the area itself where these battles will take place. Design the interior to the various stations and simply use that as your starting point.
All those other great ideas that you had for stations well those can come at a later date but for now this would be the one great thing that would both fundamentally change the game and also create a new and exciting aspect to Null Sec Sov wars that thousands if not more would want to take part in. Breathing new life into this game that would take it well into the next decade.
This change I'm suggesting isn't an easy one. I know its difficult but if you actually were able to make this happen it would give you the freedom, bring in the big bucks you need and supply you guys with the user base you would require to be able to produce and make successful what ever future games you wished to make.
Jump Fatigue: Time to get rid this system. This may have been created as an answer to how far an alliances holdings can extend but the whole concept goes against everything that made this game what it is. Its a fundamental change that has caused rampant stagnation and boredom. The fact of the matter is a simple one from my perspective. It takes a very long time to skill and quite a bit of real money to maintain your account while you train into some of those big shiny ships. Then to go about building them.
So to now make it more difficult to actually use them to travel in the ways they were always meant to be used is nothing short of a slap in the face to those who've trained into them and also to what Eve is about. The building of enpires.
II know everyone isn't going to aggree with what I'm saying here and I hope this at least may spring some degree of debate. All I really want to make clear is how much I love this game and hopefully make some type of impact that relates to a more successful outcome then the one we're dealing with right now.
Take care
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:47:14 -
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F&I is --->
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Rayne Soomer Evingod
The Merchant Marine's Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:48:01 -
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Oh please....another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2357
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:48:31 -
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Just make the quality of space dynamic. That will probably break everything that is currently in place and then you wont have to bother with sovlasers, you can just keep HP pools ^^ |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6722
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:52:17 -
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10/10 would definitely read again. Use WiS to fix sov! Best. Idea. Ever.
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Bellatrix Invicta
The Conference Elite CODE.
315
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:01:40 -
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grr gons hat gons
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12261
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:01:48 -
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I was going to read the OP, but then the irony of seeing a character named 'null sec' in a high sec noob corp made me pass out so i didn't get to read it.
To whatever idiot who rolled a new toon to make this post instead of just using the one you already had, STFU. Many of us have real issues with the way things are going and stupid stuff like what you are doing is counter productive, it just feeds the null sec haters more. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11493
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:02:52 -
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I knew, I just knew from the title that this would be exactly what it is.
Better the Devil you know.
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Romvex
Just The Tip... Short Bus Syndicate
526
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:03:43 -
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Just remove formal sov and alliances will control space by simply occupying it. I see no problems that could arise from this. |
Dersen Lowery
Scanners Live in Vain
1737
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:07:47 -
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Working as intended.
Also, post with your main.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
951
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:12:42 -
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So your solution is that because big hp pool structure grinds didn't work, and you feel the wand waving doesn't either, let's force everyone to play eve as an FPS? Um... Wow, I've seen stealth nerf cloak threads, and stealth butt income ones, but never a stealth buff Dust thread.
Sorry, but if I wanted to play an FPS, I would. There are ample ones on the market. I want to play EVE, so here I am. Please try not advocating a horrible idea that would force me to play an FPS.
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Null Sec Protester
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:13:42 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I was going to read the OP, but then the irony of seeing a character named 'null sec' in a high sec noob corp made me pass out so i didn't get to read it.
Well if you didn't get to read it and you're still comenting then how stupid are you? Anyone can troll and insult but one who does so without even reading the subject is somewhat dim witted to begin with. I would perfer the more educated troll to the one displayed here. Someone who's at least read the subject and trolls from a more educated view point.
Also the reason why I've created this particular Alt was to have the aninimity of posting said post without too much troll mail invading my current mail que. Thats all.
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Sonya Corvinus
Chickenhawk.
147
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:13:45 -
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If you quit because of this can I have stuffs? |
Null Sec Protester
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:31:40 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:So your solution is that because big hp pool structure grinds didn't work, and you feel the wand waving doesn't either, let's force everyone to play eve as an FPS? Um... Wow, I've seen stealth nerf cloak threads, and stealth butt income ones, but never a stealth buff Dust thread.
Sorry, but if I wanted to play an FPS, I would. There are ample ones on the market. I want to play EVE, so here I am. Please try not advocating a horrible idea that would force me to play an FPS.
True what I'm suggesting includes the element of an FPS system but I'm not suggesting that the current HP system be elemenated. Everything related to undocking from stations and fleet fights should remain the same but when it comes to the taking of systems the final battles should take place in the stations themselves. Obviously there will be some who perfer either the FPS or HP system and they will relegate themselves to those aspects but for most others it will combine the two.
Lets not forget the promises that were made in the past. Its not as if I'm coming totally out of left field with something totally new. This was a feature first offered by CCP itself which failed to materialize.
All I'm suggesting is that this concept now be considered again and implemented in a new way. Is it a big change up? Hell yeah, but its much better then whats going on right now and add a new element which is sorely needed.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12261
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:37:08 -
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Null Sec Protester wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I was going to read the OP, but then the irony of seeing a character named 'null sec' in a high sec noob corp made me pass out so i didn't get to read it. Well if you didn't get to read it and you're still comenting then how stupid are you? Anyone can troll and insult but one who does so without even reading the subject is somewhat dim witted to begin with. I would perfer the more educated troll to the one displayed here. Someone who's at least read the subject and trolls from a more educated view point. \
I just read it. It's still stupid. You[ve set the cause of null sec back 13 years, and the game is only 12 years old.
Quote: Also the reason why I've created this particular Alt was to have the aninimity of posting said post without too much troll mail invading my current mail que. Thats all.
That's just cowardice (and on a video game forum no less). It means you know how ignorant what you are saying is.
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Null Sec Protester
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:43:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Null Sec Protester wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I was going to read the OP, but then the irony of seeing a character named 'null sec' in a high sec noob corp made me pass out so i didn't get to read it. Well if you didn't get to read it and you're still comenting then how stupid are you? Anyone can troll and insult but one who does so without even reading the subject is somewhat dim witted to begin with. I would perfer the more educated troll to the one displayed here. Someone who's at least read the subject and trolls from a more educated view point. \ I just read it. It's still stupid. You[ve set the cause of null sec back 13 years, and the game is only 12 years old. Quote: Also the reason why I've created this particular Alt was to have the aninimity of posting said post without too much troll mail invading my current mail que. Thats all.
That's just cowardice (and on a video game forum no less). It means you know how ignorant what you are saying is.
Well at least you've read it now, eh?
I don't expect everyone to agree. In fact I'm hoping this at least inspires some real debate. Thank you for your incite. |
Sonya Corvinus
Chickenhawk.
147
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Posted - 2015.08.28 18:02:38 -
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Null Sec Protester wrote: Well at least you've read it now, eh?
I don't expect everyone to agree. In fact I'm hoping this at least inspires some real debate. Thank you for your incite.
If you are so risk averse you won't even post something like this with a character that logs into the game, maybe holding/defending sov isn't for you. |
Dersen Lowery
Scanners Live in Vain
1737
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Posted - 2015.08.28 18:06:16 -
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There's not much to debate about your stubborn refusal to adapt.
The ~huge battles~ were extremely rare and generally fought over errors. They made big splashes, but they were a great deal of extra work for CCP and they hardly retained any new players. They were not thrilling, either, because of the Time Dilation: I read of one Titan pilot in B-R who fell asleep on the battlefield after watching the game crawl along for the better part of a day, woke up 8 hours later, and found his ship still intact and on the field. The ability to teleport all over the map, which enabled many of them, was stifling k-space outside of high sec. Capital use is *up* since the jump rebalance, because people can field them without worrying that every capital power in the cluster will teleport over and flatten them five minutes later.
Not to mention that nullsec will never even approach any capacity for self-sufficiency as long as anyone anywhere can teleport down to Jita.
As to your complaint that large groups aren't having as much fun anymore: if the nonstop table-pounding and manifesto-writing from major alliance leadership pre-Aegis was to be believed, they weren't having much fun before, either. The large alliances are set up so that a handful of people have second jobs doing all the work, which masses of people who don't have any investment in or knowledge of the game log in when told to for instant content, like a wetware ISBoxer fleet. It's not a sustainable workload for the alliance enablers, it's not entertaining for anyone on the other side of the battlefield, and it's not good for EVE to have the game dominated by people who hardly even play it.
I've only seen one person complain about the action in the recent invasion of Providence, and they weren't on the Provi side. Everyone else seems to have had a blast.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Colman Dietmar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.08.28 18:18:53 -
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Best troll post to date.
Although completely merging EVE and DUST my not be an entirely terrible idea. |
Malt Zedong
WorldTradersGuild.Com
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Posted - 2015.08.28 18:24:00 -
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The idea of scrapping sov mechanics and leaving sov by power of occupying seems the best fit.
There will always be someone to complain about something that is made with the sole purpose of circumventing free play.
It would also solve many problems as any alliance uncapable of keeping ocupation would lose their space, so they would have to count on more members, more politics, and more diplomacy, leaving CCP out of programming chair-dance games for sov.
I agree that sov is a broken system, because its whole existance defies the principle that players drive EVE, so players should be the beacons of sovereignity.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7092
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Posted - 2015.08.28 18:37:18 -
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Translated:
Muh rental empire!
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8292
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Posted - 2015.08.28 19:29:18 -
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I cannot decide between the Carebear Tears Chablis, or the Nullbear Whine Merlot.
What do you think, Deidre?
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Null Sec Protester
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.28 20:16:03 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:There's not much to debate about your stubborn refusal to adapt.
The ~huge battles~ were extremely rare and generally fought over errors. They made big splashes, but they were a great deal of extra work for CCP and they hardly retained any new players. They were not thrilling, either, because of the Time Dilation: I read of one Titan pilot in B-R who fell asleep on the battlefield after watching the game crawl along for the better part of a day, woke up 8 hours later, and found his ship still intact and on the field. The ability to teleport all over the map, which enabled many of them, was stifling k-space outside of high sec. Capital use is *up* since the jump rebalance, because people can field them without worrying that every capital power in the cluster will teleport over and flatten them five minutes later.
Not to mention that nullsec will never even approach any capacity for self-sufficiency as long as anyone anywhere can teleport down to Jita.
As to your complaint that large groups aren't having as much fun anymore: if the nonstop table-pounding and manifesto-writing from major alliance leadership pre-Aegis was to be believed, they weren't having much fun before, either. The large alliances are set up so that a handful of people have second jobs doing all the work, which masses of people who don't have any investment in or knowledge of the game log in when told to for instant content, like a wetware ISBoxer fleet. It's not a sustainable workload for the alliance enablers, it's not entertaining for anyone on the other side of the battlefield, and it's not good for EVE to have the game dominated by people who hardly even play it.
I've only seen one person complain about the action in the recent invasion of Providence, and they weren't on the Provi side. Everyone else seems to have had a blast.
Well much of your argument actually supports what I'm trying to say here. Thanks for your comment. I've never been a fan for Isboxers so I'll refrain from comment there. The Provi deployment was a mini deployment and you can expect many more of those as time goes on. It was fun and a success venture but in the end campaigns such as those won't be able to maintain as much interest. The fact of the matter was that everyone in Null was starving for some action which was why the idea worked so well.
As far as your other complaints well I've just relegated myself to the two I've brought up and plan to wallow there for a while before I take on other discussions. Lord knows the trolling is quite entertaining if anything else.
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Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Blades of Grass
120
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Posted - 2015.08.28 20:56:00 -
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...this whole thread may be a troll....but I'll bite: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5546663#post5546663
I followed up with alot of other crap here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5573506#post5573506
...I do think alot of this is fantasyland thiking, but sure sounds like it would be fun, I see no reason not to mix the environments |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
isd community communications liaisons
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Posted - 2015.08.28 21:16:10 -
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Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
Closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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