Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1802
|
Posted - 2015.08.29 20:24:18 -
[1] - Quote
o/
I start running into bottlenecks with my industrial adventures. my slots are used, my haulers are busy and i have money laying around. training more builders or switching products isn't really feasible, i won't have the time to manage them.
i don't have the means to seed in low or null (i'm playing from a laptop with unreliable internet most of the time) but i could easily set up shop in highsec.
my goal ist NOT to start classic "trading" in smaller tradehubs, i want to start seeding a specific station in a mostly passive way. no 0.01 ISK games, no crazy margins, just a couple billion invested in a smaller station with stuff the locals need. ammo, drones, a couple of popular modules, some industrial hulls. Nothing too fancy.
i was wondering if any of you guys have any experience to share about that. i don't need any specifcs, just a more general idea. is it hard to establish seeding place ? what's a reasonable margin (i was thinking 20-30% above jita) ? Do's and Don'ts, stuff like that.
<3
-G |
Illegal Spokeswoman
Illegal Investments
9
|
Posted - 2015.08.30 01:03:42 -
[2] - Quote
Hello,
The first thing you need to consider is the location, this is the most important thing. Don't worry about the margins yet, those will come later.
'Go where the people are'. There is no point seeding a dead end system which never has any visitors. Depending on your available capital I would have several suggestions as to where to start seeding. As you mentioned you are looking to make isk passively without 0.01isk my best suggestion would be looking into mission hubs. They will still be busy with traders doing what you're doing but I have no doubt that you can leave items there and they will sell 'eventually', and you'll still make a nice margin.
Your second option if you have a bit more time/isk is inter-regional trading. Buying in one hub and selling in another. This is very competitive though and not a great idea do get into unless you have an efficient setup or lots of time to update orders. You can still try smaller trade hubs outside the main 5 but not sure on how good they will be as I have no experience with them.
There are a few things to get the juices flowing. If you want to ask me any questions I'm ingame in 'Illegal Investments' channel or through 'Illegal Clone 001'.
Happy trading, o7
II
Gÿà Illegal Investments Gÿà Banking Gÿà
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1802
|
Posted - 2015.08.30 02:16:27 -
[3] - Quote
i really don't want to go into classic tradehubs, i already have enough orders to 0.01-isk with my indy stuff.
instead of picking one with lots of NPC kills (or good agents), i thought about picking a system with reasonable traffic, maybe one that that connects several constellations.
i'm also not really interested into breaking into an existing market. i want to create a new one. For now, i'm looking to invest about 3-5b for a trial phase. |
goodlady Smith
Exit-Strategy Exit Strategy..
19
|
Posted - 2015.08.30 03:11:37 -
[4] - Quote
It's not a bad idea but understanding why the traffic is there is important too, if it's a route to a trade hub most people are not going to stop or check the market on the way.
Please like my posts it makes me feel better about the time I spend on the forums
|
Illegal Spokeswoman
Illegal Investments
10
|
Posted - 2015.08.30 09:54:53 -
[5] - Quote
If it's on the route to a trade hub then are market you are looking at might be the gankers.
They go through lots of ships. Find their home station and stick a few billion in there of stuff they use.
If it sells then bring more. Though I believe they having their own logistics that hauls from trade hubs so not sure how good this would be for you.
Still, cant hurt to try aye :)
Gÿà Illegal Investments Gÿà Banking Gÿà
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5303
|
Posted - 2015.08.30 23:22:43 -
[6] - Quote
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:If it's on the route to a trade hub then are market you are looking at might be the gankers.
They go through lots of ships. Find their home station and stick a few billion in there of stuff they use.
If it sells then bring more. Though I believe they having their own logistics that hauls from trade hubs so not sure how good this would be for you.
Still, cant hurt to try aye :)
I post some commonly used staples in Uedama for us on the market as a supplier of last resort, but the movement is slow. Prices kinda have to be high otherwise our opponents just buy them out.
Our logistical backbone is solid and Uedama is close to Jita anyway. (Plus moving stuff from Jita to Uedama is a bit safer for someone blue to both CODE. and Miniluv).
We can always use more hulls there, but the markups on them are pretty terrible. I'm actually considering setting up a production line for Talos hulls in the lowsec system next to Uedama (which has super, super low build indicies for some reason) but I've never got around to doing it (and I don't see this as a big moneymaker, more as a service to the alliance).
I've also experimented with seeding minor mission hubs (for a short term I ran the market for T2 drones in Apanake, which was profitable but not lucrative) and chasing incursions to sell stuff there (which was a total waste of time - only ammo and drones sold and even though the markup was considerable, the turnover wasn't enough to merit it).
The one success I've had with market seeding came from looking at an established minor hub (one of the systems with 0.25-1T in sell orders listed) and using my connections with one of the entities in the area to discover 'oh, these people love Assault Frigates'. So I imported ten billion ISK or so worth of AFs and sold them at hub price + 20%.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1802
|
Posted - 2015.08.31 00:35:14 -
[7] - Quote
i think i found the perfect place :)
sees a bunch of traffic for a bunch of reasons, well connected to low and highsec, far enough from the minor market hub in the region and badly seeded. time to pack a freighter or two :)
thanks for your ideas! |
Illegal Spokeswoman
Illegal Investments
11
|
Posted - 2015.08.31 09:24:53 -
[8] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:So I imported ten billion ISK or so worth of AFs and sold them at hub price + 20%.
Quite Interested to know how that went. Presumably you sold them all but was it quick or did it take some time. One of the reasons I CANT trade outside of the major hubs is the lack of viability. So much of my trade requires people to see my orders or a high turn over.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: thanks for your ideas!
No problem, (assuming my ideas helped too haha) let us know how you get on. Would be interested to hear about your experience seeding a minor hub.
II
Gÿà Illegal Investments Gÿà Banking Gÿà
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5310
|
Posted - 2015.08.31 13:31:25 -
[9] - Quote
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:So I imported ten billion ISK or so worth of AFs and sold them at hub price + 20%. Quite Interested to know how that went. Presumably you sold them all but was it quick or did it take some time. One of the reasons I CANT trade outside of the major hubs is the lack of viability. So much of my trade requires people to see my orders or a high turn over. Sabriz Adoudel wrote: thanks for your ideas! No problem, (assuming my ideas helped too haha) let us know how you get on. Would be interested to hear about your experience seeding a minor hub. II
I didn't move the 10b of AFs at once. More 2b today, 3b next week, 5b the week after.
They sold slowly but steadily.
I don't do it any more because the reward for effort was only just there.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1803
|
Posted - 2015.09.01 05:16:56 -
[10] - Quote
sooo, i sold my first 15 drones and a cloak yesterday :D
that brings my profit to about 500k isk/hr (of actual work).
not bad |
|
Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
38
|
Posted - 2015.09.02 13:01:59 -
[11] - Quote
Worth.
First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.
|
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
66
|
Posted - 2015.09.02 15:00:29 -
[12] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:sooo, i sold my first 15 drones and a cloak yesterday :D
that brings my profit to about 500k isk/hr (of actual work).
not bad
Which drones? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1804
|
Posted - 2015.09.02 16:37:44 -
[13] - Quote
5 of each t2 small ones except warriors. All to the same guy.
In the meantime, some more drones and some ammo sold |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
66
|
Posted - 2015.09.02 17:05:07 -
[14] - Quote
Should of gone geckos. Big returns on those things. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5314
|
Posted - 2015.09.02 23:49:52 -
[15] - Quote
Alexi Stokov wrote:Should of gone geckos. Big returns on those things.
I avoided that market except a small amount early on, considered the risk level (of a rerelease) unacceptably high.
If I'd gone into every market like that, I'd have made a killing on Geckos, and lost all of it and much more on CA3-4.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1804
|
Posted - 2015.09.03 01:40:34 -
[16] - Quote
same here. i don't really like speculation based on unsafe things. learned my lesson from capital cargo rigs. anyone want to buy some BPOs for them ? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1804
|
Posted - 2015.09.09 11:23:38 -
[17] - Quote
small status update:
i have started seeding in a second station which already has an established, but badly seeded market
Station 1 (2b invested) is still going slowly. i sell stuff for maybe 20m a day for 3-5 million in profit. not too bad considering the actual work involved. i quickly found another bottleneck here though. market slots. time to train wholesale V and Tycoon i guess.
Station 2 (4b invested) is going better. Sales are 50m per day for 5-10m in profit. This one also requires a bit more maintenance since stuff is stelling much faster. But i guess the involved work will reduce itself once i start understanding the market there a bit better and once i'll be able to actually judge how much of X i need to seed.
I also wonder about what's going to happen once the corporation currently seeding that station realizes they are no longer alone. They seem to replace market orders that run out, but they don't seem to undercut me. |
goodlady Smith
Exit-Strategy Exit Strategy..
31
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 01:01:59 -
[18] - Quote
Have you bought from them to determine who's feeding the market? A bit of research might determine who your competitors are... would be terrible if their pos was to melt or they became wardec'd...
Please like my posts it makes me feel better about the time I spend on the forums
Buy your drugs from: Charlinda Akheteru, AIA Pharmaceuticals
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5324
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 01:47:48 -
[19] - Quote
goodlady Smith wrote:Have you bought from them to determine who's feeding the market? A bit of research might determine who your competitors are... would be terrible if their pos was to melt or they became wardec'd...
If you lack the firepower to wardec them yourself but you have intel on their POS location, I'm sure that my alliance, or the Marmite Collective, or someone else (maybe RVB) might be able to arrange an accident.
You can write the cost off as a marketing expense.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1805
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 05:39:12 -
[20] - Quote
it's a 130 man corp that's actually active in pvp.
a wardec is not a good option |
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5325
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 06:16:43 -
[21] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:it's a 130 man corp that's actually active in pvp.
a wardec is not a good option
Just needs to be tackled a different way. You might not get the POS down but you can annoy the hell out of them.
Or bribe RVB to do it.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1805
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 06:27:10 -
[22] - Quote
no, i can't
they have had many wars in the last years, and none of them showed any significant results. the last one vs marmite had exactly 0 kills.
traderoute wardecs only help against people who can't handle them. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5325
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 06:32:43 -
[23] - Quote
Marmites aren't the right tool for every job.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 13:23:39 -
[24] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Marmites aren't the right tool for any job.
FTFY.
Interested Party (TM)
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5327
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 13:41:37 -
[25] - Quote
Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Marmites aren't the right tool for any job. FTFY.
Not true - if I want to disrupt an enemy's logistics and I know the enemy isn't competent enough to use neutral alts, Marmites are the best people in the game to hire.
Against non-stupid foes I'd look elsewhere.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
|
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1805
|
Posted - 2015.09.10 14:14:31 -
[26] - Quote
Exactly.
And if you want to disrupt the business of an experienced lowsec pvp corp, you probably do them a favor by paying someone to pvp with them.
The only thing you could do is pay code or someone similar to gank their neutral freighters in uedama. And they don't even have to use uedama (or niarja) if they buy in amarr (which is also closer to their operations) |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1807
|
Posted - 2015.09.14 17:03:08 -
[27] - Quote
Update:
Station A continues to be a slow mover. I'm pretty sure it's due to the market being incomplete. I definitely see potential though. I'm pretty sure I can turn this one into a micro hub by expanding my offers. Right now, I'm only selling the most basic supplies. I also considered changing my behavior here. From trying to seed pretty much everything in one place to seeding a basic package in every constellation in the region.
Station B is basically getting better every day. I'm sure I found a possible goldmine here. Still worried about the other guys though. Right now I'm moving about 100m per day here, with 1-2 new items brought in every day. I also hit my ordercap on that character. I changed the skill plan to train wholesale 5 to get into tycoon before finishing some indu skills I wanted to get done, and depending on how my indu stuff does over the next week, I'll invest a PLEX for dual training another seeder. I'm also watching these guys via watch list now to learn more about them. There seem to be 3 characters involved, one seeding ships, and 2 seeding all over the place. I wonder if they are alts of the same guy or if it's a corp thing. The same corp is also active in another region where most of their pvp stuff happens, but I'm not interested in seeding lowsec.
|
Zad Murrard
Vicis Inter Astrum
16
|
Posted - 2015.09.16 17:11:04 -
[28] - Quote
Better start working on those gdocs/excel skills.
Have done something similar in the past and it's 20 times less work with a proper sheet telling you exactly what the situation is. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1808
|
Posted - 2015.09.16 17:31:02 -
[29] - Quote
i'm using evernus. much better than what google could do |
Zad Murrard
Vicis Inter Astrum
16
|
Posted - 2015.09.16 19:39:11 -
[30] - Quote
Imo evernus is ok for looking at the overall picture & history.
For day to day restocking activities gdocs/excel wins if you really want to optimize the time spent on this activity.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |