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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:05:23 -
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They say it was Markee Dragon who got swatted but i did not see direct reference in the (poorly written) article.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
389
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:06:58 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:They say it was Markee Dragon who got swatted but i did not see direct reference in the (poorly written) article. If this is Eve, it's time to leave.
Attempted murder?
Really? No, man. Just, no.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11507
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:17:16 -
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"a dynamic new video game" ha.
edit:nice beard though mark.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:43:58 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:They say it was Markee Dragon who got swatted but i did not see direct reference in the (poorly written) article. If this is Eve, it's time to leave. Attempted murder? Really? No, man. Just, no.
So quick to dismiss... Is that out of guilt? Or are you displaying that usual ganker moral superiority? Get over yourself (or were you a Stockholm recruit they ganked first and you have to be this way even in OOP just to hide from your weak self?)
As a firearms instructor I saw years ago how military style operant conditioning for the police was going to get innocent people killed. Even unarmed ones. Heck even dogs in adjacent yards get shot now. Myself and many others tried to warn people about this. Nobody listened. Citizens who do not get operant conditioning (I call it "kill-bot training") have a remarkebly lower incidence of shooting people who are unarmed. In America you are more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist or even an armed robber.
Sending military "kill-bot" trained cops to somebody's home, on the premise of being an armed threat, is attempted murder. Not some prank. Not harmless smack. There is a reason why filing a false report like this is a felony.
If you opinion is wideley held in CODE. Then that would lend much to the opinions that many other players have about them. I guess "taking it into RL", something CODE. Claims to be against, is not so serious after all. Right? But then as usual the worst people always claim to be against the things they themselves do. Right?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:50:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:"a dynamic new video game" ha.
edit:nice beard though mark.
Yeah reporters seem like they all live under a rock and only come out to cover stories. The worst thing about big fleet battles where they say how much real money it costs is they are too clueless to make mention how the resource-ISK-grind-PLEX system works and they make it sound like we are all rich kids burning money while women and children starve do death next to our Bentley's in the driveway.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.30 01:59:18 -
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I had this happen to me once, by my sister No SWAT around here, but police swarmed with guns drawn, trying to break into the house. I was taking care of my mom fresh out of the hospital very very sick (I was the only one that would), she was tired and didn't feel like talking to my sister on the phone. Sister kept calling back from 120 miles away, my mom kept saying "I'm tired, I want to rest, call back later", 2 or 4 times, kept calling again and again and again and my mom just quit answering. She started calling my cell, my mom said just don't answer it, insisted.
Finally the police showed up like I mentioned, even ran down the front gate, doing damage to the gate, back door and window. "no officers, I'm not hurting my mom, my sister is a nut case". I was holding my mom hostage or something, I was hurting my mom and not letting my sister check on her to make sure she is ok Because my sister was too busy to actually be there to help, she had a couch to lay on to do nothing all day apart from soap operas to watch... in her soiled broken mind
Obviously whoever did that to Markus should be put into prison. That's even worse and imo attempted murder. Just gotta keep anonymous as the standard. I remember him back from early UO, I'm sure he knows the risks. The guy who did this to him may not even be an EVE player, could be a WoW player or anyone since Markee Dragon has been well known for a couple decades.
As for you quitting, don't be shy, takes little effort to get out. You've already mentioned in another thread about quitting. Either do it or don't. Since the FW Russians already broke all your stuff, I guess no point in asking for stuff. I don't think Markus will be quitting, he's an old-school mmo gamer, there is no "quit", though I'm sure he'll take more precautions after this.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.08.30 02:00:07 -
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Yeah, happens. Even in Australia, lol
Was telling corpmates just yesterday in fact about a friend of mine who had it done to him.
Was completely unrelated to a game/internet though and more to do with a personal fued in RL.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 03:45:47 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So quick to dismiss... Is that out of guilt? Or are you displaying that usual ganker moral superiority? Get over yourself (or were you a Stockholm recruit they ganked first and you have to be this way even in OOP just to hide from your weak self?)
You are seriously drawing a parallel between a unfortunate RL event and what a player alliance in a game about internet spaceships and spreadsheets does?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: As a firearms instructor I saw years ago how military style operant conditioning for the police was going to get innocent people killed. Even unarmed ones. Heck even dogs in adjacent yards get shot now. Myself and many others tried to warn people about this. Nobody listened. Citizens who do not get operant conditioning (I call it "kill-bot training") have a remarkebly lower incidence of shooting people who are unarmed. In America you are more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist or even an armed robber.
If it isn't the cops, it is definiately the food that gets you.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Sending military "kill-bot" trained cops to somebody's home, on the premise of being an armed threat, is attempted murder. Not some prank. Not harmless smack. There is a reason why filing a false report like this is a felony.
Try backing up and try making that a little coherent? Take your time, we can wait.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If you opinion is wideley held in CODE. Then that would lend much to the opinions that many other players have about them. I guess "taking it into RL", something CODE. Claims to be against, is not so serious after all. Right? But then as usual the worst people always claim to be against the things they themselves do. Right?
Do you have anyone that can take you to a professional? Judging from what I am reading right there, you struggle to differentiate between what is reality and what isn't.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7098
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Posted - 2015.08.30 05:51:44 -
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Alpheias wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So quick to dismiss... Is that out of guilt? Or are you displaying that usual ganker moral superiority? Get over yourself (or were you a Stockholm recruit they ganked first and you have to be this way even in OOP just to hide from your weak self?)
You are seriously drawing a parallel between a unfortunate RL event and what a player alliance in a game about internet spaceships and spreadsheets does? Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: As a firearms instructor I saw years ago how military style operant conditioning for the police was going to get innocent people killed. Even unarmed ones. Heck even dogs in adjacent yards get shot now. Myself and many others tried to warn people about this. Nobody listened. Citizens who do not get operant conditioning (I call it "kill-bot training") have a remarkebly lower incidence of shooting people who are unarmed. In America you are more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist or even an armed robber.
If it isn't the cops, it is definiately the food that gets you. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Sending military "kill-bot" trained cops to somebody's home, on the premise of being an armed threat, is attempted murder. Not some prank. Not harmless smack. There is a reason why filing a false report like this is a felony.
Try backing up and try making that a little coherent? Take your time, we can wait. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If you opinion is wideley held in CODE. Then that would lend much to the opinions that many other players have about them. I guess "taking it into RL", something CODE. Claims to be against, is not so serious after all. Right? But then as usual the worst people always claim to be against the things they themselves do. Right?
Do you have anyone that can take you to a professional? Judging from what I am reading right there, you struggle to differentiate between what is reality and what isn't.
Are you trying to defend SWATting? Why are you using the old soviet method of "you must be crazy" to debunk my points? Go ahead and defend murder by proxy and stop trying to gaslight the other readers this way. Tell me how and why SWATting is not a form of attempted murder. Or are you one of the people who do that sort of thing and fear too much attention to the seriousness of this act is going to cramp your PVP?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
478
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Posted - 2015.08.30 05:58:50 -
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I agree that it could get people killed.
Simply if the call has the person inside as a very real threat, and said person in confusion represents that threat, it could result in lethal force. There have been deaths from it already. Person makes a false call, somebody dies. Very minimum, is manslaughter. If intentional and directed swatting, it is murder. Just didn't pull the trigger.
I hope the catch the person too, especially if it was a "troll"
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.30 06:14:59 -
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Where is the part on public mischief? Since the target is a publisher, perhaps his right to freedom of expression is attacked. Perhaps there is a mischief in relation to electronic data (similar to electronic warfare, the more civilian part) endangering life? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 16:18:54 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Are you trying to defend SWATting?
Am I defending swatting? No, but I'd like to know where you saw me trying to defend it.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Why are you using the old soviet method of "you must be crazy" to debunk my points? Go ahead and defend murder by proxy and stop trying to gaslight the other readers this way.
I never thought you to be one of the "the evil empire is coming to get us!" types.
I am not defending anything. What I am though, is calling BS on your definition of "attempted murder" because calling the cops on someone as a prank isn't attempted murder, it is however two things; falsifying report which is illegal and it is also dangerous for everyone involved -- cops as well as the victim of the prank.
However, knowing how trigger happy cops are in the US -- there is a very real chance of someone ending up dead.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Tell me how and why SWATting is not a form of attempted murder. Or are you one of the people who do that sort of thing and fear too much attention to the seriousness of this act is going to cramp your PVP?
Attempted murder is when someone has the intent to kill but ends up failing to kill the intended victim. And as we can only speculate what the culprit's intent was for the swatting, we end up in very murky waters when we try to define its judicial definition.
In other words, in a court case where the defendant is charged for swatting is likely going to end up on charges for falsifying report unless there is clear evidence that the intent was to kill.
Still, Soviets and gas lightning... LOL!
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9086
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Posted - 2015.08.30 16:53:56 -
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Relevant? He broke down in tears, how sad. I am really, realy touched... not.
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Ian Morbius
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:05:55 -
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The nineteen year old suspect in this article( Mar 27, 2015) can get up to 5 years in prison.
Teenage Minecraft player admits to orchestrating three swattings
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7098
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:46:38 -
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Alpheias wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Are you trying to defend SWATting? Am I defending swatting? No, but I'd like to know where you saw me trying to defend it. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Why are you using the old soviet method of "you must be crazy" to debunk my points? Go ahead and defend murder by proxy and stop trying to gaslight the other readers this way. I never thought you to be one of the "the evil empire is coming to get us!" types. I am not defending anything. What I am though, is calling BS on your definition of "attempted murder" because calling the cops on someone as a prank isn't attempted murder, it is however two things; falsifying report which is illegal and it is also dangerous for everyone involved -- cops as well as the victim of the prank. However, knowing how trigger happy cops are in the US -- there is a very real chance of someone ending up dead. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Tell me how and why SWATting is not a form of attempted murder. Or are you one of the people who do that sort of thing and fear too much attention to the seriousness of this act is going to cramp your PVP? Attempted murder is when someone has the intent to kill but ends up failing to kill the intended victim. And as we can only speculate what the culprit's intent was for the swatting, we end up in very murky waters when we try to define its judicial definition. In other words, in a court case where the defendant is charged for swatting is likely going to end up on charges for falsifying report unless there is clear evidence that the intent was to kill. Still, Soviets and gas lightning... LOL!
Wow. You are one of those fabled products of the post-modern, a life lacking in the notion of consequences.
Someday it's going to bite you on the ass. You will have done it to yourself, but you won't realize it in failing to make the connection.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11511
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Posted - 2015.08.30 18:16:46 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If this is Eve, it's time to leave.
nah dude, for one its a predominantly American streamer thing and has been happening for quite some time now.
in eve if you want to screw with a streamer you just run a locator and go screw with them.
Edit: i agree with you though its pretty godawfull thing to do given how twitchy us police can be, to deliberatly put a team of them in your home with the notion in their heads that they might have to kill you is actually quite a scummy thing to do.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.08.30 19:48:25 -
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I find it mildly disturbing that there's some places in the first world where people must be afraid of someone calling the police to come to their assistance...
"Dude... now I'm gonna send the police to help you!" "Oh sh*t!"
How...?
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9110
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Posted - 2015.08.30 20:04:39 -
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Because the police sends SWAT squad with real guns to a supposed shootout/murderer with gun.
That is not your usual "loud neighbour" report.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.30 20:15:08 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I find it mildly disturbing that there's some places in the first world where people must be afraid of someone calling the police to come to their assistance... "Dude... now I'm gonna send the police to help you!" "Oh sh*t!" How...? These aren't your typical police.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.08.30 20:32:50 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I find it mildly disturbing that there's some places in the first world where people must be afraid of someone calling the police to come to their assistance... "Dude... now I'm gonna send the police to help you!" "Oh sh*t!" How...?
Even in Europe people do call the police with the intend to disrupt someones daily routine. False claims are not an american thing.
What is different though is that we hear of something happening in the USA as a whole country, while ine Europe we are still in the mindset of individual countries. So when something happens in Finland or in Greece, we consider it as far away. Partly that's reasonable because there are indeed huge cultural differences. I for one whitnessed a pistol shot to celebrate a marriage , right in the center of Zagreb in Croatia. That's rather inimaginable where I actually live. But when something happens in Texas, we europeans think USA.
Apart from our more gunhappy Europeans or recent conflict zones (Northern Ireland, Balkans, Corsica ...) we generally have strict gun control and so police doesn't have to suspect gun related dangers every time they are called.
But yeah, swatting is really disturbing ...
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.08.30 20:43:51 -
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Webvan wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I find it mildly disturbing that there's some places in the first world where people must be afraid of someone calling the police to come to their assistance... "Dude... now I'm gonna send the police to help you!" "Oh sh*t!" How...? These aren't your typical police.
To be fair, I would draw a line between SWAT and all other police departments. Yes, riot control and "normal police" are being equipped with military grade gear ... and it's not good that they are using stuff like tazers and tear gas where it is not absolutely necessary.
But SWAT teams are exempt IMO. They are supposed to be an elite unit to be called when things are getting to dangerous for normal police. SWAT history
Of course if SWAT units are called in for every arrest, that defeats the purpose of SWAT.
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 23:14:20 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Wow. You are one of those fabled products of the post-modern, a life lacking in the notion of consequences.
Someday it's going to bite you on the ass. You will have done it to yourself, but you won't realize it in failing to make the connection. I'm betting you already eat Doritos and Hot Pockets all day and wonder why you are not Mr. Universe.
I have to ask, do you have a selection of "witty" comebacks and responses for any occasion that you just pick at random regardless of the context of the conversation?
Well, when I reach your grand age and I can't come up with something better than a knee-jerk response where my brain suddenly loses all coherency; I'll kill myself. I have never had Doritos or Hot Pockets, but I can only assume it is really bad when America's biggest export is stupidity.
But I am touched by your concern for me to become an upstanding member of society though.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.30 23:57:37 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:To be fair, I would draw a line between SWAT and all other police departments. grenade launchers for the Los Angeles Unified School District police Politically biased spin on the article (LA Times duh), but accurate regarding the general facts. YEAH!! W'ell make sure those kids don't get outa line Even the US postal service is arming to the teeth, along with Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Better not complain about all those social security deductions from your payroll
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2015.08.31 00:32:25 -
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I wonder if Reckless Endangerment involving deadly weapons can be applicable. Even if death isn't the intent, and no shots are fired, people who do this are still putting lives in danger. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7106
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:17:31 -
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Webvan wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:To be fair, I would draw a line between SWAT and all other police departments. grenade launchers for the Los Angeles Unified School District policePolitically biased spin on the article (LA Times duh), but accurate regarding the general facts. YEAH!! W'ell make sure those kids don't get outa line Even the US postal service is arming to the teeth, along with Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Better not complain about all those social security deductions from your payroll
SWAT tactics and actual SWAT "teams" differ as well.
Everybody wants to play soldier. Even the Department of Education has a "team" that gets called "SWAT" though it's not SWAT.
DoE SWAT team
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1542
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Posted - 2015.09.01 07:07:55 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:They say it was Markee Dragon who got swatted but i did not see direct reference in the (poorly written) article. If this is Eve, it's time to leave. It's true, this is EVE. Can I have your stuff now?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2516
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:15:27 -
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This is some seriously creepy stuff. Years ago my ex managed to convince me to move us into a more 'urban' area (small city of about 175k folks in the it's 'metropolitan' area).
This took some talking to make happen, as I was fairly familiar with the area and to be frank I did not trust the local PD. They had a spotty history and it was fairly well known that there were several bad guys with badges amongst their ranks. Needless to say, it was a hard sell for me. We kept a machete over the door and loaded .45 stashed nearby, just in case.
Thinking back, it's kind of sad that I had more fear of the police in the area than I did of any criminals who might be lurking about. This 'swatting' is some seriously scary stuff when you know that the PD in your area is just itching for an excuse to break out their tactical toys and go play soldier. It's a recipe for tragedy.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:42:47 -
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Webvan wrote:Jill Xelitras wrote:To be fair, I would draw a line between SWAT and all other police departments. grenade launchers for the Los Angeles Unified School District policePolitically biased spin on the article (LA Times duh), but accurate regarding the general facts. YEAH!! W'ell make sure those kids don't get outa line Even the US postal service is arming to the teeth, along with Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Better not complain about all those social security deductions from your payroll Had a U.S. immigration (USCIS) officer visit our office once, wearing a Glock in a holster. We employ bilingual Spanish-English speech language pathologists on H-1B Professional visas. He was there on a random check to see if we were actually employing a certain Ms. Rios, H-1B visa speech pathologist, as we'd said on our visa petition.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:46:41 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:They say it was Markee Dragon who got swatted but i did not see direct reference in the (poorly written) article. If this is Eve, it's time to leave. It's true, this is EVE. Can I have your stuff now?
So can I expect CODE. to publically denounce SWATing anytime soon or is this something the very people who are proud to get people booted for "RL threats and slurs" are in favor of?
I want to know because the hypocrisy of people like yourself needs to be gauged out in public. It's not like we don't know it already considering a certain scandal and a "passing around of an audio file" but the spotlight has to remain focused in case something else happens.
I won't hold my breath for that public denouncing of SWATing but maybe your leadership has something they could add.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.09.02 00:40:48 -
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Consider this, maybe: -When my nephew was five year old, we once called 911 because his parents denied letting him do something he wanted to do. (911 is the consolidated emergency dispatch number in the U.S.) His parents came close to being criminally charged for allowing the emergency response system to be tied up by a frivolous call. In other words, for failure to prevent a call by a little kid under your control. That's how serious 911 calls were taken.
Well hell yeah, I hope if my family members ever have to call 911, people will take it as an emergency and respond appropriately. Not, "OK, here's another. Three false alarms today, probably just another one. Let me finish my coffee."
-A law enforcement long-term acquaintance of mine and his patrol car partner once made the news. They put 40-something pistol rounds into a fleeing convenience store robbery suspects car. Luckily, no one was hurt.
-Back in my recent graduate and broke single guy days (no furniture, no ashtray even, etc.), I created a smoldering trash can incident. In other words, the cig butt I put in my kitchen trash can caused a paper towel to start to slowly releasing some smoke. I put it out by pulling the paper out and dowsing it in the sink. No big deal, I think. But no. The next thing, firefighters are about to beat my door down, or else hack through it with axes. They come in, take the offending trash can out, and blast it with high pressure water. And check every closet and pantry in the apartment for... what? Dead bodies maybe? I did manage to keep them from axing all of the windows and hosing down the apartment. But the next day, the first thing all of us early morning commuters say was parking lot full of water-blasted garbage, and one soaked and slightly charred paper towel.
That was the reaction for a smoking piece of paper report. Had it been a swatting "he's got a gun" report...?
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