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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 11:39:49 -
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No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.08.31 11:57:45 -
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Since OP asked for no IFs or BUTs, I'll provide ORs:
Or it needs one of its legit targets to become relevant again, so that Phoenix could shoot it, that target being battleships.
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 12:01:06 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Since OP asked for no IFs or BUTs, I'll provide ORs:
Or it needs one of its legit targets to become relevant again, so that Phoenix could shoot it, that target being battleships.
Me thinks Sleeper BSs are in plentiful supply atm. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 13:26:07 -
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Apparently you haven't seen this then.
After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:26:24 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.
That's terrifying. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:34:18 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. It was also mildly nerfed for obvious reasons.
Still.... taking 3 to 4 citidel torpedo volleys rather than just 2 is still pretty good considering that one does not need to account for tracking or have much in the way of support.
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:52:57 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.
It all-ready is the best dread for blazing... |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.08.31 17:02:39 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. AWESOME! You found it again! I was looking for that for so long after it got deleted on Twitch. Thanks a lot for that!
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.31 22:10:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has.
I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5.
BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.
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Zura Namee
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.08.31 22:32:44 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5. BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.
Go try to solo some subcaps in any other dred and report back to us. |
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.31 22:48:35 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. I intend to use it for soloing C5s, not hot dropping a bunch of T1 sub-caps. This thing would die horribly in a C5. BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid.
Find a Nag(or other dread) fitted to kill subcaps and drop a anti-capital fitted Phoenix on it, see what happens :P |
Crimson Draufgange
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.08.31 22:50:23 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.
Good job providing valid and well thought out reasons to support your proposal. Phoenix is good enough as is imho, especially after the missile changes.
0/10, would downvote again.
My Velator is overpowered.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.08.31 23:17:21 -
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You had me shaking my head at "Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher". I didn't think it would get any worse, but then you went and said "I don't really see the epicness of this vid".
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.09.01 03:23:54 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid. Fit up a battleship designed to effectively nuke frigates and destroyers while holding its ground. Such a fit would not be able to kill another battleship that has been fit to kill a battleship.
The same idea applies here. It is VERY effective at blapping and holding out against sub-capitals... not so much other capitals. (see: tradeoffs have to be made... it is extremely hard to make an "all rounder" ship that can perform well against many different ship classes)
The epicness of that video comes from the fact that...
- no SANE person would risk a 2.2 billion ISK ship to do that... at least... not without some kind of sub-capital support (the guy in that video only had an off-grid T3C providing Warfare Link Support).
- dreadnoughts are, by design, supposed to be quite terrible against sub-capitals without substantial sub-capital support. This guys proved otherwise.
- he survived despite really terrible odds.
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Luscius Uta
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Posted - 2015.09.01 06:53:02 -
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I don't support OP's idea, but Citadel Cruises need some love. Their explosion radius and velocity is only marginally better than Citadel Torps an their DPS is abyssmal. This makes their long range the only advantage they have over Citadel Torpedoes, so they are only viable only if the target (subcap or not) is out of range of Torps.
On a somewhat related note, we need some Faction/Officer Missile Guidance Computers/Enhancers. |
WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 06:57:14 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:BTW, this Phoenix pilot had to run with his tail between his legs when the Nag showed up so I don't really see the epicness of this vid. Fit up a battleship designed to effectively nuke frigates and destroyers while holding its ground. Such a fit would not be able to kill another battleship that has been fit to kill a battleship. The same idea applies here. It is VERY effective at blapping and holding out against sub-capitals... not so much other capitals. (see: tradeoffs have to be made... it is extremely hard to make an "all rounder" ship that can perform well against many different ship classes) The epicness of that video comes from the fact that... - no SANE person would risk a 2.2 billion ISK ship to do that... at least... not without some kind of sub-capital support (the guy in that video only had an off-grid T3C providing Warfare Link Support). - dreadnoughts are, by design, supposed to be quite terrible against sub-capitals without substantial sub-capital support. This guys proved otherwise. - he survived despite really terrible odds.
Hmm, guess I didn't realize how bad Dreads are suppose to be at killing sub-caps. Understandable since one of my mains just started flying the Phoenix. After playing around in EFT, I found some really delicious armor tanking fits for the Phoenix. Now let me test this weird rascal on SiSi.
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FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 15:38:25 -
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blap phoenixes already slap down logistics cruisers and such in a volley or two...
Throw some Targetpainters and webs on them and a single citadel torp volley will make them explode |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:09:28 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying.
I own one and "improved" upon the fit
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:16:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. I own one and "improved" upon the fit
How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:28:20 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. I own one and "improved" upon the fit How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range?
Zero.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:35:33 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. I own one and "improved" upon the fit How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range? Zero. Care to share a video at some point?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 16:35:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. I own one and "improved" upon the fit How much is it dependat on your enemy being a little stupid and staying within web range? Zero.
It shall be fun then. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 06:54:24 -
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Quote: Care to share a video at some point?
Hopefully we are going to be invaded soon and it will see more action. I have had it out on two trips so far but not met much action.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.02 09:08:14 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Fit up a battleship designed to effectively nuke frigates and destroyers while holding its ground. Such a fit would not be able to kill another battleship that has been fit to kill a battleship.
There are a number of battleships which will do this quite merrily though.
From the top of my head with common fits before I even get to thinking about weirder ones: Rattlesnake (LOLBONUSEDRLML), bhaalgorn, vindicator, dominix family.
Just to be pedantic. Sorry |
WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 10:33:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Apparently you haven't seen this then. After seeing that, you'll know that it doesn't need more than it has. That's terrifying. I own one and "improved" upon the fit
Mind if I take a peak at this fit, I'm curious.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.09.02 11:07:03 -
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No what needs to happen is either the phoenix model be fixed or the capital missile launcher models do right now they look like giant fridge magnets just slapped onto the hull
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 11:19:31 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:
Mind if I take a peak at this fit, I'm curious.
I'm keeping it a secret, partly so it can surprise people but mostly so the reimbursement team don't see it coming.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2015.09.02 11:21:19 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:No IFs and or BUTs about it. The Phoenix needs a Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher now CCP. Make it happen so the Phoenix can be a BOSS for once.
No IF-¦s and no BUT because **** balancing.
No !
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.09.02 11:59:36 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:No what needs to happen is either the phoenix model be fixed or the capital missile launcher models do right now they look like giant fridge magnets just slapped onto the hull They are launcher platforms for missiles as long as entire ships. What do you want them to look like? Heavy missile launchers? Can you imagine how long these launcher barrels would need to be in order to house these missiles? There is a reason why missile launch platforms here on earth for these huge ICBM are mostly hidden in the ground: It is completely unfeasible to mount these missiles horizontally. And keeping the largest part of the missile body and launch platform hidden inside a sturdy hull protects these highly explosive pieces of destruction. The current Citadel launcher model make perfect sense. Not so much their placement (for instance on these movable platforms at the top and bottom of the Phoenix), however.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.02 12:13:58 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:There is a reason why missile launch platforms here on earth for these huge ICBM are mostly hidden in the ground: It is completely unfeasible to mount these missiles horizontally.
Also, Gravity
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