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Menf
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:07:00 -
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the key is the motivation...
you have 2 choices: -play more and harder to earn the same ammount of money or -same investment for much lesser income
this reseed will cost alot of the "old" producers theyre motivation...
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WhiskeyDP
The Druids
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 13/12/2006 19:18:49 Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 13/12/2006 19:14:35 nobody xpt the devs know if its a reseed(which i think is NOT the case) or if they actually added new bpo's to the pool.
i totally agree with grash and chris in this and i have been trying to say the same thing over and over again. ccp will ruin the market for maybe 80% of the t2 bpo's with this to fix the remaining bpo's.
this will make the game even worse when it comes to too much isk ingame, as if it wasnt bad enough =(
average joe will just make bigger and bigger piles of isk overtime. in many cases i think there will not be anymore t1 market since i think t2 will take over. it will only depend on if u actually can use an item or not due to skill if u will fly with t1 or t2
edit: its sad that everyone think getting a t2 bpo = iwin button in eve which isnt true in most cases ==================
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Sgt Napalm
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:25:00 -
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WTB: Harpy BPO
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Oku Kee'lus
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Oku Kee''lus on 13/12/2006 19:37:18 BPOs are wrong anyway.
CCP does not have the resources nor the ability to monitor the market and re-seed, or even remove(!) BPOs based on market prices.
The only way to allow for a truly dynamic market, is to control T2 production via supply and demand of the resources required to build T2, not BPOs.
Supply and demand for resources is dynamic, it changes based on Alliance wars, Empire wars, subscribers, sovereignty, pirate activity et cetera.
Give yourself a break CCP, do it right once, never worry about it again :)
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Dragon
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:39:00 -
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I must say it's quite funny to see many of the mega rich T2 BPO owners whine in this thread. Still, it would actually take a lot of BPO's to satisfy demand for the most popular items so this is not a drastic change by any means.
The only change this is going to bring is less isk in the pockets of the current T2 BPO owners and lower prices for the consumer. I simply can't see the negative in that.
Judging from experience all I can say that this is definately just a reseed of all the T2 BPO's. I seriously doubt that the devs would actually go through the trouble of querying the DB for unused BPO's. It's just much simpler to reseed the whole thing. T3 is definately coming soon.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Napalm WTB: Harpy BPO
WTB: Jaguar BPO to counter the influx of Harpies =P ----------------------------
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:49:00 -
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you dont get it..right?
alot of T2 BPO producer DONT HAVE MUCH ISK because they immediatly spend the earned money into new BPOs.. so all theyve got are BPOs so far...and they will be not worth what they payed for them further so the money is wasted.. the time is wasted..
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:54:00 -
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Let me get this strait.
Everybody complains that there are not enough T2 blueprints and everyone is saying CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 CCP SEED MORE T2 x infinity plus 1.
Now, CCP seeds more T2 like the whiners want.
But no, now when you get a blueprint, its not good enough because it doesnt make as much profit now that there are more blueprints.
Looks to me like CCP can't win.
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Doc Extropy
Gallente Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: WhiskeyDP Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 13/12/2006 19:18:49 Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 13/12/2006 19:14:35 nobody xpt the devs know if its a reseed(which i think is NOT the case) or if they actually added new bpo's to the pool.
i totally agree with grash and chris in this and i have been trying to say the same thing over and over again. ccp will ruin the market for maybe 80% of the t2 bpo's with this to fix the remaining bpo's.
this will make the game even worse when it comes to too much isk ingame, as if it wasnt bad enough =(
average joe will just make bigger and bigger piles of isk overtime. in many cases i think there will not be anymore t1 market since i think t2 will take over. it will only depend on if u actually can use an item or not due to skill if u will fly with t1 or t2
edit: its sad that everyone think getting a t2 bpo = iwin button in eve which isnt true in most cases
From a roleplaying point of view this can also be seen as a changing of generations. T1 is obsolete, T2 is the new standard which will soon find it's way to the masses.
As soon as T2 really hits, it is time for T3.
Originally by: Fortior Good things come to those who persevere.
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Dragon
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Menf you dont get it..right? alot of T2 BPO producer DONT HAVE MUCH ISK because they immediatly spend the earned money into new BPOs.. so all theyve got are BPOs so far...and they will be not worth what they payed for them further so the money is wasted.. the time is wasted..
Well, if that is all that you care about in this game then yeah I guess you're right to a certain degree.
However the prices of the T2 BPO's won't drop to zero in a day or two. T2 BPO is still one of the most valuable commodities around and the reseed won't affect that in any way.
One could even argue that the prices of the T2 BPO's has steadily risen since they were released. That's pretty good for zero risk isn't it.
For the rest of us that don't care that much about collecting isk (I do that in real life already) then cheaper prices for ships and modules allows us to pvp more often and have more FUN.
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subvert
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:06:00 -
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the lottery as a whole sucks
i dont care that more are given out
i dont care that people have them
i only care that the most powerful items in this player driven game are given out at random and NOT player driven.
good t2 bpo = printing press = IWIN
lottery = poor system
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:06:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is. So what if there are more bpos of non-selling objects? No one of forcing you to take them. Just because an item can't sell for mega profit in Jita doesn't mean it can't be useful to someone out in 0.0. From my limited experience in manufacturing just because someone has a bpo doesn't mean they are actually using it. There are lots of them gather dust in hangers while their owners are out doing the pew pew bang.
Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell |
Kerm
Gallente Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:29:00 -
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Congrats, you have worked hard and gotten some T2 BPO's and most likely made a lot of ISK from them to justify your team work. That is quite an achievment.
So what if CCP has released more of the BPO's. Its like anything else, you can only have a monopoly for so long, take Microsoft for example, they released the XBOX 360 1 year before the other Next Gen consoles came out.
The had the advantage over Sony and Nintendo for a full year and made a lot of money and had the whole market to themselves. Now Sony and Nintendo have thrown their hats into the ring they no longer have the market to themselves, I dont hear them complaining about it though, its called competition.
Prices on everything fall eventually, look at the new battleships, first few days they were 400mill each, they are about 200mill now, good play to the guys who got them out first and scored the massive profit margins. Just be happy that you made a wide profit margin on your BPO's and let the new T2 producers arrive on the market.
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WhiskeyDP
The Druids
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:35:00 -
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they should have seeded all bpos on market@ silly high prices instead. like hac bpo's @ 100b and so on. that way the market would have adjusted in time. as it is now its way too much isk ingame(and no i dont care about my own bpo's since i have given away 3 command ship bpo's already and have about 100b in wallet and taking a long break from the game) and putting them on market would have been a exellent way to get rid of lots of isk.
t2 is NOT = iwin button in most cases. i made lots of my isk from t1 ==================
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 13/12/2006 22:19:15
Originally by: Kerm Congrats, you have worked hard and gotten some T2 BPO's and most likely made a lot of ISK from them to justify your team work. That is quite an achievment.
So what if CCP has released more of the BPO's. Its like anything else, you can only have a monopoly for so long, take Microsoft for example, they released the XBOX 360 1 year before the other Next Gen consoles came out.
The had the advantage over Sony and Nintendo for a full year and made a lot of money and had the whole market to themselves. Now Sony and Nintendo have thrown their hats into the ring they no longer have the market to themselves, I dont hear them complaining about it though, its called competition.
Prices on everything fall eventually, look at the new battleships, first few days they were 400mill each, they are about 200mill now, good play to the guys who got them out first and scored the massive profit margins. Just be happy that you made a wide profit margin on your BPO's and let the new T2 producers arrive on the market.
Sony,Microsoft,Nintento
3 companys selling similar items, not 20 ^^ thats monopoly
actually no i haven't made a wide profit for the simple reason, i reinvested the isks When CCP announced invention officially (8-10 months ago) i did my maths and kept investing till the point that i was able to get at least my investment back
from kali day 1, i have calculated that we need another 180 days and we will hit my initial investetment, it was a risky thing to do but who dares wins( we lost tho :) )
and then last week, a regular dev post said " hm extra tech2 prints? why not) This info should have come out at least 6-10 months ago, why?? well you say about player driven market, tech2 is within player influence and people calculate their initial investments to turn a profit 12-15 months later
does it sounds like a player driven market?? the only thing driven here is the game from CCP, not you, not me, not anybody!
I loved eve for its interaction and the hard competion, and for a peasant like me to manage a small corp of 20 and within 1+ year to reach the highest wallet ranks was something beyond my imagination
We produce our needed materials We haul endless hours We produce our tech1 We produce our tech2 We sell all over empire and in some "free" to enter 0.0 (over 20 regions) We sell and we worth every damn isk we make, we WORKED for it! We have trained our chars for specialized tech 2 producing We pay every member for their work, they need to relax a bit with pvp, we support them on that! We reinvest upon FACTS not HHHMMMMMMMMMM lets screw the market cause its our game and we do not want to lose WoW players that jumped here because WoW is to easy and boring
Do you think all of the aboves is well played time? well spent rl money? for me? in 2 months it will be something that never happened, it's the biggest node crash for us
you lose a ship and quickly petition it! you get ganked because you are a fricking noob in empire and whine on the forums for game mechanics, and blame CCP for your 1-2 bils loss
Can you plz tell me where to petition for our 3 figure billions of investements made the last year that are going down the drain? money that was not luck but hard work!
yeah sure some of the investements have paid out already, but if you think that every isk we make we put it back in the cycle was to end in 6 months time and we would have some loss as well
the invested isk that gone in 10 months ago? 9 months ago? 8?7?6?5?4?3?
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:04:00 -
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Personally I feel you are barking up the wrong tree entirely. I see this constantly on the forums. People with a real problem who attack the immediate thing affecting them without really bothering to discuss the root of the problem.
The reality is that the true root of the problem has nothing to do with how many T2 BPO's exist for some poor performing module. Limiting T2 BPO's in the first place was just an extremely stupid way to try and fix the things that went wrong in the T1 market.
You would be far better off venting at the Dev's over the original mistake. Spend your time arguing about them fixing production overall. Many things have been fixed in EvE. I think it's about time to look at fixing production and bringing it's time/skill/location vs reward ratio into line with everything else.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:59:00 -
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It was never promised when you bought your print that no more would ever be seeded.
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Karazaan
Rakyra
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Menf Edited by: Menf on 13/12/2006 18:40:01 your "free pass gold mine" was hard worked for...
i hope one day you start to build a house in 1 year and another 20 years to repay your credit...and 1 year after all is payed houses cost 100 dollars,euros or whatever
really want to hear what you would say on this... at least i have a house?
I know a lot of people have worked very hard to get some T2 bpo.
I have an house that I'm repaying and yes the house market could crash and my house could lose value, there could be a large industrial dump that suddently get the right to build near and devaluate it. I could be near water and with the heating of the planet, the water could go up and I might even have to demolish the house (because it would become dangerous to squatters) and receive squat for it.
But I don't think the house example is a good one. Because we know house should keep their value under normal condition. Whatever T2 was always... Assumed. Like some said, a ship or module could suddently be worthless or too good to be true. So I think it's like stock market, some took chance, it turn good, for other, it turn bad (and sour). |
Desiderious
Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:39:00 -
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There has been a lot of similiar posts like this one due to the new patches. The "they ruined my playin style". Im afraid the best you can do is to adapt. Hell thats what poeple have to do in real life all the time im sure we are able to do it in EVE. When they changed missions I made accounts for it, now whenever im doing missions I check local and make sure im far away from warp in. Very simple stuff. You can simply sell your T2 BPO and start on another project or...you could always use some trading to put a good spin on this bad aspect. WIsh you the best of luck and always remember to look on the bright side of life Grash Freedom. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^ |
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