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Caladan Panzureborn
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:18:58 -
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For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11543
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:29:15 -
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Be patient.
Better the Devil you know.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
422
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:45:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Be patient.
Eve ain't your normal MMORPG. You're combat effective from day one, admittedly you don't want to tackle. You're limiting yourself there; fleet op experience is always good. There's lots of stuff to do in Eve. Skillpoints aren't the end all, be all.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
1215
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Posted - 2015.08.31 16:45:01 -
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I remember your frustration well. The first few weeks are a bit rough. There's all this cool stuff that you can't quite do, and you keep changing your mind about what to try so your SP ends up all over the place. I look back on it quite fondly now though. There was so much to test and explore, everything new and exciting. The anticipation of your next skill completing....these days I don't even know what I'm currently training.
It is hard, but it will pay off if you stick it out. The key is to find ways to have fun with very little SP. For most people this means getting involved with an active corp. Brave does all kinds of things that you can get involved with. Even mining (something I typically abhor) is more fun with people to chat with.
You say you don't want to fly fleet tackle. Why is that? Have you tried it? It's a great way to learn about various combat mechanics and how fleets operate - which is incredibly important knowledge when flying solo. You need to be able to deal with those tacklers quickly so you don't get pinned down by "the blob". Flying that role yourself is the best way to understand its limitations. Not to mention it will introduce you to other players and get you involved. The more time you spend doing anything, the less time you spend worrying about your skill queue.
Personally I love solo PVP and if that is your ultimate goal I would encourage you to get started sooner rather than later. Check out the "EVE is easy" videos on youtube which have some examples of low SP pilots doing work on their own. Of course these are experienced players using new characters, so they already have the game knowledge. But they prove that SP isn't everything.
Keep in mind that solo PVP is basically playing EVE on hard mode. Just because you are solo doesn't mean anyone else is. You'll often be fighting outnumbered and outgunned - and when starting out you'll be at an experience and SP disadvantage as well. However, all those things just make it that more rewarding when you succeed. Just be prepared for a rough go of it for a while - until you find your niche. And in the mean time, even for primarily solo oriented players, flying with groups is undoubtedly the fastest way to learn.
Edit: If for some reason it's just the "hero tackle" role that bothers you (suicide isn't for everyone) there are plenty of other low SP options which your FC would love for you to fill - EWAR and T1 logi are welcome in most all fleets
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24956
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Posted - 2015.08.31 17:32:41 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated. It's quite common to feel that way, the fact that you're questioning whether or not other MMOs have instilled the need for instant gratification puts you ahead of the curve.
Eve is definitely hardcore, and definitely old school but it's definitely possible to play it as a filthy causal, many of us have kids, jobs and other commitments.
I'm pretty sure than Brave Newbies have a ship replacement program in place that you can take advantage of if you feel you can't afford to replace your PvP losses, it's certainly worth enquiring about.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Caladan Panzureborn
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.08.31 17:42:44 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:I remember your frustration well. The first few weeks are a bit rough. There's all this cool stuff that you can't quite do, and you keep changing your mind about what to try so your SP ends up all over the place. I look back on it quite fondly now though. There was so much to test and explore, everything new and exciting. The anticipation of your next skill completing....these days I don't even know what I'm currently training.
It is hard, but it will pay off if you stick it out. The key is to find ways to have fun with very little SP. For most people this means getting involved with an active corp. Brave does all kinds of things that you can get involved with. Even mining (something I typically abhor) is more fun with people to chat with.
You say you don't want to fly fleet tackle. Why is that? Have you tried it? It's a great way to learn about various combat mechanics and how fleets operate - which is incredibly important knowledge when flying solo. You need to be able to deal with those tacklers quickly so you don't get pinned down by "the blob". Flying that role yourself is the best way to understand its limitations. Not to mention it will introduce you to other players and get you involved. The more time you spend doing anything, the less time you spend worrying about your skill queue.
Personally I love solo PVP and if that is your ultimate goal I would encourage you to get started sooner rather than later. Check out the "EVE is easy" videos on youtube which have some examples of low SP pilots doing work on their own. Of course these are experienced players using new characters, so they already have the game knowledge. But they prove that SP isn't everything.
Keep in mind that solo PVP is basically playing EVE on hard mode. Just because you are solo doesn't mean anyone else is. You'll often be fighting outnumbered and outgunned - and when starting out you'll be at an experience and SP disadvantage as well. However, all those things just make it that more rewarding when you succeed. Just be prepared for a rough go of it for a while - until you find your niche. And in the mean time, even for primarily solo oriented players, flying with groups is undoubtedly the fastest way to learn.
Edit: If for some reason it's just the "hero tackle" role that bothers you (suicide isn't for everyone) there are plenty of other low SP options which your FC would love for you to fill - EWAR and T1 logi are welcome in most all fleets
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I didn't want to fly fleet tackle because it didn't sound challenging. My impression is that I would just end up being blaster fodder. Haha. Thanks for the suggestion on EWAR and T1 Logi. I will ask about that and see if that is something I can get into. I'll check out the "EVE is easy" videos as well. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
736
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Posted - 2015.08.31 17:57:44 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated.
Eve isn't for everybody. It is simply not an instant gratification game. And the wait time for things you want to do get's much worse. For instance, right now I'm about 90 days from triage 2 and carrier v. If I remember correctly carrier v is a 45 day train all by itself. There are lots of things to do in eve, so I suggest that while you are waiting give something else a try.
As an aside - a vexor is real cheap. Just do some combat exploration and you should have plenty of isk to cover any vexor losses. The ded 1s and 2s are easy as sin and they frequently drop mods worth 40+ mil isk. Ofc the trick is to find them, but thats the fun in exploration.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
736
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Posted - 2015.08.31 17:59:25 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated. It's quite common to feel that way, the fact that you're questioning whether or not other MMOs have instilled the need for instant gratification puts you ahead of the curve. Eve is definitely hardcore, and definitely old school but it's definitely possible to play it as a filthy causal, many of us have kids, jobs and other commitments. I'm pretty sure than Brave Newbies have a ship replacement program in place that you can take advantage of if you feel you can't afford to replace your PvP losses, it's certainly worth enquiring about.
I think rvb also as a t1 frig replacement program. I could be wrong.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24957
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Posted - 2015.08.31 18:38:25 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:I think rvb also as a t1 frig replacement program. I could be wrong. They've got 3 or 4 ship replacement programs IIRC, they definitely do cheap/free packages of pre fitted frigates for the newbro's
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2015.08.31 18:42:09 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. It gets better after the first year or two.
I hope.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5306
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Posted - 2015.08.31 18:55:12 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:I didn't want to fly fleet tackle because it didn't sound challenging.
There are players like watch yoself of BNI [SB00N] that are somewhat (in)famous for light tackle. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1362
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Posted - 2015.08.31 19:34:12 -
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You've gotten into the habit of everything being handed to you, it's now very tough to get out of that mindset but you'll find that you become a much better gamer in general after you do |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13612
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Posted - 2015.08.31 19:39:18 -
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Aerasia wrote:Caladan Panzureborn wrote:It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. It gets better after the first year or two. I hope. Depends on how much you limit yourself. If you limit yourself after the first couple weeks, likely you will still be limiting yourself after the first couple years.
EVE tends to be more about what to do rather than how to do it. When games are about - little to do - but hold your hand with how to do it, well that is a security blanket for some and keeps them in those games. Here you can find what to do and start right in, it just may change over time on how you do it, and do it the way you want rather than how some game mechanic leads you to do.
I'm in it for the money
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1540
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Posted - 2015.08.31 20:05:26 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I didn't want to fly fleet tackle because it didn't sound challenging. My impression is that I would just end up being blaster fodder. Haha. Thanks for the suggestion on EWAR and T1 Logi. I will ask about that and see if that is something I can get into. I'll check out the "EVE is easy" videos as well.
it can be very challenging staying alive vs some fleet comps. Sure many corps will put newbies into frigs and rely on numbers of newbs in fast ships zerging other players. sure 10x newbs in 4km/s atrons will probably land a scram on an orthrus, but will probably lose a few ships in the process, and the othrus always has the option to just warp out.
overall frig pvp is the most intense imo, just because it is so fast and ships have so little hp. There are also lots of pilots that make mistakes, or don't have a lot of SP in that area because they are trained into other stuff. There are also many ships/fits that can just beat other ships/fits depending on a huge number of factors, and many of them don't involve Skill points. Flying a battleship is a much bigger isk and SP investment but imo it isn't anywhere near as hard as you don't need to make as many split second decisions. And having that frig pvp experience and knowing what other ships can do makes flying bigger ships easier.
Chessur has a much better take on it that I can write: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yBTaqiMrX4 and another one, with some good diagrams on the whiteboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke3ROIFB3Ms
The only other thing I really have to say is if you want to focus on combat, then focus on combat, ignore the mining skills for now. Combat becomes a better income source later on anyways. I'd rather do 20days of combat than 10 mining 10 combat. Plankton is my first character, and is nearly all combat. My first alt started with industry, but is nearly all combat now. I feel like when I started I always had stuff to do. A lot of it helped with my corp, we did a ton of t1 frig pvp with each other. and I did a lot of mission grinding.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
27
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Posted - 2015.08.31 21:23:57 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game.
Only you can decide what's fun for you, but personally, I hate the traditional skill grind and never miss it.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life.
What's probably more anti-climactic is the realization that what you do in the procurer is identical to what you do in the venture. Training for gas harvesting takes less time and is more exciting/rewarding.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight.
Nothing stopping you from finding a fellow knife-wielding newbie to spar with. There are corps full of them, like mine and yours.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated.
It's totally hardcore, but not in the way you imagine. What's hardcore about EVE is that you set the goals and your only constraints are your ability to think creatively. It sounds like you're not very creative and have let other veteran players, bitter veterans, decide what you should be able to do in order to "win."
tl;dr: Square-peg, Round hole. Take a step back and figure out what exactly you want to accomplish and why that's enjoyable.
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Jawls Rohn
Neon Incorporated 404 Alliance Not Found
10
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Posted - 2015.08.31 22:08:39 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated. How long does it actually take to sit in a procurers? Years since I have done it, but I don't remember it taking especially long.
What matters is what you enjoy. Do you enjoy flying a venture and mining? If not, a procurers won't no fun either. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5307
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Posted - 2015.08.31 23:29:40 -
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Procurer, Covetor, Retriever:
* Mining (rank 1) level 2 GåÆ 4 * Science (rank 1) level 3 GåÆ 4 * Astrogeology (rank 3) level 3 * Industry (rank 1) level 5 * Mining Barge (rank 4) level 1
As a Venture pilot, only the last two skills should be new, requiring you to make the choice of specializing in Industry. Note that Industry 5 is only a rank 1 skill, so it is quite fast to train.
Not a big price for access to 3 new ships.
In EVE, specialization is a skill-point sink. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2015.09.01 00:20:05 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote: Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated. Like others have said I was where you are now when I first started. I can tell you from experience that yes those other games have trained you in exactly the way that you have indicated.
You should not be sitting around waiting for skills to train. Eve is not a min / max game. It is a game about making and working with friends and making the most out of what you have. If you think that you can just jump into this game and pwn in solo PvP like in other games it almost certainly won't happen that way with only very few exceptions. This is a very deep game and it takes a long time to learn the ins and outs.
Learning i.e. becoming experienced at PvP in this game means loosing ships and learning from each loss. If you want to try and loose as few ships as possible or wait for skills or better ships before you PvP then you will never get good at PvP in this game.
I could give you an "all level 5" character and your success in PvP in your first few month probably would not change much if at all from what you will do with your current skill points. On the flip side of that is the eve is easy channel on youtube where the guy pwns in PvP on an alt that is about 2 weeks old.
You are correct that if you are looking for instant gratification then Eve is not the game for you. However if you are looking for a game that is and will remain challenging and engaging even years from now then Eve is pretty good at that.
Unless you are with a very good hardcore null sec or wormhole mining corp then mining will get boring fast. It is also ****** isk compared to pretty much anything else. So if you like mining stick with it, however if you are mining as a get rich quick scheme it's not going to work. But more important than making isk is having fun so find out what you like to do and make isk doing that. This is a game after all and it's supposed to be fun.
Rather than give my regular speech I am going to just tell you some things about eve that should give some perspective on the game and maybe help you manage your expectations.
Eve is a PvP game first, at it's core and by design. PvE is kind of a secondary after thought in this game. Also Eve is an MMO and by intent and design pushes towards interactions with others and de-emphasizes solo play. The devs have spoken on this repeatedly and they intentionally (I am hesitating to say force) push group efforts over solo and encourage player interaction over non-player interaction ( read that solo or PvE and especially solo PvE).
There is no structured PvP in Eve. The arena or battleground style of PvP that you find in games like WoW or Battlefield where you have even numbers of roughly equivalent characters going up against each other just does not exist here. Don't even bother to think about much less trying to get your character ideally set up with max skill points and best in slot gear. The key to success in this game is having more friends and / or playing dirtier than the next guy.
Probably the most followed PvP stat in or out of this game is isk destroyed versus isk lost. What that typically translates into is doing more with less. You don't want to be the guy in the blinged out expensive ship, you want to be the guy or guys in the cheaper ships that blew him up and looted his expensive drops.
The TL;dr version: If you can open your mind and drop the expectation that other MMOs have taught you and come to Eve not expecting it to be like other MMOs but instead expecting it to be different and give Eve a chance to be Eve, I think there is a good chance that you will like it. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:31:59 -
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sp isnt everything, i have 70mil and i still need my friends to bail me out
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:44:17 -
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Lan Wang wrote:sp isnt everything, i have 70mil and i still need my friends to bail me out
It's not everything but it certainly helps.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:48:05 -
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Avvy wrote:Lan Wang wrote:sp isnt everything, i have 70mil and i still need my friends to bail me out It's not everything but it certainly helps.
yeah it helps but but it doesnt give you the skills to actually win a fight, slingshotting, dictating range etc etc are all rl skills not sp. pilot skill is certainly more important than paper skills
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Bitevni Shalina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:04:50 -
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Eve is worst PvP MMOG at the moment. No match making, long wait to get a battle and you need to pay a lot of real money to play it (or grind hours and hours) and to get enouth ISK to replace your ships + fittings. It will take so much time till you will find with whom to fight and from whom to flee. All those super pro elite PvP-iers in this forum fight only fights, where they are sure they will win. And it is usually hour till you fight proper target.
Other way around is to join FW or become a little fish in a large blob, where your whole battle is just listen to the FC and switch targets accordingly. Life of a bolt inside of an engine.
So if your target is to get fair PvP fights, get them quickly and feel, that you, you alone and your skill can decide how the fight will end - go play World of tanks, warships, war thunder etc... You get instant fights for free andwith some form of match making.
Eve is different. It is about live in a WORLD, where you build your home, get circle of friends and fun planning, waiting and finally get a single kill in entire day. You pay CCP to be part of the world, not for some pew-pew. Everything takes real time in this almost real world. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:07:41 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:For someone that doesn't mind the traditional MMORPG level grind, the skill training here is killing me. Not only do I not mind the normal MMO grind, I'm starting to miss it. It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it and am on the fence about continuing to sub and play this game. I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life. Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer. I can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp. Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP. Just feels like so many hoops to jump through in this game to do anything. Even to get free stuff! lol new Corp has a dozen steps to complete and a wiki page to get a free skill book. FFS. Is this game too hardcore and old school for a filthy casual like me? Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated.
A lot of other games have a sense of progression in this game you don't really get that. There is a sense of progression from the skill queue to start with but that tends to be lost as it takes longer and longer to train skills.
I spend most of my time reading about EVE and posting on the forums, whilst I play skill queue online. I estimate I'll probably be starting to play properly around the beginning of December. I find the attributes a pain as I'm stuck training core skills, ECM/ECCM type skills and navigations skills presently, leaving my gunnery and ship skills weak. Stuck because it's all about efficiency in training at the start as there are so many skills. But by December I should be in a better position to start.
I realise I'm more the exception rather than the rule as I have self imposed restrictions in place from an RP perspective and because of that it doesn't bother me that much.
I do understand your point of view though.
I have wondered what it would be like if items/ships didn't require level 5 skills, instead level 5 skills only gave that extra 2%/5%/10% etc..
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:10:35 -
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why from an rp perspective have you placed restrictions on yourself?
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:28:20 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why from an rp perspective have you placed restrictions on yourself?
Well because when I created the character, I created it for a particular purpose. I already decided the type of character it was going to be.
Unfortunately there isn't really anything that fits in with the MO of the character in high-sec.
I could look possibly at exploration as long as it doesn't involve killing pirates.
I also don't want to be training non combat skills when I could be training combat skills. I see core skills as combat skills as they play a part.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:35:56 -
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just move out of highsec and join a nullsec corp as a scout or tackle :)
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Avvy
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:54:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote:just move out of highsec and join a nullsec corp as a scout or tackle :) a good corp and fc's will help you be a good pilot, no time like the present
As you know Curse is my intended destination how it actually works out should be interesting. |
Tsukino Stareine
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Bitevni Shalina wrote:Eve is worst PvP MMOG at the moment. No match making, long wait to get a battle and you need to pay a lot of real money to play it (or grind hours and hours) and to get enouth ISK to replace your ships + fittings. It will take so much time till you will find with whom to fight and from whom to flee. All those super pro elite PvP-iers in this forum fight only fights, where they are sure they will win. And it is usually hour till you fight proper target.
Other way around is to join FW or become a little fish in a large blob, where your whole battle is just listen to the FC and switch targets accordingly. Life of a bolt inside of an engine.
So if your target is to get fair PvP fights, get them quickly and feel, that you, you alone and your skill can decide how the fight will end - go play World of tanks, warships, war thunder etc... You get instant fights for free andwith some form of match making.
Eve is different. It is about live in a WORLD, where you build your home, get circle of friends and fun planning, waiting and finally get a single kill in entire day. You pay CCP to be part of the world, not for some pew-pew. Everything takes real time in this almost real world.
Except I get a huge rush whenever I PvP in EVE, something I never experienced in other MMOs (apart from runescape, lels) and I'm talking about highly competitive PvP such as 2k+ Arena in WoW, promotional series in LoL and other such things that "matter"
Explain this. |
Bitevni Shalina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 10:04:16 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Except I get a huge rush whenever I PvP in EVE, ... Explain this.
Eve PvP sucks not because it is not interesting. Its waiting time, that spoils it. Huge rush after almost an hour of boredrome, when you were looking for a fight (you have to find any target, than you have to pick only those targets that is weak enough so you have high chance to win etc) is 100 % logical consequence. |
Sitting Bull Lakota
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.01 10:30:58 -
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No, no, and no. Watch me now as I show you how wrong you are.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:It feels like everything I want to do is days and weeks away and I'm just really frustrated with it (ende) I get the frustration. The issue with this statement is that you assume that you know what you want to do without having done it. You know what you'd like to try. You don't really know what you want to do until you've gone through the buffet of playstyles and roles and gotten some experience. Grab a mining laser and chew a rock. Kill some rats. Build something. Get into a corp. Steal from a corp. Spy for the corp that decs you. Rally your corpies and lead a frig fleet against war targets/ into low/ into null/ to your collective demise. Lose a couple of frigs in solo roams. Join FW. Point is: SP is not expertise. You get SP by paying subscription. You get experience by undocking. If you've got prop jamming trained to I you can be deadly in pvp. You won't be 25m SP all-related-skills-level-V Dramiel pilot deadly, but you can stop a ship from warping off while you hit it. Simple but effective, this is the foundation upon which all eve combat is built. For you sports guys/gals solid fundamentals make good players. Don't let the desire to fly expensive ships later stop you from flying cheap ones now.
OP wrote: I bought a Procurer with ISK earned solely from ore mining in my little venture. Can't fly it for at least another 10-14 days. Couldn't even move it from the station where I bought it to my home base. That was one of the more anti-climactic moments in my gaming life.
Again, don't let yourelf sit around waiting for your skill queue to finish. Especially if you're waiting for some more "efficient" way to isk/hr.
OP wrote:- Wanted to get into solo pvp...duels and such..can't do that for another 10-14 days after that or longer.
- I can't bring a knife to a gun fight.
- Not interested in flying a frigate as a tackler with corp.
- Can't afford to lose my Vexor, so can't fly it in PvP.
- Don't wait for SP. Do use what you've got and expect to learn from your losses. Just be persistant.
- My first legit solo kill was an Imperial navy slicer with my executioner in RvB. A 3 week old could've flown in.
- Most of Eve pvp is team oriented, and the tackle is at least as important as the dps. Try it before you judge it.
- My opinion: Buy a PLEX. Well worth it early on. Gets you out of the isk grind and into the stuff that CCP advertises.
A PLEX puts a billion isk in your pocket for the price if a bit over 1 month sub fee. Yes being self sufficient is good, but early on, it is really hard to get that kind of cash. Plus, 1bil can pay for about every skill you'll need along with 50 pvp frigates plus 10 pvp cruisers (all tech 1 hulls) with a couple hundred million leftover. If you're learning solo pvp, I guarantee you your first magic number is somewhere in that pile of frigates with a second and third close behind.
There, I replied to a "Skill queue online" thread. |
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