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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 21:24:31 -
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Hi!
I had returned after several months to EVE and I immediately noticed that price of pirate battleships dropped by a huge margin! Why? Did it happen due to some nerfs? |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.09.02 21:40:52 -
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Fozziesov changed a lot in how sov battles work, a lot of people just ratting now. Oversupply wrecked the prices. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 21:43:28 -
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So pirate BS are now often used in null for ratting? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1566
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Posted - 2015.09.02 22:06:24 -
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pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.02 22:18:46 -
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OK, so I am now at crossroads because I do not know what advanced ship type to train for. I think about Marauders, HACs, HICs, dictors. What can you advice to me? |
Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
570
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Posted - 2015.09.03 00:03:35 -
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More people may be ratting than before, but the escalation rate changes did most of the actual tanking of the market.
Another thing to remember is that BS right now are terrible outside of a few niche situations, so they really don't need purchasing or replacement. PvE pirate BS are pretty durable as far as goods go, so once people purchase them once, its unlikely they will have to again. Basically there is no consumption, and huge amounts of supply.
Honestly it's really terrible for people who used to make a living off exploration, as a nice BPC could net you a billion isk. Now, most of the deadspace market as well as pirate BPC prices are so low, that the entire profession around DED site finding and running is...totally not worth it.
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Vibiana
Frontier Trading Company
23
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Posted - 2015.09.03 02:12:21 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:More people may be ratting than before, but the escalation rate changes did most of the actual tanking of the market.
Another thing to remember is that BS right now are terrible outside of a few niche situations, so they really don't need purchasing or replacement. PvE pirate BS are pretty durable as far as goods go, so once people purchase them once, its unlikely they will have to again. Basically there is no consumption, and huge amounts of supply.
Honestly it's really terrible for people who used to make a living off exploration, as a nice BPC could net you a billion isk. Now, most of the deadspace market as well as pirate BPC prices are so low, that the entire profession around DED site finding and running is...totally not worth it.
Sooo salty, goonies overfarmed themselves. lol. |
Da Dissector
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.03 03:02:11 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time.
What is blue doughnut xD? |
Sheeth Athonille
Planets Don't Orbit...
27
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Posted - 2015.09.03 04:29:53 -
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Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD?
Well when a mommy and a daddy love each other wayyy too often... |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1574
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Posted - 2015.09.03 05:41:34 -
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Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD? 0.0 space is a ring, and empire is the hole; hence doughnut. the blue refers to the null powers mostly being blue to each other and not shooting each other. So pretty much everyone just farms npcs all day.
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Da Dissector
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.03 06:59:05 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD? Well when a mommy and a daddy love each other wayyy too often...
I wasn't asking you or for your vague input.
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Da Dissector
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.09.03 07:00:02 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD? 0.0 space is a ring, and empire is the hole; hence doughnut. the blue refers to the null powers mostly being blue to each other and not shooting each other. So pretty much everyone just farms npcs all day.
Thx for the explanation fella.
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
938
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Posted - 2015.09.03 10:49:10 -
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Da Dissector wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD? Well when a mommy and a daddy love each other wayyy too often... I wasn't asking you or for your vague input.
... actually you we're asking him... not his fault you didnt specify non-helpful answers....
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16618
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:30:52 -
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Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Da Dissector wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:pirate bs bpcs come from ratting. that said pirate BS do a lot of dps so they are mostly useful for ratting. and imo it is more a result of the blue doughnut than anything else. prices have been on a downward trend for a long time. What is blue doughnut xD? 0.0 space is a ring, and empire is the hole; hence doughnut. the blue refers to the null powers mostly being blue to each other and not shooting each other. So pretty much everyone just farms npcs all day. Thx for the explanation fella.
It's also just a myth spouted by highsec.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
357
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:34:36 -
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Goons sure are surrounded by a lot of 'myths'. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
938
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:51:07 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Goons sure are surrounded by a lot of 'myths'.
The ones about baltec1 are all true....
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.03 13:19:52 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Another thing to remember is that BS right now are terrible outside of a few niche situations,
So battleships received some serious nerf lately? What are more powerful and flexible ships in EVE now?
Vic Jefferson wrote: Now, most of the deadspace market as well as pirate BPC prices are so low, that the entire profession around DED site finding and running is...totally not worth it.
****! That happened exactly when I got my Tengu... |
Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:16:38 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:Another thing to remember is that BS right now are terrible outside of a few niche situations, So battleships received some serious nerf lately? What are more powerful and flexible ships in EVE now? Vic Jefferson wrote: Now, most of the deadspace market as well as pirate BPC prices are so low, that the entire profession around DED site finding and running is...totally not worth it.
****! That happened exactly when I got my Tengu... Warp speed changes kinda made BSs/BCs slow and cumbersome, the new meta leans a lot more towards cruisers and T3Ds (**** svipuls).
Pretty sure you can still make isk doing DEDs mate, just not as much maybe.
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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
571
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Posted - 2015.09.03 18:43:27 -
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Altair Taurus wrote: So battleships received some serious nerf lately? What are more powerful and flexible ships in EVE now?
The warp speed changes effectively made them impossible to roam with, as they will go much slower than the rest of the gang. Now baltec1 has already seen this thread so I assume he is going to say I'm dead wrong and that if you just triple warp-speed rig a megathron, you get a perfectly viable ship. The latest round of warp speed rig changes where they no longer penalize your CPU actually has done a good deal for this, as with just 3 of them you warp a little faster than a cruiser.
Either way, even if you use all three rig slots so they can just keep up with a cruiser fleet, most find that they are still not worth the cost or effort they entail, and they have projection and speed issues without lots of tackle in your gang. Everything these days worth flying (by popular perception and killboard statistics) is small, fast, and projects damage extremely well against small targets.
The warp speed thing is a direct buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things. The speed meta is a buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things.
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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
571
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Posted - 2015.09.03 18:54:12 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Pretty sure you can still make isk doing DEDs mate, just not as much maybe.
You are literally better off doing something else. Back in the day, we would factory farm DED sites in groups, with dedicated scanners, blops BS to bridge us around, and then refit T3s when we got to the site. This actually proved very profitable as we could clear Outer Ring and Syndicate of 10/10s in the better part of two hours. When Vindi BPC were a billion a piece, times were good. Once prices started to fall, we realized this was not worth it - in general most deadspace loot is worth half of what it was a year ago: this times the variance in drops makes it really bad for the effort you have to put in, not to mention you do occasionally get kicked out of the sites, and doing them solo in an age where recons do not show up on dscan is...scary.
Between the variance in scanning, and the variance in loot drops, and the bad loot prices, and the handling time of selling and moving loot, it is less than great income per hour. This is really a shame, as there should be lots of ways to earn a living, but....nope. There has always been variance in the profession, but that's what keeps it interesting for some, rather than incursions or AFK ratting, because the RNG keeps it interesting. You need CRAZY RNG now to beat other professions.
It works in sov space still because you have small areas where escalations are subcontracted out, and the volume is high.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16619
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Posted - 2015.09.03 19:04:21 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Altair Taurus wrote: So battleships received some serious nerf lately? What are more powerful and flexible ships in EVE now?
The warp speed changes effectively made them impossible to roam with, as they will go much slower than the rest of the gang. Now baltec1 has already seen this thread so I assume he is going to say I'm dead wrong and that if you just triple warp-speed rig a megathron, you get a perfectly viable ship. The latest round of warp speed rig changes where they no longer penalize your CPU actually has done a good deal for this, as with just 3 of them you warp a little faster than a cruiser. Either way, even if you use all three rig slots so they can just keep up with a cruiser fleet, most find that they are still not worth the cost or effort they entail, and they have projection and speed issues without lots of tackle in your gang. Everything these days worth flying (by popular perception and killboard statistics) is small, fast, and projects damage extremely well against small targets. The warp speed thing is a direct buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things. The speed meta is a buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things.
Don't even need the rigs to roam, I'm running around after svipuls right now
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Arthur Aihaken
Chig
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Posted - 2015.09.03 19:20:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:Don't even need the rigs to roam, I'm running around after svipuls right now Why does that not surprise me in the least?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1576
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Posted - 2015.09.03 22:01:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:It's also just a myth spouted by highsec. I'd say it's something more of a half truth. there is almost always fighting going on somewhere, but the blocs are large and cover a lot of territory. They tend to fight each other from time to time, but usually don't' commit too much to any one fight. Better to Evac than lose a ton of stuff. A small startup that tries to ninja sov can be successful, but the second the big guys decide to kick them out they can pretty easily.
anyways there is still a ton of ratting/exploration going on almost all the time, and generally enough stability to export resulting loot drops to jita to sell.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
357
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Posted - 2015.09.03 22:05:17 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:baltec1 wrote:It's also just a myth spouted by highsec. I'd say it's something more of a half truth. there is almost always fighting going on somewhere, but the blocs are large and cover a lot of territory. They tend to fight each other from time to time, but usually don't' commit too much to any one fight. Better to Evac than lose a ton of stuff. A small startup that tries to ninja sov can be successful, but the second the big guys decide to kick them out they can pretty easily. anyways there is still a ton of ratting/exploration going on almost all the time, and generally enough stability to export resulting loot drops to jita to sell. I was in the middle of a warzone late last year down in null and ratted in perfect peace and quiet 90% of the time. That's not a myth. I figure you can get near 99% uptime ratting in the middle of the really big nblocs |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
11
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:57:28 -
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Speaking of changes, didn't they make a change to T2 insurance payouts as well, or am I remembering incorrectly? |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:16:26 -
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So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... |
Paranoid Loyd
6833
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:31:29 -
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"Best" is subjective, it is certainly one of the more consistent ways. I prefer to make my isk by taking it from others, to me that is best, but also very inconsistent, then again, I don't have to PVE ever unless I choose to.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1578
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:01:42 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game...
I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
357
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:27:21 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms. Yup, you also don't have to muck about with stuff like loot (drone lands) or LP. Just pure unending isk fountain for as long as you can click warp to site. Biggest Isk injection this side of Incursions. Hell Blitzing Lv 4 missions might generate more wealth (solo) but it sometimes ends up being an isk sink believe it or not. If you have a lot of toons then you can make silly amounts per hour (around 60-80mill per toon per hour) out in null. Hell laser boats don't even need ammo hah. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:02:39 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms. Yup, you also don't have to muck about with stuff like loot (drone lands) or LP. Just pure unending isk fountain for as long as you can click warp to site. Biggest Isk injection this side of Incursions. Hell Blitzing Lv 4 missions might generate more wealth (solo) but it sometimes ends up being an isk sink believe it or not. If you have a lot of toons then you can make silly amounts per hour (around 60-80mill per toon per hour) out in null. Hell laser boats don't even need ammo hah.
I'd like to give this a try and see if it can compare to what I'm making grinding these SOE lev 4s. Do you happen to know of any good 0.0 corps that are recruiting? |
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