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Raven Lee
The Shadow Phoenix Fleet Provoke.
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:07:28 -
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I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:20:23 -
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Depends on the situation, as always.
It seems smooth enough on my '13 Air on Medium, so a new Pro should handle it well enough. At most, the retina resolution might be a bit OTT but you can just dial that down.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.03 11:22:23 -
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Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"? That laptop is definitely supported in any configuration you buy. Looking over the performance specs for the integrated GPU, it's hard to guess how it'll perform graphically. I'd say you'll probably get decent performance under conditions where you're just flying around, but it'll definitely not be a top performer in fleet fights and you may have to turn graphics settings down a bunch to make that case work well. You may also find things feel laggy when lots of particle clouds are on the screen.
Another detail to consider is that laptops with very compact form factors can have difficulty dissipating heat, and often throttle the processor for high-performance applications to ensure that the CPU and GPU don't suffer heat damage. Recent Apple laptops have been pretty good with this, but you may find that it affects EVE performance if you use the laptop in circumstances where vents are partially blocked or cooling isn't as efficient as it could be.
Hopefully someone with that exact model can chime in about specifics.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:06:09 -
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Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"?
I have one. The answer is no.
It was a Intel GPU which can't push that much out. The screen is 2,560x1,600. There is simply no way I can play the game on high, it lags too much.
I either need to run the settings on low, or medium if no fleet fights / Jita.
You can also lower the game resolution to help, but it doesn't look great at a non-native resolution.
There are a lot of positive things about a MacBook, but gaming isn't one of them.
You can see benchmarks here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-6100.125591.0.html
Almost every modern game is red across the board. Eve isn't tested, but take my word for it - don't buy this machine if you want to play Eve properly on it. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.09.03 12:24:19 -
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CCP Darwin wrote: Another detail to consider is that laptops with very compact form factors can have difficulty dissipating heat, and often throttle the processor for high-performance applications to ensure that the CPU and GPU don't suffer heat damage.
My Razer Blade would like a word with you
fake edit: I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but still
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:10:55 -
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Bumblefck wrote:My Razer Blade would like a word with you
you really do know how to make a girl go moist huh.
my dell xps keeps my cup of tea hot for hours :)
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afiz
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.09.03 15:30:32 -
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MBA Retina = Dont get it. You will not enjoy playing eve online, by lowering the resolution the game will not be optimally displayed.
I returned by MBA Retina and took over a MBA Regular just to play eve online
You could get the MB Pro with Retina it has a dedicated GPU which will make you enjoy retina + graphics.
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.09.03 20:46:27 -
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-ú1000+ for a 13" laptop with a low-end CPU, slightly above bare minimum RAM, limited storage, and an integrated GPU.
I suppose you'll look cool sat in Starbucks with a skinny latte typing your memoirs though.
Apple really does see you people coming.
#PCMasterRace
Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:27:00 -
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Just buy a PC not a mac. PC are designed for Gaming.
Macs are designed more for Video editing lol
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.09.03 23:51:33 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:Macs are designed more for Video editing lol
With a poverty spec CPU, only 8 GB of RAM, a 13" screen, and Intel onboard graphics, it won't be doing much of that either.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:04:19 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:Macs are designed more for Video editing lol
Only in the sense that they look good if you edit them into a video.
Apple has their Mac Pro workstation line for this, with Xeon CPUs and multiple workstation GPUs. They are ~slightly~ more expensive than a measly MBA though. They also look like designer-trashbins these days. Not commenting on that. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:27:14 -
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Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"? Mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13" here.
High settings are indeed possible. However, the performance is suboptimal. 20-30 fps just orbiting a station. You can tweak certain settings lower than max and bump it up a bit without too much visual loss (shaders are very heavy) but for the most part, I run at lowest available settings.
Also, I've seen a regular dip in performance of other things on the Mac client as well throughout the last few patches. Certain weird quirks that actually make me decide how to time opening the contracts or market window.
Not sure how much the performance has improved in the last few years, but I don't feel it's getting significantly better. |
Zeus Cronus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:32:59 -
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2015 MBP Retina with 16 gb ram runs high settings just fine, but I was hauling at the time, so no idea how well it would work in other settings. |
who1 eva
KEQ Industrial Complex ROFL Citizens
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Posted - 2015.09.04 00:51:12 -
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I have a 2015 MBP Retina and was having all sorts of serious overheating-related freezes that only went away once I installed fan control software and set it to maximum and reduced all of the graphics settings in Eve to the minimum. For trading it's a setup that works fine...
(I am pretty sure it was overheating because the CPU temperature was gradually rising until it hit 82-83C and then EVE would freeze hard. Now that I have chosen minimum settings, it never goes above 77-78C and everything is ok). |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:23:06 -
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Please, keep any discussion about the relative merits of Mac vs. Windows configurations limited to concrete facts. The Internet has been full of the subjective end of that argument for its entire existence and doesn't need more.
In regard to EVE's performance on the Mac, we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:38:19 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:...we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this.
Well Apple haven't managed it yet, so good luck
The "concrete facts" are that the OP wants to spend -ú1000+ on a laptop that will run Eve about as well as a 6-7 year old Windows laptop of a similar price.
For example, my spare laptop, a Core2 Duo T9300 Acer Aspire 6920G from 2008 is a fossil, but I can still run two clients on a mixture of low to medium settings @ 1920x1080.
Apple should probably be raising the bar a bit higher than that in 2015.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.04 03:12:17 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:Well Apple haven't managed it yet, so good luck Most of the issues surrounding Mac game performance have little to do with platform capability and more to do with how games are ported, which is in third-party developers' hands. We're acutely aware that the Mac EVE experience could be better and we're working to make it better. I wish I could offer specifics at this time, but we're not ready to do that.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.09.04 04:57:58 -
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what a garbage specs for 1200$ price tag....its good to be apple.
anywho want to play games buy game grade stuff simple. |
Die Unknown
Sanctuary of Shadows Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.09.04 04:59:00 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:Well Apple haven't managed it yet, so good luck Most of the issues surrounding Mac game performance have little to do with platform capability and more to do with how games are ported, which is in third-party developers' hands. We're acutely aware that the Mac EVE experience could be better and we're working to make it better. I wish I could offer specifics at this time, but we're not ready to do that.
Are there plans to make a decent Linux port?
I got myself a MacBook primarily because I need a unix environment. EVE is the only thing I need windows on my desktop for. I would love to go full unix. |
Die Unknown
Sanctuary of Shadows Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:02:10 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:what a garbage specs for 1200$ price tag....its good to be apple.
anywho want to play games buy game grade stuff simple.
It's worth it just for the trackpad tbh. I've yet to find a laptop to can match it. |
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:13:54 -
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Die Unknown wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:what a garbage specs for 1200$ price tag....its good to be apple.
anywho want to play games buy game grade stuff simple. It's worth it just for the trackpad tbh. I've yet to find a laptop to can match it.
No, not to me it does not i don't buy laptop for trackpad i do so for...other reasons.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:41:36 -
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Tippia wrote:Depends on the situation, as always.
It seems smooth enough on my '13 Air on Medium, so a new Pro should handle it well enough. At most, the retina resolution might be a bit OTT but you can just dial that down.
e: Oh, right. The 13" doesn't have a discrete gpu. That will probably limit how hard you can push some of the settings GÇö especially the post-processing ones. First Answer = Top Answer
I expect 1920x1080 to work well.
Retina: 2880x1800 errmmm...no But you cant read the letters well on a 15" mb pro. very small. You might want a mouse, but the touchpad works well.
I have a 2012 retina 15" (company machine) and it does fine. privat i have windows machines.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:50:25 -
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who1 eva wrote:I have a 2015 MBP Retina and was having all sorts of serious overheating-related freezes that only went away once I installed fan control software and set it to maximum and reduced all of the graphics settings in Eve to the minimum. For trading it's a setup that works fine...
(I am pretty sure it was overheating because the CPU temperature was gradually rising until it hit 82-83C and then EVE would freeze hard. Now that I have chosen minimum settings, it never goes above 77-78C and everything is ok).
I have a usb - fan - laptopcooler for that. A socket you put the laptop on. I bought that for a windows laptop.
http://www.saturn.de/mcs/product/_COOLER-MASTER-Notebook-K%C3%BChler-19-Zoll-NotePal-U3-PLUS,48352,1745672.html?langId=-3&gclid=CO6H0LnX3McCFc8aGwod4NALeA
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:10:34 -
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lol apple. PC master race even our generic laptops are better and cheaper than your overpriced TP holder.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:23:58 -
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when I look at laptop specs it seems hard to find a match for apple. the ones that seem to match come with awful cases and low res screens. Can't speak for the trackpads. I'm looking on newegg (maybe that is the problem? It used to be good but I haven't been looking for stuff in a while). the main competitor that seems to even be trying is lenovo, and they have a few that look pretty close. That and in a few years you can sell the macbook for not bad money.
I get my portable eve fix on a first gen surface pro. It makes me never want a low pixel density monitor again. Has an intel 4000 integrated for graphics, and a low clock speed i5. The intel integrated graphics are so much better than they used to be. It works for eve, not amazingly, but works. Then again eve will work on just about anything that is somewhat recent. I mostly used it to skill queue and did a few missions.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Kriegswurm
Kaer Industries
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:44:02 -
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Intel HD (5500 here) works pretty well performance wise, however on my ultrabook I have heating issues. Probably can be solved with good cooling pad. |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:55:25 -
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Word of advice - as an Apple fan boy and one who trys to follow up on the changes as much as I can.
If you can hold out for the new Intel chips and integrated GPU do so. If not, invest in more system ram - integrated GPUs use your internal ram - the more the merrier.
I run EVE on my iMac with 512MB of ram - I run low settings and zoomed out. EVE is plenty pretty this way and no major issues with graphics.
@ CCP, is it possible for some of Mac players to get on a test server and help you all work through these issues. p.s. - could the launcher be updated someday soon(tm) to allow us to pick the server.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:18:46 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:when I look at laptop specs it seems hard to find a match for apple. the ones that seem to match come with awful cases and low res screens. Can't speak for the trackpads. I'm looking on newegg (maybe that is the problem? It used to be good but I haven't been looking for stuff in a while). the main competitor that seems to even be trying is lenovo, and they have a few that look pretty close. That and in a few years you can sell the macbook for not bad money.
I get my portable eve fix on a first gen surface pro. It makes me never want a low pixel density monitor again. Has an intel 4000 integrated for graphics, and a low clock speed i5. The intel integrated graphics are so much better than they used to be. It works for eve, not amazingly, but works. Then again eve will work on just about anything that is somewhat recent. I mostly used it to skill queue and did a few missions. You're not looking then because there are some superior options for the same money if you are focused on screens and cases.
I do admit mac book pros have some solid cases that can take some abuse. Cooling for the internals on the other hand......
I've had a dell inspiron 7520 that I got for half off years ago (brand new). I opened it up and replaced the thermal paste as generally OEMs are pretty bad at applying thermal paste properly. My machine was actually pretty well done which surprised me. Regardless assuming I'm not blocking vents it can run games with full "turbo" on the intel CPU.
Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty? |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:34:09 -
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Kriegswurm wrote:Probably can be solved with good cooling pad. I used to have one of those. It did lower the gpu temperature by about 5C (so down to about 80C), but the case was still uncomfortably hot. My cooling pad my have been crap, though.
Kronos probably saved my laptop's life, thanks ccp
Kinete Jenius wrote:Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty? Almost certainly. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:39:25 -
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Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"?
no, it will get way too hot, like burning, it will damage your mac battery as well as your Keyboard will bend, just Forget it... I tried... you could think about installing Windows on your mac and try it with the Windows Client, I heard that will make it not glow at least but still, somehow not the ideal sollution
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