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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:48:46 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:lol apple. PC master race even our generic laptops are better and cheaper than your overpriced TP holder.
its about the operating system
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2015.09.04 09:55:44 -
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It's not the operating system, it's the game. Eve isn't and will probably never be a native OSX game, so it will always be behind in performance on OSX.
However, that doesn't change the fact, that the hardware in that MBA is weak (especially for that price tag, but we aren't allowed to rant about that). Eve will not run reliably at high settings, no matter if you use Mac or Windows. It has a dual core i5 and no dedicated graphics card for a price of 1200Gé¼/$. On windows you might be able to squeeze out enjoyable FPS at high settings when nothing but your ship is on the screen, but that's about it.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1445
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:03:59 -
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I gave up my life in macs when i decided i liked to do a bit gaming, but a macbook air will always have high price tags because they are made for portability not gaming just like all ultrabooks.
personally i would just buy a 15" dell xps with a dedicated graphics card if you want to play any sort of game
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25903
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:12:49 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why does the operating system matter to an average computer user? (because most mac users these days are average computer users). the operating system cant be that great if it cant play games which user wants it to Because it gets out of the way and offers a more intuitive experience than the increasingly schizophrenic Windows UI does. The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1445
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:24:40 -
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Tippia wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why does the operating system matter to an average computer user? (because most mac users these days are average computer users). the operating system cant be that great if it cant play games which user wants it to Because it gets out of the way and offers a more intuitive experience than the increasingly schizophrenic Windows UI does. The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever.
dont get me wrong ive used macs all my life for design work, they are nice and a quad xeon macpro is a total beast, but i now use windows which i cant really fault, i dont get the hype with osx because windows 7 is a great os too.
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Durka Time
10
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:35:54 -
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If you can, go for the 15" rMBP. I have 2015 13" rMBP and it is OK but runs really hot when running EVE, the better graphics & ventilation on 15" will help a lot |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:36:20 -
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Tippia wrote:The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever. The best pc OS ever was obviously TOS. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25903
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Posted - 2015.09.04 11:29:43 -
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beakerax wrote:Tippia wrote:The greatness of the operating system is not contingent on its ability to play games. If it were, Orbis OS would be the best OS ever. The best pc OS ever was obviously TOS. Well, yes, but it's been lagging behind a bit on the hardware support frontGǪ
Lan Wang wrote: i dont get the hype with osx because windows 7 is a great os too. That's just because you haven't geeked out on Automator and AppleScript.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
942
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Posted - 2015.09.04 13:30:39 -
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La Rynx wrote:who1 eva wrote:I have a 2015 MBP Retina and was having all sorts of serious overheating-related freezes that only went away once I installed fan control software and set it to maximum and reduced all of the graphics settings in Eve to the minimum. For trading it's a setup that works fine...
(I am pretty sure it was overheating because the CPU temperature was gradually rising until it hit 82-83C and then EVE would freeze hard. Now that I have chosen minimum settings, it never goes above 77-78C and everything is ok). I have a usb - fan - laptopcooler for that. A socket you put the laptop on. I bought that for a windows laptop. http://www.saturn.de/mcs/product/_COOLER-MASTER-Notebook-K%C3%BChler-19-Zoll-NotePal-U3-PLUS,48352,1745672.html?langId=-3&gclid=CO6H0LnX3McCFc8aGwod4NALeA
I have cooler as well but i use it just to separate laptop from hotel bed so i dont block built in vents.it is cooler master as well and after some 6hr of heavy burn in temps constant regardless does i turn cooler on or of while that same cooler will cool my gf low end machines for at least 5-8c.
What im trying to say is if your machine cant cool it self down on its own you shouldnt use it like thatat all because cooler is more masking a problem than help fix it machine will still melt it self at the end faster then you just respect what laptop is for.
Il repeat my self want to play games buy gear for games not fashion statment.
And that apple thingy can be all the things but what it cant be is gaming/high end laptop,it just cost close to one. |
Flynn Fetladral
Alekhine's Gun The Periphery
557
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Posted - 2015.09.04 15:06:15 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"? That laptop is definitely supported in any configuration you buy. Looking over the performance specs for the integrated GPU, it's hard to guess how it'll perform graphically. I'd say you'll probably get decent performance under conditions where you're just flying around, but it'll definitely not be a top performer in fleet fights and you may have to turn graphics settings down a bunch to make that case work well. You may also find things feel laggy when lots of particle clouds are on the screen. Another detail to consider is that laptops with very compact form factors can have difficulty dissipating heat, and often throttle the processor for high-performance applications to ensure that the CPU and GPU don't suffer heat damage. Recent Apple laptops have been pretty good with this, but you may find that it affects EVE performance if you use the laptop in circumstances where vents are partially blocked or cooling isn't as efficient as it could be. Hopefully someone with that exact model can chime in about specifics. Edit: I've played EVE on much slower Mac laptops over the last few years, and it's definitely been playable. I very much doubt that I had everything set to "high," however.
IGÇÖm running the client on a 2014 MBP 15GÇ¥ stock top of the range config. And IGÇÖm able to run the client in High graphics though things like HDR and stuff turned off. Game runs smooth. The only thing I find that seems to be a little laggy is when you jump gates and see the new jump tunnel effect, it can stutter a little.
_My mother was a thukker, my father was an elderberry! _- @flynnfetladral on Twitter!
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Arla Sarain
635
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Posted - 2015.09.04 15:45:21 -
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Must it absolutely be a macbook?
xmg sells top notch laptops. For the price of -ú1k you will get a laptop loaded with GTX980m and i7 4*** CPU that will be overkill for EVE:O. I can relate to needing a laptop. But a macbook? |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
266
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Posted - 2015.09.04 15:47:38 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:Well Apple haven't managed it yet, so good luck Most of the issues surrounding Mac game performance have little to do with platform capability and more to do with how games are ported, which is in third-party developers' hands. We're acutely aware that the Mac EVE experience could be better and we're working to make it better. I wish I could offer specifics at this time, but we're not ready to do that.
Darwin, understand these comments are not directed at you but are meant about your GÇÿpartnersGÇÖ that port the game. Hell theyGÇÖre not even really directed at CCP other than the willingness to let your partners give you this type of service.
So putting this statement into context just so the OP knows what they are getting into. Some of these bugs are rather major and have been known by CCP for literally 4-5 months respectively (and a few for a couple of years) and after the first round of can not GÇ£offer specifics at this timeGÇ¥ on when those bugs will get fixed, you will eventually get the same response months latter like this while the bugs continue until you forget they are bugs anymore. Mac bugs become features.
You will also at this time not be getting the same graphic quality of the game either. A lot of new graphic improvements for some time now do not work on the mac client. CCP also knows this and can not GÇÿoffer specifics at this timeGÇ¥ on those either.
Basically the game will work on a mac and probably the one you want too (others have described the specs better, it is a bit weak) so if thatGÇÖs the computer you want go with it, unless your buying a game specific platform donGÇÖt let a game decide for you what computer to get. But you will not have the same GÇÿeve experienceGÇÖ as the PC players. A lot of stuff just doesnGÇÖt work or run smoothly on the Macs. We have a joke on coms where we all finish the sentence GÇ£IGÇÖm on a macGÇ¥ as to why someone canGÇÖt do something in fleet as fast or as well as the PC guys (or just drops out completely). But donGÇÖt worry CCP knows about these problems but can not GÇ£offer specifics at this timeGÇ¥ when theyGÇÖGÇÖ be fixed by their partners.
Just be ready for that and it'll all be fine. |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1126
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Posted - 2015.09.04 16:01:49 -
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I have removed a troll post and one quoting it.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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who1 eva
KEQ Industrial Complex ROFL Citizens
6
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Posted - 2015.09.04 21:19:30 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Please, keep any discussion about the relative merits of Mac vs. Windows configurations limited to concrete facts. The Internet has been full of the subjective end of that argument for its entire existence and doesn't need more.
In regard to EVE's performance on the Mac, we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this.
Thank you, that's great to hear!!! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1593
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:03:01 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:You're not looking then because there are some superior options for the same money if you are focused on screens and cases.
I do admit mac book pros have some solid cases that can take some abuse. Cooling for the internals on the other hand......
I've had a dell inspiron 7520 that I got for half off years ago (brand new). I opened it up and replaced the thermal paste as generally OEMs are pretty bad at applying thermal paste properly. My machine was actually pretty well done which surprised me. Regardless assuming I'm not blocking vents it can run games with full "turbo" on the intel CPU.
Does doing that to a Macbook still void the warranty? people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.
@ChainsawPlankto
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
234
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:21:46 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:-ú1000+ for a 13" laptop with a low-end CPU, slightly above bare minimum RAM, limited storage, and an integrated GPU.
I suppose you'll look cool sat in Starbucks with a skinny latte typing your memoirs though.
Apple really does see you people coming.
#PCMasterRace
Yepp, blows my mind how people waste money on those...
We had a guy come in with one of those super slim mac laptops... stupid thing couldn't have anything plugged into and it BARELY ran the photo and video software needed. Cost him a bundle too.
I ran a few MSI gaming laptops which worked fantasticly well and at a HUGE reduce in cost. At home i run a Alienware X51. 3 LED 30" monitors, every setting set to high, never got lag, even when we running fleet maneuvers with the rest of the Imperium.
Been around since the beginning.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
668
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:49:37 -
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You and your laptops...Nothing can beat an Ultra High Desktop PC. If you want to play with 10 EVE Clients on MAX thats the true power!
Laptops were designed to be mobile and for business (remember the first ones), putting graphics cards and everything else to satisfy gamers is a perversion, made for profit. Take Alienware for example - can't go anywhere without the charger next to you, its like carrying a nuclar plant in your backpack. Kinda makes it a desktop PC if it's always plugged in, right? Only plus is you move it easier around...but don't listen to me, I am just thinking out loud. I guess it's prestige to own one...
I have my desktop PC for gaming (and old one and can still play on High), and my laptop for everything else. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
234
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Posted - 2015.09.05 03:40:16 -
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u3pog wrote:You and your laptops...Nothing can beat an Ultra High Desktop PC. If you want to play with 10 EVE Clients on MAX thats the true power!
Laptops were designed to be mobile and for business (remember the first ones), putting graphics cards and everything else to satisfy gamers is a perversion, made for profit. Take Alienware for example - can't go anywhere without the charger next to you, its like carrying a nuclar plant in your backpack. Kinda makes it a desktop PC if it's always plugged in, right? Only plus is you move it easier around...but don't listen to me, I am just thinking out loud. I guess it's prestige to own one...
I have my desktop PC for gaming (and old one and can still play on High), and my laptop for everything else.
Haha i remember my old alienware gaming laptop back in 2006. Charger was bigger than a brick... much bigger!
Been around since the beginning.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2015.09.05 05:30:14 -
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La Rynx wrote:First Answer = Top Answer
I expect 1920x1080 to work well.
Retina: 2880x1800 errmmm...no But you cant read the letters well on a 15" mb pro. very small. You might want a mouse, but the touchpad works well.
I have a 2012 retina 15" (company machine) and it does fine. privat i have windows machines. This is the issue I have with laptops. AT 1920x1080 with a 15 inch screen things can be tiny. Higher resolutions are pretty much wasted on such a small screen.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote: people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.
I have no motivation to provide you with information that you could find for yourself via some google searches. I have far too much on my plate right now to dedicate much more time then what I used to make this post.
Since I'm feeling nice here's a link to get you started.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2015.09.05 06:42:16 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote: This is the issue I have with laptops. AT 1920x1080 with a 15 inch screen things can be tiny. Higher resolutions are pretty much wasted on such a small screen.
If thats tiny, just try the retina resolution...
@the "pc-is-best-guys"
please keep it for your self. one could say youre just envy.
This "my red" is better than "your blue". Or minus is better than plus, is only boring.
Obviously one thing is true. Macusers have more money than you guys!
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2015.09.05 06:47:41 -
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u3pog wrote:Only plus is you move it easier around
This is the ONLY thing, they where designed at the first place. Taking your work with you all the time.
I remember the first portables well.
Now they have portable batteries (run without to be plugged in) and still have power to play with.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1596
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Posted - 2015.09.05 08:51:44 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: people keep saying there are better options, but almost no one has given any info on said better options. Also many seem to be referencing the MBA, where the OP is saying MBP (and I think some might be looking at the macbook, which seems to be a design stunt more than anything). No clue on the warranty aspect. I do almost all my eve on a desktop, on mobile if I can log in and change skills that is about all I want, and the intel integrated cards can manage that.
I have no motivation to provide you with information that you could find for yourself via some google searches. I have far too much on my plate right now to dedicate much more time then what I used to make this post. Since I'm feeling nice here's a link to get you started. http://forum.notebookreview.com/ For example. An Asus ZenBook Pro UX501JW is in the same price range and has far better hardware. A very nice laptop and it appears to be ~$1500, which is more expensive than the base macbook at ~$1300. Which is probably why I never saw it, also that model doesn't look to be on newegg (apparently out of stock). At a glance it looks to be competitive with the $2500 mac book. The nice thing about apple is they don't do cheap stuff, the problem however, when you start going up in specs the costs get insane.
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a newbie
Inner Shadow Did he say Jump
49
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Posted - 2015.09.06 02:00:32 -
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Adding my two cents..
Apple MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2013) Intel i7 2.6 Quad 16 GB DDR3 1600 1TB SSD Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB Nvidia GTX 750M 2048 MB
I run a custom app called SetRes (just a bash script converted to clickable app) that allows me to run my MacBook in native res (2880x1800) and I can run EVE well enough with middle of the road settings when piping it through my dedicated Nvidia card.
It can be hard to read for some, personally I love it because its awesome for information density, but turn it to low settings dropping most of the bling and then zoom far out, you can have nearly 100 targets on overview list but again, not everyone's eyes can read it well.
I basically stick to maintenance playing (mining, traveling, shopping, fitting, missioning, or intel gathering) when I am on the macbook, or pvp in rare case when I am over a friends house with laptop.
Otherwise I have a triple monitor setup running off my tower piped through both an Nvidia GTX 980 and GTX 750i.
Like nearly all games for some reason, battery life expectancy is about 1 hour. It lasts longer if game is windowed mode and less than full screen, but handling multiple clients can be too much even for my machine. Cmd tabbing or minimizing is the only to run both and even that is unreliable.
If you're going to play eve, understand you will likely need to have a power source readily available.
...um.. fire?
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a newbie
Inner Shadow Did he say Jump
49
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Posted - 2015.09.06 02:14:12 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: A very nice laptop and it appears to be ~$1500, which is more expensive than the base macbook at ~$1300. Which is probably why I never saw it, also that model doesn't look to be on newegg (apparently out of stock). At a glance it looks to be competitive with the $2500 mac book. The nice thing about apple is they don't do cheap stuff, the problem however, when you start going up in specs the costs get insane.
Yes the great thing about MacBook (any of the newer lineups) is the nearly 1300-1500/mb read/write speeds of their PCI-e drives. However frankly its nearly trivial on the MacBook (non pro) because the rest of the specs are preventative of you doing much on the machine that would require that kind of drive speeds.
The MacBook Pro benefits from it, however they have essentially hamstrung the video performance by going to the more heat intensive AMD video card for the newer models. I have been very happy with the previous years Nvidia integration.
The $1999 model MacBook Pro is our base model for new staff at my work if you are a developer. Comes standard with Intel Iris Pro Retina, a 2.2 GHz Intel i7 quad, 16GB DDR3 1600 memory, PCI-e 256 GB SSD, and Dual Wireless AC. Overall its a nice machine, the hard drive size costs an extra 300 to go up to the 512.
Considering how much I use mine, it was worth it to me to purchase the upper MBP with all hardware maxed out. This has allowed me to do lots of stuff for my work and studies such as run multiple VMs simultaneously as well as have capacity for my entire google drive 1TB volume.
But yeah.. it does get expensive fast.
...um.. fire?
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Dhoom Solaar
Sunns of Solaar
0
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Posted - 2015.09.06 10:15:19 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Raven Lee wrote:I'm planning to buy 13inch MacBook Pro Retina (2015), and is this laptop is good enough to run EVE smoothly while every options set to "high"? no, it will get way too hot, like burning, it will damage your mac battery as well as your Keyboard will bend, just Forget it... I tried... you could think about installing Windows on your mac and try it with the Windows Client, I heard that will make it not glow at least but still, somehow not the ideal sollution
eh, that's rubbish. Been playing eve on my MB Pro with most settings on high and little issues. It gets a bit laggy in trade hubs or when there's lots of rats around, but just turn some of the settings down to fix it.
The fan does get a bit louder but no heating issues so far, and certainly no bent keyboards.
Now, if only I could stretch the windowed client across two monitors... |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
47
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Posted - 2015.09.07 03:59:42 -
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If I had 2k+ to spend on a laptop, I'd get an MSI Titan, but I can see where something slightly more mobile than a 12 pound 18 inch behemoth might be desirable for most laptop use cases. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4627
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Posted - 2015.09.07 04:23:12 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:In regard to EVE's performance on the Mac, we're currently working on a number of bug fixes and improvements that should make the Mac a more appealing platform for the game. I can't, however, offer you a date for this. We appreciate all the teams efforts to-date!
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Pew Terror
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
227
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Posted - 2015.09.07 06:28:04 -
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Not running a mac here, but Win10 on an intel HD 5500 (slightly weaker then the 6100) in a low power laptop.
1080p: Eve is fine, max settings for PvE, min settings for PvP.
Everything above 1080p: Unplayable.
Even on a desktop you better get high resolution gaming out of your head unless you go all out on gfx performance (bare 4k min would be dual 980s id say). Screen resolution scales everything up exponentially. Just play at half native res and it will still look great.
Edit: To the topic of amount of money for a laptop: Specs are the least of my worries when it comes to laptops. Weight/keyboard/build quality scale all much higher when you use it for working. And the macs arent even that expensive any more. Comparable windows machines are a cool 10-20% more expensive then a MBP nowadays. |
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