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Bilboz
Death Glider's Legacy OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:13:00 -
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As we are begin afk cloaked camped for the 4 day now. A good debate has gone on over cloaking/greifing. As i hate nerfing in general my answer is to follow the real-life solution navys have used to deal with subs. CCP should put out a cruiser/battlecruiser hull'd ship designed to one purpose only..hunting cloaked ships thru use of mine deployment. these ship would use waypoints/celestrals to deploy a mine with a search radius of x.If a mine has a contact in that radius the mine goes off doing some amount of damage but disabling the cloak for a set period of time. Ok flame away.. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:24:00 -
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You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
133
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:26:00 -
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Sounds like a fun option. As long as this ship can only do what you described and cannot tackle on its own, I think it would be fair. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
338
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:27:00 -
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I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. I'm a ******* profanity filter that can catch **** and *****, but fuckin little else. -á
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Alexa Coates
LNTC
16
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:29:00 -
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we had mines.
they were removed for a reason. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
565
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:36:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.
This is illegal and a bannable offense.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
622
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:41:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
QFT.
If you've determined they are permanently AFK, than there is no reason to let them influence your activity. Previously AFK cloaking could be used to farm a plex, but now that CCP fixed that the only reason left for someone to be online for 4 days is just to psych someone out.
Ignore them and move on, and you'll be fine. If you're really so scared to risk doing anything with a cloaked ship in system, Eve probably isn't the game for you. Cloaky ships are everywhere for a whole host of reasons, there isn't much you can do if you're being stalked by a cloaky gang and they manage to get a jump on you anyways.
If you let them keep you from doing anything, you're letting them win. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
37
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:42:00 -
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The many cans tactic should be viable and not bannable. I cloak a lot and expect that kind of thing. Of all the things that you can get a ban for, that seems pretty stupid. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1993
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:46:00 -
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Solution in three simple steps:
1. Shoot the guy. 2. Pi+¦a Colada. 3. Get caught in the rain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
528
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:52:00 -
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Bilboz wrote:As we are begin afk cloaked camped for the 4 day now. A good debate has gone on over cloaking/greifing. As i hate nerfing in general my answer is to follow the real-life solution navys have used to deal with subs. CCP should put out a cruiser/battlecruiser hull'd ship designed to one purpose only..hunting cloaked ships thru use of mine deployment. these ship would use waypoints/celestrals to deploy a mine with a search radius of x.If a mine has a contact in that radius the mine goes off doing some amount of damage but disabling the cloak for a set period of time. Ok flame away..
I have Anaconda and Python mine BPOs.
Tell me how many you need of each and I'll start a production run.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
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Nahrud Zirud
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:52:00 -
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ive said this before and ill do it again first off this isnt the "ideas section" of the forums so i would post that there. secondly i would like to point out that all clocking devices would give of some for of ambient energy signal. if there was a skill called ohhh idk clocking dectection and the skill would allow you to pinpoint a location with "x" area per skill level up to "x" ammount then you have to hunt to final area out, would be a very fun and interesting way to tackle this.
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Boris Ginnungagap
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:52:00 -
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Seriously, why do you compare SCIFI MMORPG into naval warfare in 21th century earth? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
565
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:55:00 -
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Boris Ginnungagap wrote:Seriously, why do you compare SCIFI MMORPG into naval warfare in 21th century earth?
Its called military escalation.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:00:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. This is illegal and a bannable offense.
Its not. You can put as many containers as you please until it cause server side lag.. So go figure. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
391
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:03:00 -
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As someone suggested earlier, anchor cans around your gates. Those are your mines, the explosion happens when your prey bumps one and you alpha them. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:04:00 -
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Anyway..
install cyno jammer ... be in fleet and dont give a **** about some random cloacky thing.. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:05:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ? right ?,,
oh.. wait... |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
18
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:08:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ? right ?,, oh.. wait...
They can't because they require the knowledge to build one as well. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
566
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:14:00 -
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jsut be glad that stealth ships are not like real subs/.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:19:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:The many cans tactic should be viable and not bannable. I cloak a lot and expect that kind of thing. Of all the things that you can get a ban for, that seems pretty stupid.
It's not bannable....
Your allowed to create space debris to decloak ships. What your NOT allowed to do is create space debris to cause lag. The line between the two is a little hazy and up to GM judgement, but for the most part, using space debris is a legitimate tactic. |
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Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
163
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:25:00 -
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Solutions:
1. No local, no worries.
2. Be capable of defending your self. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:25:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:As someone suggested earlier, anchor cans around your gates. Those are your mines, the explosion happens when your prey bumps one and you alpha them.
That involves sitting multiple people on gates 23/7, where they will be bored out of their minds and simply refuse to spend their play time doing nothing. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
They don't, that's why these idiotic threads keep popping up.
What would be awesome, is whenever someone makes these threads, the next time they log in, their pod explodes randomly. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
435
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:46:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?
They don't, that's why these idiotic threads keep popping up. What would be awesome, is whenever someone makes these threads, the next time they log in, their pod explodes randomly.
Allow me to educate you.
And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
21
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:47:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Allow me to educate you.
And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust. A small but ever present risk?
In 0.0?
STOP THE PRESSES |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1998
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:49:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Allow me to educate you.
And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust. GǪwhich means the problem has nothing to do with AFK cloaking. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
134
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:50:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. This is illegal and a bannable offense. man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?
On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:01:00 -
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Pesky LaRue wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. This is illegal and a bannable offense. man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you? On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.
If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
504
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:06:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Pesky LaRue wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I got ya, here ya go:
0) Be prepared* 1) Get a hauler, 2) Fill it with 50 small containers, 3) Go to gate, 4) Jump, 5) Jettison all the containers 6) Wait for them to follow you, 7) ??? 8) Profit.
*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.
Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. This is illegal and a bannable offense. man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you? On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit. If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table.
Through observation the very, very rought gauge I use is:
Each ship on the scene is allowed up to five objects in space around it, be they drones (active or jettisoned), cargo containers, what ever. Apparently GMs are given large discretion in this issue, so in no way should that be considered an absolute.
Edit: Corpses used to make the most effective "decloaking mine". Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
567
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:13:00 -
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Okay did some eve searching here is the last interation of it as its a 'soft' rule.
"I would just like to stress that the point of this thread isn't to discuss what is allowed and what isn't, it's to advocate for a centralized repository of "the rules" so that players don't need to waste precious GM resources asking if they are allowed to drop decloaking cans or not (answer: it is allowed so long as it is not excessive, as determined on a per-case basis by the GM at hand)."
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103970#post103970
On the old forums this came up as a temporary bann offense back then.
Good indicator for when I am not spreading misinfomration when I am extremly prompt one line response that is not joking about the issue.
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