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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.06 01:32:03 -
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In far past I played eve but biomass my pilots and closed that account. Last night I got the urge to try EVE again and got 30 days trial + starter pack (extra 30 days + plex + 140 items).
At any rate focusing on Gallente and Gunnery I went to do SoE arc after I finished the 2 Military career agents and got my free catalyst.
Very low skills... some +1 implants nothing special...
Fit:
[Catalyst, Dagan Killer 1] F85 Peripheral Damage System I Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Small F-4a Ld-Sulfate Capacitor Charge Unit
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
the targeting rig was due to available stock in station. Electron guns due to my horrendous fitting skills at the time. Due to lack of slots for tanking and the fact my tank is based around armor rep I chose mid slot with a battery (couldn't use Cap Recharger yet) so I can squeeze some extra rep cycles before I need warp out.
Battle started by destroying quickly the frigates (his henchman) then Approaching Dagan at full speed using the AB. once under 1KM I turn off the AB to preserve cap and nuke him with my 167 whooping ( :-D) dps constant fire.
First round I warped out when he was at 50% armor. Second round I killed him.
very satisfying.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51845
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Posted - 2015.09.06 02:55:46 -
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Gratz, glad to hear low skilled players can complete the arc solo.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.09.06 03:36:12 -
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Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ...
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.06 03:59:12 -
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CCP really needs to buff Dagan so that at minimum you'll need at least 6 mill SP to take him on solo. |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
38
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Posted - 2015.09.06 07:14:45 -
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Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ...
I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE.
For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1602
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Posted - 2015.09.06 08:13:28 -
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Zihao wrote:Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ... I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE. For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players. sadly there are many that don't look for or accept advice. that said there are many things that are picked up along the way that new people might not think to ask about, and older players may not think to tell about. And things that mostly need to be learned by doing, watching help videos or reading about it in text just doesn't get it across, sometimes you just gotta go out and try it.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
195
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Posted - 2015.09.06 11:28:21 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Zihao wrote:Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ... I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE. For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players. sadly there are many that don't look for or accept advice. that said there are many things that are picked up along the way that new people might not think to ask about, and older players may not think to tell about. And things that mostly need to be learned by doing, watching help videos or reading about it in text just doesn't get it across, sometimes you just gotta go out and try it. Plus some people just give awful advice.
Will gank for food
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
195
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Posted - 2015.09.06 11:30:23 -
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interestingly the forum won't let me post. something about html.
Will gank for food
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
10
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Posted - 2015.09.06 12:19:08 -
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Killing Dagan solo as a new char is not about flying friend ship, but about understanding means of getting the edge of dps. That includes glass cannon setup, using short-range weapon, faction ammo or, in case of coercer, ditching racial weapon system for something more adequate (8 autocannons or blasters instead of lasers). Still, glad that you made it. |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.09.06 12:20:11 -
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I actually couldn't do it solo fully... I could but I was lazy...
there was one boss before Dagan (forgot the name) in Harbinger. the thing is I could kill him but he used NOS to dry my cap.
I could go and refit with Railguns and snipe him but some nice fellow came with frigate to help me and together we burned him quickly before our cap went dry. |
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
42
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Posted - 2015.09.06 15:37:11 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Zihao wrote:Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ... I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE. For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players. sadly there are many that don't look for or accept advice. that said there are many things that are picked up along the way that new people might not think to ask about, and older players may not think to tell about. And things that mostly need to be learned by doing, watching help videos or reading about it in text just doesn't get it across, sometimes you just gotta go out and try it. Plus some people just give awful advice.
You clearly missed my point. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
485
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Posted - 2015.09.06 16:05:06 -
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Zihao wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Zihao wrote:Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ... I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE. For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players. sadly there are many that don't look for or accept advice. that said there are many things that are picked up along the way that new people might not think to ask about, and older players may not think to tell about. And things that mostly need to be learned by doing, watching help videos or reading about it in text just doesn't get it across, sometimes you just gotta go out and try it. Plus some people just give awful advice. You clearly missed my point. Then why not try to clarify your point so that we can understand, instead of simply stating what is obvious to you.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
45
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Posted - 2015.09.06 16:33:06 -
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The point was, "oh those poor newbies wouldn't understand this," is not helpful. Was "opine," too hard to google or something? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.06 19:10:39 -
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Tarojan wrote:interestingly the forum won't let me post. something about html.
yea forums don't like characters like < > and /
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.06 19:33:20 -
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Zihao wrote:You clearly missed my point. I don't think I did. in most ways I agree with it. Many things can be learned, and I spend most of my time on the forums trying to help people out. There are still things that must be learned by playing the game. I could watch chessur's slicer video a 100 times, but chessur would still be a better slicer pilot.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.09.06 20:16:22 -
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Zihao wrote:Amber Starview wrote:Very different thing a player with low skill points and a new eve player with low skill points ... I used a similar setup at a week old and this is my first time in EVE. For what it's worth: You help us newbies a lot more by giving specific advice, like the OP, rather than opining that newbies are too stupid to emulate experienced players.
Wow how did u come to that conclusion from what I wrote ? you trying to troll me is lame
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
45
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Posted - 2015.09.06 21:26:56 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Zihao wrote:You clearly missed my point. I don't think I did. in most ways I agree with it. Many things can be learned, and I spend most of my time on the forums trying to help people out. There are still things that must be learned by playing the game. I could watch chessur's slicer video a 100 times, but chessur would still be a better slicer pilot.
I'm glad we agree, and I certainly don't disagree that you learn by doing, but you learn what to do by observing others, as well as trial and error. Returning to my original point: there's nothing fruitful about the observation that a new player and a veteran player are two different types of player, particularly because the implication is that said new player can attempt to emulate, but will never succeed in doing so.
Amber Starview wrote: Wow how did u come to that conclusion from what I wrote ? you trying to troll me is lame
I don't know how I'm trolling you. I just pointed out the OP put up some useful information and you derided it with a completely banal observation that helped nobody and only served to highlight your dim view of new players' abilities. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1480
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Posted - 2015.09.06 23:20:45 -
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Dagan is a relatively simple exercise is getting your DPS up. The ones that trick up new players are the neut guy mentioned above and a mission much earlier that webs and scrams and can kill players that get too close in ships with long range weapons, |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1609
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Posted - 2015.09.07 02:00:32 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Dagan is a relatively simple exercise is getting your DPS up. The ones that trick up new players are the neut guy mentioned above and a mission much earlier that webs and scrams and can kill players that get too close in ships with long range weapons, damn rogue drones. I had gotten complacent by that mission and missed the fact there were a few strain frigs mixed in. had I known to shoot them first it would have been easy. didn't want that thrasher anyways
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.09.07 02:08:03 -
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the drones seems to orbit just in the sweet spot for short range weapons I 1-shot most of them on that mission never even noticed they use EWAR at all. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1393
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Posted - 2015.09.07 10:04:52 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Tarojan wrote:interestingly the forum won't let me post. something about html. yea forums don't like characters like < > and /
///<>///
tie-fighter of doooooooom |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
409
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Posted - 2015.09.07 20:24:21 -
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Forum Toon wrote:In far past I played eve but biomass my pilots and closed that account. Last night I got the urge to try EVE again and got 30 days trial + starter pack (extra 30 days + plex + 140 items).
At any rate focusing on Gallente and Gunnery I went to do SoE arc after I finished the 2 Military career agents and got my free catalyst.
Very low skills... some +1 implants nothing special...
Fit:
[Catalyst, Dagan Killer 1] F85 Peripheral Damage System I Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Small F-4a Ld-Sulfate Capacitor Charge Unit
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
the targeting rig was due to available stock in station. Electron guns due to my horrendous fitting skills at the time. Due to lack of slots for tanking and the fact my tank is based around armor rep I chose mid slot with a battery (couldn't use Cap Recharger yet) so I can squeeze some extra rep cycles before I need warp out.
Battle started by destroying quickly the frigates (his henchman) then Approaching Dagan at full speed using the AB. once under 1KM I turn off the AB to preserve cap and nuke him with my 167 whooping ( :-D) dps constant fire.
First round I warped out when he was at 50% armor. Second round I killed him.
very satisfying.
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Nice. My own first character was about two weeks old and needed a Thorax to do this. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11642
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Posted - 2015.09.07 21:24:15 -
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I thought the entire point of degan was to get newbies to ask for help.
Better the Devil you know.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1613
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:51:25 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I thought the entire point of degan was to get newbies to ask for help. I think that is what the mission suggests you do, but it can be brute forced rather easily. That said to figure it out it is likely the newbie has to either ask for or look for some help, in which case I think it shows they are self sufficient enough to deal with most parts of Eve. although not sure if that is better or worse than potentially making a friend. but in other games how many randos have you teamed up with for something, and never said another thing to, for me that number is pretty dang high. I do have to find some sort of community at some point, but
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Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
868
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Posted - 2015.09.09 05:56:45 -
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Dagan wasn't that bad honestly, he doesn't do much damage and as a newbie I was able to tank it and though I couldn't break him on the first try, I kept toying with my fit to do more and more damage till I finally killed him.
It's that dude, Kristan Parthus or something like that (the BC rat that has a NOS). That guy messed me up so badly, I think I lost like 3 Merlins to him lol. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
441
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:30:26 -
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I remember doing this mission 4 years ago, though back then I couldn't solo it, so I got help from a Hyperion pilot.
If a new players are able to solo it, then congratz to them, they deserve some credit. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
632
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:01:43 -
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I killed Dagan at 1-2 weeks in a 150mm rail comet. Took me a few minutes of afk orbiting at 500 to break his tank, but not terribly challenging.
A gank fit catalyst even with low skills is going to be overkill. I think that Dagan could be used as a better learning experience for newbies. Make him hit harder at range so that low SP toons in small ships need to get under his guns; maybe have him MWD around grid so that you need to fit a scram to kill him quickly. If NPC's could be made to mimic drones (like the defensive drone flight a player BC would launch) that would be cool too.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.09.10 14:34:28 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Sometimes when they tell you just to look and return to base I guess it's for a reason.
Truer words were never spoken. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
410
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:25:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I thought the entire point of degan was to get newbies to ask for help.
For me, the point was more about learning to fit your ship correctly. Dagan schooled me several times until I went in with a uniform blaster-fit. Without him, I would probably have tried to mix long- and short-range weapons on my ships for months without noticing how bad this works in praxis. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1646
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:48:35 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Dagan wasn't that bad honestly, he doesn't do much damage and as a newbie I was able to tank it and though I couldn't break him on the first try, I kept toying with my fit to do more and more damage till I finally killed him.
It's that dude, Kristan Parthus or something like that (the BC rat that has a NOS). That guy messed me up so badly, I think I lost like 3 Merlins to him lol. I hardly remember that one, maybe I was just lucky using an AC fit, or maybe I had a cap booster?
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