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Johan Civire
Flux Technologies Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
965
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:22:41 -
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i ask my money back for all those years. Because the are making the bad dissensions and there are losing money its not my fault that the f*ck it up so i want my money back.
I dont ask for ftp game i ask to play my game when en how i want and thats it. The give me the tools i play it. If thats a problem some people need to reconsider there options in this game. Or play a other game. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1478
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:30:31 -
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Johan Civire wrote:i ask my money back for all those years. Because the are making the bad dissensions and there are losing money its not my fault that the f*ck it up so i want my money back.
I dont ask for ftp game i ask to play my game when en how i want and thats it. The give me the tools i play it. If thats a problem some people need to reconsider there options in this game. Or play a other game.
hmmm i dont think anyone gets subscription money back from previous months because the new vision of company does no longer appeal to your vision. the joy of subscriptions are you are not tied to a contract so if your unhappy go away and get over it because you wont get any money back for using the service for so many years.
i really hate entitled idiots like yourself
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
556
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Posted - 2015.09.09 15:09:39 -
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Asking for money back because current does not represent past is a strange point...
I mean if you were investing for futures instead of current returns, I can see the dilemma.
Lets take an example. Movies. How about the Matrix.
You pay for first one, cause is good.
Pay for second one and often can leave satisfied, but disappointed at cliffhanger ending.
Pay for third and many are disappointed.
Because the sequel is bad, you demand refund for being satisfied initially??? You got what you paid for...
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
13
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Posted - 2015.09.09 15:23:54 -
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Tweaker083 wrote:The reason it is not F2P keeps me playing. Cant imagine all the F2P Trolls in this game there would be and even more Jita spammers.... o.O
If you dont wanna pay money for it, play something else or get PLEX with ISK.
Pretty much, but the thing about PLEX is that the price has been increasing over the years (I only hear whispers of the time where it was around 350 million or something like that) precisely because more and more players have the capacity to accumulate funds at a fast enough pace to buy PLEX in bulk. For example, it's a cake-walk for anyone who regular runs Incursions to buy PLEX easy if they're good enough at it. |
Arla Sarain
643
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Posted - 2015.09.09 15:25:04 -
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You are not going to attract any new players to the game that's 12 years old and where access to piloting ships is time locked.
Why invest time skilling up to fly a Golem and other blingy top of the line or even the meta stuff, if the game might die any moment. Sure, we know it won't die spontaneously, but the newbro has no guarantee of that.
There is little trust that can be given to EVE.
There is little reason to start playing EvE now, outside of feeding your own curiosity. I've been here for almost 600days and I still can't fly T3Cs, only just trained up HAC and LOGI IV. Sure I could have gotten them sooner if I focused the training. But it's like "have sov or have fun". You either have fun exploring the innards of this game OR you chase everyone else, being part of a race you will never win.
You can't argue that "being PvP capable in a week old rifter" is an incentive to stay. It's merely an incentive to try out the game. With the span of 1 week how many newbros will find themselves in a situation where they are tackling something a rifter...? And apart from that, what else do they get to do apart from missions.
There is also the decade old argument about "instant gratification" or some BS, which seems as a biased concern coming solely from people who are worried that the time they invested will suddenly be largely devalued if other newer people didn't have to go through the same ****** "waiting game" ritual. |
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 15:49:39 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:You are not going to attract any new players to the game that's 12 years old and where access to piloting ships is time locked.
Why invest time skilling up to fly a Golem and other blingy top of the line or even the meta stuff, if the game might die any moment. Sure, we know it won't die spontaneously, but the newbro has no guarantee of that.
There is little trust that can be given to EVE.
There is little reason to start playing EvE now, outside of feeding your own curiosity. I've been here for almost 600days and I still can't fly T3Cs, only just trained up HAC and LOGI IV. Sure I could have gotten them sooner if I focused the training. But it's like "have sov or have fun". You either have fun exploring the innards of this game OR you chase everyone else, being part of a race you will never win.
You can't argue that "being PvP capable in a week old rifter" is an incentive to stay. It's merely an incentive to try out the game. With the span of 1 week how many newbros will find themselves in a situation where they are tackling something a rifter...? And apart from that, what else do they get to do apart from missions.
There is also the decade old argument about "instant gratification" or some BS, which seems as a biased concern coming solely from people who are worried that the time they invested will suddenly be largely devalued if other newer people didn't have to go through the same ****** "waiting game" ritual.
Yes most of the people that try the game leave about 95% a very specific player with a very specific type personality stays for more then 3 months.
The goal of the ideas on page 1 are to give the players an experience that will keep them excited and a little eye candy and emotional pay off running missions and continuing the story that is given in the intro movie and or hype video that my have inspired the download.
None of the ideas should "break" Eve Online, but I could be wrong. Some of the ideas are dedicated to older players to help newer players, and a new payoff for concurring null sec.
Other ideas are for people that are in the first stages of addiction to the product and want to accelerate the race but also dont want to be stuck with legacy history that comes from purchasing a character.
All the ideas have a financial upside for CCP, I feel the longer a new player continues to login the more chance they will find a gameplay style they will enjoy and be willing to pay for.
How do you feel about those ideas would they have helped enjoy the product more during the 1-3 months?
For the contributors to this thread, I would ask a few things open up the rookie chat help window and leave it open for a few days, contribute to helping new players or just watch the questions that come through, it should give you a better perspective on what new players experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26001
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:04:19 -
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Verstal wrote:The goal of the ideas on page 1 are to give the players an experience that will keep them excited and a little eye candy and emotional pay off running missions and continuing the story that is given in the intro movie and or hype video that my have inspired the download. The only way of doing that is to not run missions since they have nothing to do with the story GÇö they're just a way to regulate how fast currency is injected into the in-game market. EVE is not a game about consuming a narrative; it's about creating one. Missions GÇö indeed anything involving NPCs GÇö are in every way utterly and completely irrelevant to this end.
Quote:None of the ideas should "break" Eve Online, but I could be wrong. The whole idea of F2P GÇö you know, the topic of the thread GÇö would, as would many of the ideas you've suggested, in particular everything you label as GÇ£clean slateGÇ¥. The rest simply don't have anything to do with the topic you've now swung towards since they don't address any kind of new-player concern.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:19:38 -
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Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:The goal of the ideas on page 1 are to give the players an experience that will keep them excited and a little eye candy and emotional pay off running missions and continuing the story that is given in the intro movie and or hype video that my have inspired the download. The only way of doing that is to not run missions since they have nothing to do with the story GÇö they're just a way to regulate how fast currency is injected into the in-game market. EVE is not a game about consuming a narrative; it's about creating one. Missions GÇö indeed anything involving NPCs GÇö are in every way utterly and completely irrelevant to this end. Quote:None of the ideas should "break" Eve Online, but I could be wrong. The whole idea of F2P GÇö you know, the topic of the thread GÇö would, as would many of the ideas you've suggested, in particular everything you label as GÇ£clean slateGÇ¥. The rest simply don't have anything to do with the topic you've now swung towards since they don't address any kind of new-player concern.
How many years have you been playing the game?
Take a deep breath, take a large step back, and clear your mind of everything you know of Eve and look at the game with those eyes. You have taken your first step to being a game designer or game developer not just a consumer / player. Go watch Rookie chat for a few days like I have been.
When you start this game you have no idea about what NPC's contribute to the overall game. How could know by the information given?
I know you are smart person and have contributed a lot but your letting your own understanding of the game get in the way of seeing the game as new players do.
Trust me on this I have trained game designers for 15+ years, you have the components of that level of thinking, but a core to being a professional game designer / developer is taking what you know and throwing it away. Then looking at your product and or ideas with fresh eyes.
This is very hard to do for most people even me when I am in the heat of the battle. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26001
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:25:29 -
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Verstal wrote:How many years have you been playing the game?
Take a deep breath, take a large step back, and clear your mind of everything you know of Eve and look at the game with those eyes. You have taken your first step to being a game designer or game developer not just a consumer / player. Go watch Rookie chat for a few days like I have been. It's about the same as it has always been, except that new players have far more information and guidance GÇö in and out of game GÇö than ever before.
Quote:How could know by the information given? By reading up on the game for, oh, 5 minutes before starting to play. It's fairly obvious by how player activity is given all the focus every time the game is mentioned, especially in the huge splashy stories that make an international media impact.
Quote:Trust me on this I have trained game designers for 15+ years If these are the kinds of harmful ideas you come up with, and which you have taught them to come up with, they should probably ask for their money back.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:28:43 -
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Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:How many years have you been playing the game?
Take a deep breath, take a large step back, and clear your mind of everything you know of Eve and look at the game with those eyes. You have taken your first step to being a game designer or game developer not just a consumer / player. Go watch Rookie chat for a few days like I have been. It's about the same as it has always been, except that new players have far more information and guidance GÇö in and out of game GÇö than ever before. Quote:How could know by the information given? By reading up on the game for, oh, 5 minutes before starting to play. It's fairly obvious by how player activity is given all the focus every time the game is mentioned, especially in the huge splashy stories that make an international media impact. Quote:Trust me on this I have trained game designers for 15+ years If these are the kinds of harmful ideas you come up with, and which you have taught them to come up with, they should probably ask for their money back. You keep throwing out all these ideas without any consideration of whether or not they work for the purpose ofGǪ well, anything, really, but definitely for the purpose of making EVE a better game. The fundamental issue you seem to have missed is that EVE is a niche game. You also seem to have missed the fact that this isn't a bad thing.
Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26001
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:29:59 -
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Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:37:19 -
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Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are.
Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology.
I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that. Message below.
Quote:WARNING! Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26001
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:46:55 -
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Verstal wrote:Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology. GǪand catastrophically out of place in the game and poorly thought out.
Quote:I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that LMAO. Yeah, you know those development credentials you're trying to use as an argument forGǪ something?
You just gave them a classic Unforgiven-style gutshot followed by a swig of water.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:57:28 -
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VerstalI wrote: clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that. Message below. Quote:WARNING! Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were.
Are you new? This has been in place for YEARS. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2188
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:09:10 -
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Verstal wrote:Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are. Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology. I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that. Message below. Quote:WARNING! Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were.
You'd think that for how long that link has been Tippia's sig, CCP would of banned him if it actually was a keylogger... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26001
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:15:33 -
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Odie McCracken wrote:Are you new? This has been in place for YEARS. Now, now. It's only been, what? 5 years since the Audrey Bitoni spam wave, and 4 years since the new forums arrived (not counting the false start inGǪ was it early '11?).
Seems like yesterday.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:21:19 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Verstal wrote:Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are. Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology. I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that. Message below. Quote:WARNING! Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were. You'd think that for how long that link has been Tippia's sig, CCP would of banned him if it actually was a keylogger...
Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. I figured he could be posting to the thread so he could get his sig posted more often as click bait.
He has spent at least 5 years hunting noobs, Jesus. Lols no wonder he wants no changes to help new players. LOLS. At least I can move on now.
No more Tippia for me. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26002
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:25:04 -
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Verstal wrote:Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. Which corps are these, and what is the play style I'm using? Also, why would any of that have any impact on the attention you give to my contributions (much less to the contributions themselves)?
Quote:He has spent at least 5 years hunting noobs, Jesus. Troll harder.
Anyway. I think I can safely write this one of as an almost unprecedented crushing victory if my opponent admits defeat so thoroughly (if indirectly) as this.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
47
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:32:08 -
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Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. Which corps are these, and what is the play style I'm using? Also, why would any of that have any impact on the attention you give to my contributions (much less to the contributions themselves)? Quote:He has spent at least 5 years hunting noobs, Jesus. Troll harder. Anyway. I think I can safely write this one of as an almost unprecedented crushing victory if my opponent admits defeat as thoroughly and quickly (if indirectly) as this.
*off
Guys honestly don't even give Tippa a response or ammo, is sole purpose on these forums is to **** people off.
*waiting for witty Tippia retort..... |
Josef Djugashvilis
2985
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:45:56 -
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This thread has now become one about Tippia's ego.
Please get back on topic.
This is not a signature.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26002
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:47:22 -
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lilol' me wrote:Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. Which corps are these, and what is the play style I'm using? Also, why would any of that have any impact on the attention you give to my contributions (much less to the contributions themselves)? *off Nah. I feel they are entirely reasonable questions given his senseless and unreasoned dismissal of my posts, especially since it, along with the various ad hominems he chose to use, only seem to be there to cover up his inability to actually address the points I was making.
The fact that it happened so quickly GÇö going from GÇ£you're out of touchGÇ¥ to GÇ£you are a cyber-menaceGÇ¥ in less than half a dozen posts GÇö is what makes it an almost unavoidable conclusion that he just gave up on all attempts at discussion pretty much from the get-go. Meanwhile, his ideas remain either pointless or harmful, and also wholly unrelated to the original topic (since that one turned out to be a complete no-sell too).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:59:39 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This thread has now become one about Tippia's ego.
Please get back on topic.
Agree - I muted all her posts. Her interests in Eve are not on topic. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26002
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:12:49 -
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Verstal wrote:Agree - I muted all her posts. Her interests in Eve are not on topic.
GǪand yet you brought them up rather than stay on-topic. But sure, if you want to go back to talking about how EVE is incompatible with F2P then we can do that GÇö you just have to actually address the points being made rather than lash out against the person and generally make a fallacy showcase out of your posts.
Oh, and it's GÇ£hisGÇ¥ by the way.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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FunGu Arsten
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
95
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:24:16 -
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the only thing you must know is this
eve is a N+1 ( or +2) game -> free to play -> unlimited alts -> falcon/booster alts everywhere and unlimited amounts of gank accounts/alts with max SP.
now take your guns, press F1 and go make 2bil in a single day of pve -> buy plex and the ships for pvp.
IF that doesnt work, dont drink your slurpies,dranko,redbull,monster,megacaff+¬+¬lat+¬+¬ + cream and pay the month fee... it's not expensive (aslong as you enjoy this game)
now.. back to DEEZ PLEX PRICES ARE TOOO DAMN HIIGGHHH
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Aoife Fraoch
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire
133
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Posted - 2015.09.09 20:56:46 -
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Verstal wrote:Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are. Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology. I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that. Message below. Quote:WARNING! Hackers are spamming our forums with links leading to key-loggers/Trojans and then ruining the accounts of players that navigate to those links.
You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. Please check that the URL shown below is what you expected it to be before following it.
If you wish to proceed please click the link below, or press your browsers back button to return to where you were.
You must be new here. |
Prados
The Old Comrades Association A.W.A.C.S and Friends
2
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:16:55 -
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Verstal wrote: Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve?
Since the beta, and all your ideas break everything about the core design and vision of the game.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
204
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:27:35 -
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Kind of hoping ISD just closes this thread.
OP is obviously one of these "legend in his own mind" types who thinks he's a genius but of course has never actually put his own chips down and bet on it.
F2P is a terrible idea, vast majority of the EVE community appears to agree, go find another dead horse to whip on.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
48
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:37:21 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Kind of hoping ISD just closes this thread.
OP is obviously one of these "legend in his own mind" types who thinks he's a genius but of course has never actually put his own chips down and bet on it.
F2P is a terrible idea, vast majority of the EVE community appears to agree, go find another dead horse to whip on.
How about thinking instead free to play - free for noobs or new players. Slight change in your thinking and opening your mind might give you a better game with more people to do things with or to. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1486
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:39:46 -
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Verstal wrote:Deck Cadelanne wrote:Kind of hoping ISD just closes this thread.
OP is obviously one of these "legend in his own mind" types who thinks he's a genius but of course has never actually put his own chips down and bet on it.
F2P is a terrible idea, vast majority of the EVE community appears to agree, go find another dead horse to whip on. How about thinking instead free to play - free for noobs or new players. Slight change in your thinking and opening your mind might give you a better game with more people to do things with or to.
yeah that sounds great lets just all recycle characters to make isk and whatever else we need free alts to do topkek
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26006
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:40:12 -
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Verstal wrote:How about thinking instead free to play - free for noobs or new players. Slight change in your thinking and opening your mind might give you a better game with more people to do things with or to. How does it in any way make the game better, and what makes you think it'll actually bring in more people rather than just more alts?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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