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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
916
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Posted - 2015.09.10 22:29:41 -
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Setting aside the nonsensical stuff about standings in this topic... I would like to be able to delete unwanted LP from my journal. I'd like to be able to forfeit expeditions I'm not interested in and clear those out of my journal as well. Everything must be neat and tidy. Scrub scrub scrub. Squeaky clean. Everything squeaky clean. /OCD |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
604
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Posted - 2015.09.10 23:06:48 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Setting aside the nonsensical stuff about standings in this topic... I would like to be able to delete unwanted LP from my journal. I'd like to be able to forfeit expeditions I'm not interested in and clear those out of my journal as well. Everything must be neat and tidy. Scrub scrub scrub. Squeaky clean. Everything squeaky clean. /OCD
^This. I don't want a refund of "loose" LP, just to be able to at least sort the damn list a bit more. If I were to be a materialistic weasel in all this, I'd also like to ask for a "Right-click" option to set a waypoint to nearest station with that LP store.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
605
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:40:04 -
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Standings should be more important.
I'd like to get a 10.0 standing with the angel cartel and hang out with them in an asteroid belt.
Cloak inside of an anomaly and come out when the guy's tank is getting stressed to blow him up with zero interference from the angel ships cuz we're bros. |
Reiisha
Repracor Industries
765
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:52:31 -
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Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17018
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:21:17 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid. If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken. Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
If you ground 8.0 standings with 100!!! NPC corps... the only explaination I can think of for that is that for some bizarre reason you thought you needed 8.0 to even leave a clone you can jump to in a station.
I mean sure I'm laughing at you here, but I am also kind of horrified at the amount of effort you put into such a pointless goal (It was pointless even before the change.)
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11740
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:24:43 -
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Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread? Nothing, I think it's a cry for help more than anything else.
Better the Devil you know.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17020
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:29:13 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread? Nothing, I think it's a cry for help more than anything else.
I mean jeez I thought I was kind of overdoing it by having a total of... 8 or so hi sec corps to L4 standings across 4 characters on 2 accounts, just to make sure that I could easily relocate and have a fallback income source in hisec "just in case". And JC standings for the Angels corps are a sensible goal for someone who spends a bunch of time in Curse.
But 8.0 standings for a hundred NPC corps? I can't imagine how much time that must have taken. I don't want to try.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1654
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:31:33 -
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Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread? no standings requirement for jump clones from npc stations. which is honestly a nice quality of life thing for most people. and even though I have high standings to a decent number of corps, I prefer it the new way.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17021
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:36:32 -
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Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:14:49 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?
To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer.
Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful.
They could always add content to make standing with smaller corporations usefull, but comon lets face some facts.
CCP knows there is an overwhelming majority of players who PVE or mission run. The only new content these players have gotten in years is burner missions. Have they added other content for lowsec or nullsec, well yes of course.
If the majority of your playerbase does one thing, and you provide content for the others instead, who are you working for?
How does adding content for the few over the many help EVE?
The problem goes back to gross corruption of ideas due to their belief of what you should be doing. Not what you want to do, what they want you to do. Instead of making both option viable they have chosen, badly.
Yet the course continues with no thought to the majority of the playerbase without direction and little thought. When you ignore the majority of the players they move on, as i will im sure as this place is stagnant as always. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25034
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:29:17 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here? To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer. Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful. You screwed yourself by taking the hard road to jump clones. Jump clones have been easily obtained for years, by joining Estel Arador for 24 hours and using their standings to drop a JC pretty much anywhere in the universe.
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Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
3
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:50:08 -
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There is a way to provide feedback and ask/look for solutions to problems that come with a change in EVE. And there is: GIMME STUFF COS REASONS AND EVE WILL DIE IF I DON'T GET WHAT I WANT.
Ask yourself , what do you think is more constructive and which one do you belong to?
I am sorry but I am getting really tired of the : WE THE PPL DEMAND - attitude.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40058
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Posted - 2015.09.12 03:49:26 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy What content did CCP remove from you with nothing new?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26038
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Posted - 2015.09.12 09:39:24 -
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Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread? Nothing has change about LP; the only thing that has changed about standings is that you no longer need 8.0 to install a jump clone. The OP was under the belief that he needed a ton of corps in order to install his jump clones, when all he needed was one, from which he could install new clones and position as needed. Nothing was removed from the OP.
Sugar Smacks wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here? To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer. It's not complicated, no GÇö just senseless.
You needed one corp, at most, to 8.0 to have jump clones all over the place. Fewer if you were willing to use player services.
Quote:Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful. But you weren't screwed. You just didn't read up on the mechanics involved GÇö that's not something CCP can (or even should) compensate you for. You lost nothing. No content was removed from you. You made a mistake based on unfamiliarity of the game, and that's sad, but now you've learned a valuable lesson: figure out how stuff works before trying to mass-process it.
Also, so what if you have LP all over the place? With 100 corps, it's less than 50k LP, which isn't even worth any significant amount of ISK.
Quote:How does adding content for the few over the many help EVE? It helps in making the few increase in numbers and not just leave, since they've been left unattended and their problems unfixed for a very long time.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
384
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:36:49 -
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Tippia wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything. That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.
Life was so much better when we used salt as currency. At least that you could properly rub into wounds of your defeated enemies.
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:36:54 -
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As much as I love PVE and missions, and hope CCP will continue to give attention to PVE players in the game, I consider this a non-issue. It may be inconvenient on one end, but having access to Jump Clones anywhere sounds like a better deal than having to grind JUST for that. Maybe CCP should transfer all unusable LP to CONCORD or something, but that hardly merits so much anger. I'd rather not make the rest of the EVE community laugh at PVE players and marginalize them for getting so worked up about little things, and then when PVE really has an issue or is being neglected, it becomes a Boy-who-cried-wolf scenario. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
942
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Posted - 2015.09.13 04:14:42 -
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OP before you go i would appreciate you contracting your stuff to this char.
If so thanks. |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:02:10 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. you did what!?
To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up)
I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way.
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pyroxer reaper
Industrial School of Mining
0
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:12:42 -
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Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.
It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction
If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nive incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.
What id like to see Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to sent you a mail Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters) Tax rates gets lowered for trading ( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)
and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1676
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:37:08 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. you did what!? To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up) I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way. Probably quicker and easier to get faction standings to 5. I'm not sure how well that works for all the various factions, but can be done with many of them. that said way too much effort to balance all them imo, if I need to fix one group specifically I'm sure I can in rather short order.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
123
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:28:28 -
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Just from reading the front page
You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings.
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Amarisen Gream
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 07:25:21 -
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pyroxer reaper wrote:Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.
It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction
If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nice incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.
What id like to see Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to send you a mail Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters) Tax rates gets lowered for trading ( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)
and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things I agree that Standings could use more benefits kinda like this. Would have to work it out, though |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
124
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Posted - 2015.09.13 07:37:47 -
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Something else I posted before somewhere!
The LP stores are to similar in what the provide across their faction. Navy stores should supply the BPCs for the items. The other corps could provide racial materials used in those BPCs.
This would divid the ratters up as they would have to find a balance between farming for the BPCs and farming the materials needed to help produce the faction loot.
The customs office corps should have hybrid/other faction goods. I.e. I could run Fed Customs mission for their LP and buy BPCs for Caldari missiles.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26055
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Posted - 2015.09.13 08:44:05 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Just from reading the front page
You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings. They also had nothing to do with corp standings, LP, or the OP's mistake in grinding 100 different corps to 8.0.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Scope Works Dead Terrorists
1994
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Posted - 2015.09.13 09:14:22 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary... Actually this last patch has made PVE more relevant in eve than it ever has been before. Even the Imperium is staging mining ops.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3646
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:29:41 -
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Tippia wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything. That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings. In a way it does. You could go all over, missioning for everyone, to get standings with everyone, to get benefits of standings. You would cash in the LP as you went, but always ended up with small amounts left over. Now, with standings mostly irrelevant, there is no reason to do such missioning around. But you are still stuck with all this spare LP.
If he had known standings were going to be made irrelevant, he would have just stuck with one corp, and not had all this spare LP scattered about.
But... Its a small amount of LP. So, so what?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:02:53 -
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Maybe the OP was setting up a Jump Clone creation corp like Estel Arador? And now that idea has been thrashed? |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
472
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:29:35 -
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On the plus side that's 100 NPC corps with no ore reprocessing tax. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
15
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Posted - 2015.10.06 22:00:00 -
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I know it's the tangent, but it would be nice to have some kind of benefit to not only raising your standing with a single corp, but with multiple corps within a faction.
As it stands now the only time you should even consider going for 10/10 faction/corp standing is if you're a full on station trader, and even then you only really need to do it for a single corp. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
441
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Posted - 2015.10.07 08:29:55 -
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It's an OCD thing. I can sympathize. It would be nice to be able to convert or heck even just remove any and all LP under say, 1k LP. Either as a one time thing or as a mechanic in game. Hell I'd be happy with just a damn filter. |
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