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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
441
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:40:00 -
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I'm not sure why CCP seems surprised over the outrage and whining that has resulted from their loot fleets. Seems the inevitable outcome to me. Any person that doesn't feel they have the skillpoints, the PvP skills, the luck of the draw (on looting ships fast enough) or the social network to form an effective enough fleet is going to scream bloody murder. They're going to feel screwed out of the prizes.
I'm not participating at all in the loot fleet battles. But I'm not crying about them either. To the people that participate go the spoils. I'm not participating because I figure I'll end up losing far more than gaining. Plus, if I did participate and didn't get any loot, I'd feel peeved about the events (just like the people who are peeved but not participating.) So, I'm not participating, I'm not feeling annoyed. It's as easy as that.
Watching from the sidelines, reading all the rage and tears on the forums, it seems to me that CCP is a tad surprised at the vehemence of the responses, as if they didn't quite anticipate the outrage. That's really quite amusing. Can they really be that na+»ve?
If CCP wanted to limit the outrage, create a fairer system where everyone had a chance at loot, they would have run a lottery. "Hey, everyone, we're giving away 75 PLEX. We'll randomly raffle them off to any non-trial account created and paid for before December 07 2011." Boom! Who the heck can b*tch and moan about that? (I'm sure a couple people would find a way "This favours people with multiple accounts! Waugh!", but far fewer whiners overall.)
When you want to limit whining, think socialism. (In their real lives, Americans treat socialism like it's a plague rat, but they ****ing love it in their MMOs.)
-- from The CCP Loot Fleets - Na+»ve? (yes, a link to my blog; deal with it jive turkeys!) Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
17
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:43:00 -
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Are the dots on your head tattoos or spider bites? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
441
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:45:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Are the dots on your head tattoos or spider bites? Semen stains. An allergy. It clears up in a few days.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
532
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:50:00 -
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Seems Seaman's semen spurts spotty spooge.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
17
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:50:00 -
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Well that killed more than one theory I had. |
Handsome Hussein
204
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Semen stains. An allergy. It clears up in a few days. So Poetic is more than just "Space Barbie"... Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
130
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:47:00 -
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Steps to this post: 1. Reading OPs post 2. Saw familiar face of Poetic 3. Immediately stopped reading 4. Checked for link 5. Made this post Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Zarian Uphius
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
4
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:54:00 -
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CCP Ship Replacement plan:
Lose your ship becuase of a ingame bug but your wreck was looted before you got to it?
-tough luck we dont replace dropped items
But yet CCP will fly **** fit ships with crap tactics full of EPIC amounts of bling to inflate the market. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:01:00 -
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Zarian Uphius wrote:CCP Ship Replacement plan:
Lose your ship becuase of a ingame bug but your wreck was looted before you got to it?
-tough luck we dont replace dropped items
But yet CCP will fly **** fit ships with crap tactics full of EPIC amounts of bling to inflate the market.
CCP flew a fleet that was better than you will ever fly in. With tactics superior than Brick Squad have even thought about.
Enjoy your land of decrepid fairytales and broken rainbows.
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
61
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:01:00 -
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Zarian Uphius wrote:CCP Ship Replacement plan:
Lose your ship becuase of a ingame bug but your wreck was looted before you got to it?
-tough luck we dont replace dropped items
But yet CCP will fly **** fit ships with crap tactics full of EPIC amounts of bling to inflate the market.
Im no financial geneus, but more supply will drive down market prices. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:01:00 -
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Zarian Uphius wrote:CCP Ship Replacement plan:
Lose your ship becuase of a ingame bug but your wreck was looted before you got to it?
-tough luck we dont replace dropped items
But yet CCP will fly **** fit ships with crap tactics full of EPIC amounts of bling to inflate the market.
It's their market |
Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
57
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:02:00 -
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3 years ago these whiners weren't here because we were allowed to completely grief them out of the game. If CCp wants to dumb their game down to be accessible to more people than they can deal with the consequences. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
442
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:26:00 -
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Zarian Uphius wrote:But yet CCP will fly **** fit ships with crap tactics full of EPIC amounts of bling to inflate the market. The amount of loot that dropped from the CCP fleet would have a negligible effect on the market. It's peanuts compared to the amount of stuff that moves on a daily basis.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
442
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:29:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Steps to this post: 1. Reading OPs post 2. Pretending I didn't read it 3. Secretly admiring Poetic I fixed that for you.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
509
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:34:00 -
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Quote:I'm not participating because I figure I'll end up losing far more than gaining.
Yep, that pretty much says it all.
This is why you should refrain from commenting. You have no frame of reference for the words "because it's fun". Your motivations are purely driven by imaginary profit.
The only thing wrong with this event are the forum trolls that have finally squirmed their way into being anything other than laughed at as they were in the past.
Anyone with a ready insult to direct at CCP, or a childlike fixation with fake money, is given some modicum of attention now.
The EVE community used to be smarter than that. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
12
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:38:00 -
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If they didn't drop anything people would ***** about that too. If they dropped T1 mods people would ***** about that too. If they dropped T2 mods people would ***** about that too. If they dropped minerals people would ***** about that too. Anyone see a pattern here? Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-¬ |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
442
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:39:00 -
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I think what they are doing is fine. I've got no problem with it.
All I'm saying, if CCP doesn't want to get screamed at when they are actually trying to have some fun with their customers, they might try giving out the good loot via a lottery ... and have their fleet fun in ships with T1 and T2 modules.
I don't care either way ... unless they do hold a lottery and I win something ... then "F*** yeah!"
(I think it's great that CCP interacts with their customers in this way. I'm just a little sad that it has to bite them in the ass all the same. I wish people didn't have to be such dicks.)
:) Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
442
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:41:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:fake money It might be fake money, but it's not free fake money. We still have to earn it.
Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:I'm not participating because I figure I'll end up losing far more than gaining. Yep, that pretty much says it all. This is why you should refrain from commenting. You have no frame of reference for the words "because it's fun". Your motivations are purely driven by imaginary profit. Actually, I'm not bothering because of the first rule of EVE. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. I have expensive stuff to buy soon, and can't afford to be losing a bunch of ships right now, with no return.
People are misinterpreting the post. Read my comment above for clarification. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
15
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:45:00 -
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Bitcoins are serious business. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat -¬ |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
94
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:52:00 -
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Forum Fighter wrote:If they didn't drop anything people would ***** about that too. If they dropped T1 mods people would ***** about that too. If they dropped T2 mods people would ***** about that too. If they dropped minerals people would ***** about that too. Anyone see a pattern here?
This ^
People will whine because thats what they do. Poetic will find drama because thats what she do. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
443
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:56:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Poetic will find drama because thats what she do. Oh boo.
Quote:Essentially what you're saying is it's not a fair system. But when has EVE ever been fair? Scams? Asymmetrical combat? Non-consensual PVP?
I'm just doing the anthropological thing. I'm not on any side of the fence on this one.
The masses are fine with EVE not being fair when it is player versus player. When the company itself gets involved, the masses start to see inequity and favouritism. They start seeing aspects of T20 (even when the comparison is completely irrational.)
I think it's fantastic that CCP mucks it up with their customers like they do. I want them to continue. I don't want to see them roasted over the spit for this sort of interaction, because it will discourage them from such interaction in the future.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
510
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:59:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:fake money It might be fake money, but it's not free fake money. We still have to earn it. Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:I'm not participating because I figure I'll end up losing far more than gaining. Yep, that pretty much says it all. This is why you should refrain from commenting. You have no frame of reference for the words "because it's fun". Your motivations are purely driven by imaginary profit. Actually, I'm not bothering because of the first rule of EVE. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. I have expensive stuff to buy soon, and can't afford to be losing a bunch of ships right now, with no return. People are misinterpreting the post. Read my comment above for clarification.
I assume you mean the post where you say you think what they are doing is fine, that you have no problem with it.
The one that came after calling them na+»ve, and saying they should come up with a "fair" system like a lottery if they don't want people whining at them.
The term passive/aggressive comes to mind.
These events will be going on in various systems from time to time, the opportunity for the whiners to get organized and participate is there. People in most games would relish the chance to go up against the developers, and in truth most EVE players do.
So no, nobody is buying your innocent act. If you are going to do nothing but post snide comments and try to pretend your intent is simply to offer "helpful" suggestions, expect to get called on it.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.12.10 10:34:00 -
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What is this crap?
PL lost 20+ ships and could not beat the CCP Fleet initially (PL warped off field)
Only when 2 fleets dogpiled on CCP the tide turned and ultimately most of the CCP ships selfdestructed (the time they had reserved for the event was over - I guess they expected to get wtfpwned faster but didn't).
PL (and anyone else) got roughly nothing as the single "loot" ship wreck got popped. Nobody got anything out of it.
The event was done for fun. If you are too noob/socially inept to participate in large scale fleets, watch eve radio streams. These events are not "ISK pinatas". If you want ISK, go run missions or incursions, do not whine about some insignificantly small amounts of loot.
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Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2011.12.10 11:18:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:What is this crap?
PL lost 20+ ships and could not beat the CCP Fleet initially (PL warped off field)
Only when 2 fleets dogpiled on CCP the tide turned and ultimately most of the CCP ships selfdestructed (the time they had reserved for the event was over - I guess they expected to get wtfpwned faster but didn't).
PL (and anyone else) got roughly nothing as the single "loot" ship wreck got popped. Nobody got anything out of it.
The event was done for fun. If you are too noob/socially inept to participate in large scale fleets, watch eve radio streams. These events are not "ISK pinatas". If you want ISK, go run missions or incursions, do not whine about some insignificantly small amounts of loot.
The initial fight was very challenging and we exchanged blows back and forth pretty evenly but had a hard time breaking their tank on a consistent basis. After running low on ammo/booster charges we decided to regroup and get our 20 or so reinforcement fleet in to help. At the same time NCdot was on the way to engage with their own abaddon fleet. This is where my blackbird popped =(
Crap loot, but absolutely AMAZING fight. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
119
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Posted - 2011.12.10 11:26:00 -
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"All sound and fury signifying nothing." -Willie the Shake-
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
134
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Posted - 2011.12.10 11:29:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Steps to this post: 1. Reading OPs post 2. Saw familiar face of Poetic 3. Immediately stopped reading 4. Checked for link 5. Made this post
Quoted for the truth.. Lady Spank for C&P moderator. |
Ejit
STD contractors
18
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:21:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm not sure why CCP seems surprised over the outrage and whining that has resulted from their loot fleets. Seems the inevitable outcome to me. Any person that doesn't feel they have the skillpoints, the PvP skills, the luck of the draw (on looting ships fast enough) or the social network to form an effective enough fleet is going to scream bloody murder. They're going to feel screwed out of the prizes. I'm not participating at all in the loot fleet battles. But I'm not crying about them either. To the people that participate go the spoils. I'm not participating because I figure I'll end up losing far more than gaining. Plus, if I did participate and didn't get any loot, I'd feel peeved about the events (just like the people who are peeved but not participating.) So, I'm not participating, I'm not feeling annoyed. It's as easy as that. Watching from the sidelines, reading all the rage and tears on the forums, it seems to me that CCP is a tad surprised at the vehemence of the responses, as if they didn't quite anticipate the outrage. That's really quite amusing. Can they really be that na+»ve? If CCP wanted to limit the outrage, create a fairer system where everyone had a chance at loot, they would have run a lottery. "Hey, everyone, we're giving away 75 PLEX. We'll randomly raffle them off to any non-trial account created and paid for before December 07 2011." Boom! Who the heck can b*tch and moan about that? (I'm sure a couple people would find a way "This favours people with multiple accounts! Waugh!", but far fewer whiners overall.) When you want to limit whining, think socialism. (In their real lives, Americans treat socialism like it's a plague rat, but they ****ing love it in their MMOs.) -- from The CCP Loot Fleets - Na+»ve? (yes, a link to my blog; deal with it jive turkeys!)
You seem somewhat ill informed as to how current game mechanics clearly sway these "Loot Fleets" in favour of the larger ingame entities.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
344
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:02:00 -
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Bigot much?
I know lots of Americans that don't want socialism in any part of their lives. I think its pretty presumptuous of you to assume it's just the Americans and all Americans whining about it in MMOs.
But thank you for reinforcing my beliefs regarding the worth of any average idiot with an opinion and a blog on the internet. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
446
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:02:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:I know lots of Americans that don't want socialism in any part of their lives. It's funnier when the whining is coming from Americans. "Things aren't fair! The rich are just getting richer!" Duh. This is the guiding principle of your nation. You should be thrilled there's a game to mirror those values.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:20:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Bigot much?
I know lots of Americans that don't want socialism in any part of their lives. I think its pretty presumptuous of you to assume it's just the Americans and all Americans whining about it in MMOs.
But thank you for reinforcing my beliefs regarding the worth of any average idiot with an opinion and a blog on the internet.
Not to mention the current president is a socialist and there are many likeminded hipsters out there. It's best to stay away from generalizations in general.
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