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Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:53:11 -
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Alt ofanalt Spai wrote:Faife wrote:trivially, same comp same bans isn't proof of collusion or illegal. if you and your practice partner spar at least once with it, and you get the KMs, you both have full copies of that comp.
having said that, they're douchy tryhards, so ban them does a conversation with the team cpt that says .... man dont worry we threw that last match so we have more time to prepare........ count as proof?
sure, in fact let me write up a few of them right now |
Kadesh Priestess
This Game Is Terrible Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:12:04 -
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:18:58 -
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Alt ofanalt Spai wrote:does a conversation with the team cpt that says .... man dont worry we threw that last match so we have more time to prepare........ count as proof? If it's true, yes. But aside from an accusation (and now a denial from the team captain), no proof has been provided yet.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1821
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:21:55 -
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I have no doubt DHB doesn't have the purest motives. However, as you said he left of his own volition. He had no need to post this and did anyway. You claim the chatlog is BS. Are you then saying he faked the entire log?
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Creator of Burn Jita
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
73
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:03:35 -
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Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:The problem is the first punishment didn't work. The recent warning didn't work. The only thing that will work is a huge hammer to the face. I don't support actually banning anyone from the game. Banning from AT is a perfectly reasonable response. Not rewarding the behavior by seizing the ships is also perfectly reasonable.
Yes, everyone knew it was going on. The problem with getting caught is then the pain comes. If this was the first time this happened it might be easier to argue for no punishment. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. banning hasnt and never will work for the tournament. People just use alts and there's no way to prove they are. Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. They weren't clever? Everyone was openly trolling CCP the entire tournament every time one would come up in a match. They had to post before the tournament saying don't do this? I would think clever is flying under the radar completely. This wasn't clever. It wasn't even original.
they were clever. They took a calcualted risk, with a pretty high chance of paying off, with a pretty high chance of getting away with it. They got away with it completely last year, and made a hell of a lot of isk playing the gamble. There was no reason they wouldn't get away with it again considering this year's flimsy last minute rules clarification.
The fact remains, what they did was wrong. But banning them does absolutely nothing. They will be back next year, unless ccp fundamentally changes the way they have banned people in the past.
I refuse to make the argument they should get their prizes siezed completely. one of two things will happen if that's the case. Either CCP will drastically reduce the amount of tournament ships, making the ones we have incredibly valuable, or they will redistribute the ships to the other teams, making us far better off also. I won't make an argument based around that, because it shows self interest. There can be more than enough done to them without me looking as if i want to get an advantage out of this (which i dont). I just want to make the tournament better and more competative in the future. Hydra included. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1834
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:07:45 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:The problem is the first punishment didn't work. The recent warning didn't work. The only thing that will work is a huge hammer to the face. I don't support actually banning anyone from the game. Banning from AT is a perfectly reasonable response. Not rewarding the behavior by seizing the ships is also perfectly reasonable.
Yes, everyone knew it was going on. The problem with getting caught is then the pain comes. If this was the first time this happened it might be easier to argue for no punishment. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. banning hasnt and never will work for the tournament. People just use alts and there's no way to prove they are. Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. They weren't clever? Everyone was openly trolling CCP the entire tournament every time one would come up in a match. They had to post before the tournament saying don't do this? I would think clever is flying under the radar completely. This wasn't clever. It wasn't even original. they were clever. They took a calcualted risk, with a pretty high chance of paying off, with a pretty high chance of getting away with it. They got away with it completely last year, and made a hell of a lot of isk playing the gamble. There was no reason they wouldn't get away with it again considering this year's flimsy last minute rules clarification. The fact remains, what they did was wrong. But banning them does absolutely nothing. They will be back next year, unless ccp fundamentally changes the way they have banned people in the past. I refuse to make the argument they should get their prizes siezed completely. one of two things will happen if that's the case. Either CCP will drastically reduce the amount of tournament ships, making the ones we have incredibly valuable, or they will redistribute the ships to the other teams, making us far better off also. I won't make an argument based around that, because it shows self interest. There can be more than enough done to them without me looking as if i want to get an advantage out of this (which i dont). I just want to make the tournament better and more competative in the future. Hydra included.
That is exactly why punishment must be severe. It ain't their first time.
I actually like the taking theirs and you guys having the only ones. Or maybe just giving you guys 2nd place #s and reclaiming 1st and 3rd (obviously just give you the difference).
But at this point CCP has to come down like a sack of bricks. Otherwise, their warnings mean nothing. I am sure Hydra will try avoid any AT ban. I am also sure a army of internet detectives would relish the opportunity to out some later on. Yay drama!
Edit: Clarifying They = Hydra
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
155
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:11:03 -
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Aryth wrote:I have no doubt DHB doesn't have the purest motives. However, as you said he left of his own volition. He had no need to post this and did anyway. You claim the chatlog is BS. Are you then saying he faked the entire log?
Because if he did, would that not fall under impersonation? Or is that just a violation if it's a CCP employee? |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
75
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:16:29 -
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Dravyan wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:So lets see everyone on the teams banned from future AT's. All prizes siezed. We all knew they were Hydra A and Hydra B from the get go. CCP even knew but didn't have enough to do anything. Well, now you do and this isn't the first time this has happened.
If you want the AT to be anything but a farce you need to come down super hard. ...Everyone knew this was going on. We called it. I called it. I also said they played it very well, I stand by that. I sent CCP logibro a mail halfway through the tournament outlining what I thought was going on.... Let's go back to this for a second, because I find it ****ing astonishing. Was this an email or an evemail, can we see it?
I'd rather not make that public, as a courtesy to CCP. I mentioned it because logibro knows i sent it, I actually sent two over the span of two weeks about it. All I will say is the content was almost the same as what I posted in my OP, except included was my suspicions about what was going on, which match almost exactly to DHB's statement.
I know this isnt really good enough, but CCP can't act without proof. If they get that proof, I hope they take what I sent them into account. |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
75
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:19:15 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"?? This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously? Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters....
I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog.
I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap.. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1834
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:20:58 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"?? This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously? Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters.... I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog. I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap..
I dunno. This is pretty good drama.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
75
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:25:56 -
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Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"?? This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously? Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters.... I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog. I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap.. I dunno. This is pretty good drama.
Yeah it is, but then some of us care about the tournament too, and its not worth the frustration seeing this bullshit play out during the tournament, for the chance for a bit of hydra evasion trolling afterwards. |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:26:48 -
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Ruh Roh, chatlog removed by ISD |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:32:20 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Ruh Roh, chatlog removed by ISD
it's mirrored like 10 places, show some gumption |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
156
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:39:16 -
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Faife wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Ruh Roh, chatlog removed by ISD it's mirrored like 10 places, show some gumption
Who says reddit doesn't have a reason to exist? |
Dancul1001
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
54
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:43:25 -
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If this turns out to be true CCP better remove some ships, banning people from next years tourney doesnt do **** to combat the current problem plus its already happened to hydra in the past and that changed nothing |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:46:10 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Hahaha, people are really surprised....? no I'm not surprised, yet once one speaks the truth I want to see bans and max effort from CCP to make the tournament the way they pretend to (i.e. enforcing their B-team rule). Or remove all rules regarding meta play and see what happens. Quote:Nothing in eve is fair so what do you suggest? remove EULA all together, stop balancing things - Eve isn't fair.
I don't care what CCP does. It's clear they play favorites for players/corporations/alliances. And as far as fairness, Eve is a game that encourages its player base to cheat and exploit others. Doing this creates a certain culture in eve so good game to them for winning by any means needed. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1955
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:59:43 -
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Mr Rive wrote: Yeah it is, but then some of us care about the tournament too, and its not worth the frustration seeing this bullshit play out during the tournament, for the chance for a bit of hydra evasion trolling afterwards.
I agree -- the people involved should be exempt from the rules because of who they are.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Taraas Enko
Hax. Shadow Cartel
16
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:59:53 -
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I lost 20 bil betting on PL to win outright this is an out rage please refund my Isk |
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.15 02:12:04 -
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Taraas Enko wrote:I lost 20 bil betting on PL to win outright this is an out rage please refund my Isk
Please refund my moracha :( |
Manfred Sideous
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.15 02:33:43 -
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I have known DHB Wildcat since we befriended each other in late 2005. He was FC for Huzzah Federation and I was a FC for Firmus Ixion. Lots of spirited fights with fun and respectful banter in local. Did alot of roaming with Wildcat back in the day and then played together a long time when he was Burn Eden. This is what I know about Wildcat ( I say this with affection because he is a old friend) "Wildcat is the last of the Honorbound F#gg*ts left in EVE". Think it's sad that Hydra did the predictable SMEAR POST after Wildcat manned up and told the truth.
PS. Wildcat you have my vouch for PL.
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Manfred Sideous
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1239
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Posted - 2015.09.15 02:44:38 -
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Gonna poke Logibro with this but the proof is easy. Look at the item ID# on the Cambions & Malice fielded by Camel and just look where those items have been~
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MissBolyai
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
136
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Posted - 2015.09.15 02:47:17 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:Gonna poke Logibro with this but the proof is easy. Look at the item ID# on the Cambions & Malice fielded by Camel and just look where those items have been~ Go back to space student council, nerd.
jk, love you manny
but not jk, csm is worthless |
Makhpella
Bad Taste.
41
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Posted - 2015.09.15 03:17:40 -
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In Formula 1 this is common strategy.... thats why F1 sucks. |
Caligula Gaius Claudian
Futurikon Inc.
8
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Posted - 2015.09.15 04:51:44 -
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Waiting for Bluemelon's comments. He had an interview after the AT as a winnner side reoresentative describing what caused them to won this Tournament. Wonder if was "aware" of the deal, knowing his activity in consolidating at ships in his hands. |
Manfred Sideous
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1240
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Posted - 2015.09.15 04:55:36 -
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MissBolyai wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Gonna poke Logibro with this but the proof is easy. Look at the item ID# on the Cambions & Malice fielded by Camel and just look where those items have been~ Go back to space student council, nerd. jk, love you manny but not jk, csm is worthless
Was making the joke a few weeks ago to CCP Falcon: " The CSM is much like the CIA. The community knows all of our failures and none of our success's ".
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Dravyan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.09.15 05:28:30 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Dravyan wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:So lets see everyone on the teams banned from future AT's. All prizes siezed. We all knew they were Hydra A and Hydra B from the get go. CCP even knew but didn't have enough to do anything. Well, now you do and this isn't the first time this has happened.
If you want the AT to be anything but a farce you need to come down super hard. ...Everyone knew this was going on. We called it. I called it. I also said they played it very well, I stand by that. I sent CCP logibro a mail halfway through the tournament outlining what I thought was going on.... Let's go back to this for a second, because I find it ****ing astonishing. Was this an email or an evemail, can we see it? I'd rather not make that public, as a courtesy to CCP. I mentioned it because logibro knows i sent it, I actually sent two over the span of two weeks about it. All I will say is the content was almost the same as what I posted in my OP, except included was my suspicions about what was going on, which match almost exactly to DHB's statement. I know this isnt really good enough, but CCP can't act without proof. If they get that proof, I hope they take what I sent them into account.
I think it would probably be wise for CCP Logibro to be as transparent as possible on what was brought to his attention when and what was done with that information. The amount of punitive measures taken against "no shows", despite the light sanctions given to the current transgressors for previous cheating in the past, is a little disturbing. At some point you have to wonder if certain members of the CCP team are acting appropriately, and if its appropriate for them to stay employed. |
Mark Hadden
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.15 05:30:21 -
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AT is ****. Glad, I completely missed it this year, turns out it was for good haha. I'm also sure CCP will do nothing to fix it. Maybe its a better idea to completely scrap the tournament (after removing this year prizes all together), since prevention and investigation of stuff like described by DHB is almost impossible. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1392
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Posted - 2015.09.15 05:39:45 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it. so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"?? This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously? If I'm not completely mistaken it was PL that abused locator agents leaking ship information to cheat in past tournaments.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1962
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Posted - 2015.09.15 06:22:43 -
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So...both teams who share their prizes anyway, arranged the last fights of the AT?
How does that make sense? If the prizes are shared anyway, what's the point of going through all this trouble?
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2768
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Posted - 2015.09.15 06:38:30 -
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I feel like you're all being trolled really hard.
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