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Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:54:08 -
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Midori Neko-chan wrote:Pandemic (Sore) Losers best losers.
PL have the most AT ships available from this tournament as a result of whats happening. I'm sure any soreness from taking 3rd is being addressed with the increased value in the ships they're selling. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.17 05:37:51 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:I think CCP should investigate if there wasnt any foul play involved in the PL losses, losing againts both teams is pretty fishy since PL cant possibly be worse than Hydras.
The amount of desperate spin in your post is palpable. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.17 07:08:05 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: If you want to value everyone by the number of AT ships they currently hold, maybe.
I don't personally subscribe to that method of valuation.
It's valuing who is in a better situation in tangible and provable terms. You can screech all you want about the community being trolled, but at the moment the people doing the trolling have lost more than anyone.
Bad Bobby wrote: No, I claim to be a member of HYDRA and suggest this might be a pretty straightforward troll that has succeeded.
Succeeded in your alliance/group losing all your gains from the tournament and putting your rivals in a better position monetarily. Seems like a pretty dumb way to measure success. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:21:06 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Im not saying that, if they fixed matches i want them banned. Im saying a lot of pl guys are claiming that the working together as 1 team part is basicely the bad thing, but it is of no matter at all.
Actually that is part of the overarching problem with regards to how CCP are enforcing the rules as there's a case of double standards being applied either intentionally or unintentionally. For example: Waffles were denied entrance into the AT for years because they were affiliated with PL, despite having their own logistics support, financial independence, and so forth. The reason they were told they couldn't initially join the AT, and later were told they couldn't practices, share comps, or ships with PL's team, was because of the concern they would collude following Hydra's antics in ATIX. Then later on in another AT you have two teams competing comprised of Hydra members & corps (some of whome rejoined Hydra after the tournament) openly say they're sharing logistics, fleet comps, tactics, & even AT ships. It's sort of silly to say "you guys can't do this, but you guys totally can and that's a fair thing." It's one of the problems CCP needs to address with regards to how the AT is ran, since that "A & B Team" situation contributed to the match fixing that is the cause for this thread. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:14:40 -
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Yazoul Samaiel wrote:On the other hand goons whining about something they are terrible at as always
Hi, Yaz.
Why'd you get purged from PL?
Javeeik wrote: This:
Is a good point, but thats something for another year and a seperate issue CCP need to either address or not as they see fit.
Not really. It's a contributing factor to this current situation. CCP allowed a team to run an A & B team setup, share all sorts of assets & logistics, and so forth. That in turn is part of why the pre-arranged matches that are being alleged came about, the close proximity of two teams working together and sharing assets.
It's not as bad as when these same players involved in this issue thought having Hydra & Outbreak being in a singular corp on Sisi during testing for a previous AT was a totally OK thing to do. CCP banned them from competing that year when they found out, so we all know how well that works. These are all symptoms of the same problem; you shouldn't be allowed to field multiple teams from the same alliance solely for the AT, let alone be allowed to share everything under the sun save for pilots. Realistically, this is an issue CCP needs to address and prevent now rather than in a year.
Hell, there's even the insinuation that Garmon,who was supposedly permabanned for RMT, was logging in on an alt to play which is against the EULA/TOS when it comes to bypassing bans issued by CCP. Which if true, is comically dumb of Hydra to do.
In short, Hydra/Camels/Warlords knew they were cheating, got caught breaking AT rules for an alleged third time and are confused why they're not being coddled by CCP. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.19 17:08:35 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:In ATIX collusion was not against the rules. HYDRA practiced with Outbreak, we fixed matches, no rules were broken. In ATX HYDRA, Outbreak and YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT were all excluded from the tournament before it began. You can read the official post by CCP here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356138#post1356138. All three groups had their application fees returned and no further action was taken. Please note that YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT is a PL affiliated group, so any offense we can be accused of comitting in ATX can be equally leveled at PL, but in reality no actual offense was committed by any of these groups - they just were not eligible to enter the tournament that year due to a change in policy decided upon by CCP and acted upon at a very late stage. So there is no history of cheating in HYDRA. There is however a history of playing to the limit of the rules, in order to win, and occasionally being the victim of unfortunate CCP decisions. A history that we share with PL, our chief detractor.
"we fixed matches once and got caught breaking the rules the next year, but guys it's CCP making the bad decisions not us. You should also ignore that we recently got accused of cheating again and having our prize ships confiscated. Did you know Waffles & PL are from the same social group! They're cheating too! :reddit:" - Sad Bobby
You are either really dumb or just desperate. Probably a mix of both. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.20 21:45:29 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:No, just pointing out that your statement about our history was factually incorrect.
Yeah you're right, you only got caught twice including this current incident and that's totally different. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.21 04:57:19 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:No, we have never been caught cheating.
Yeah, no. You got caught cheating in the build up to ATX, which was why you were barred from competing that year. There has also been enough evidence of breaking the rules for the AT this year that CCP have decided to prevent your group access to the winnings.
That's not making things up, those are things that actually happened in the manner in which they happened. You can pretend they didn't but that would just be your cognitive dissonance. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:18:49 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Notice that it doesn't say "HYDRA, Outbreak and Waffles are cheating so we've banned them from the tournament". It doesn't say that because that isn't what happened.
It's adorable that after however many years you still think that two alliances merging into a corp and sharing assets, in which they shared no assets, logistics etc. is the same as an affiliated alliance like Waffles being wholly independent of PL when it comes to their assets & logistics for the AT.
Hint: They're not nor will they ever be.
Quote:An allegation that is not supported by anything other than hearsay at this time.
CCP haven't acted on hearsay though. They haven't even said anything about what sort of evidence they've received to prompt their investigation. So your claim is false. Please try to keep to the facts and not make things up.
Quote:Now your new interpretation is that the ATX verdict was a ruling that we were cheating and the ATXIII verdict (that hasn't even been given yet) is a ruling that we were cheating.
You don't get barred from competing because you didn't break the rules CCP laid out. They told Hydra/Outbreak they weren't allowed to merge into a singular corp for testing as that was against the rules, and they were breaking the rules.
I also said "allegedly" for this current situation, please try to read more carefully next time.
Quote:There is no history of cheating in HYDRA.
Except for that time you were barred for breaking the AT rules for ATX during testing, and right now while HYDRA members are being investigated for match fixing which is against the ATXIII rules. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:37:27 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:We were punished for that through the exclusion from ATX, which hit both of our teams, while CCP only decided to exclude one of yours. That's because they had a reason to be vengeful against HYDRA and no reason to be so against PL.
That's not the reason at all, and thinking it is supports the notion that you suffer from a victim complex. |
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Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:11:00 -
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Please provide evidence that CCP barring Hydra/Outbreak for violating rules was actually because they wanted vengeance for the match fixing in ATIX as you claimed.
I'll wait. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.23 18:59:41 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: Sure, I'll swap it for evidence that your opinion matters.
There's no need to be so upset at a simple request to prove a claim you made. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:19:29 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:That doesn't look like evidence to me.
I'm sorry you feel the need to resort to misogynistic behavior to try and shut down a female playing pointing out you have a tendency to cry about "we're the victims of CCP being unfair" several times while ignoring the reality of what happened. |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.09.28 16:56:16 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:As Dancul says, Logibro, the person who is handling this is a busy man.
It takes as long as it takes and it's important that it isn't rushed.
Why did you lie to everyone? |
Lovey Dovey
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Posted - 2015.10.06 19:17:05 -
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Captain Thunk wrote:Can we get a reaction from Bad Bobby to the recent development?
"There has never ever never ever never ever never ever EVER been any cheating in Hydra" |
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