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Stoffl
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.09.16 05:57:51 -
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WOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL O L O L O L O L O L O L O L |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:00:15 -
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Stoffl wrote:WOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL O L O L O L O L O L O L O L
L O L |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5835
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:28:39 -
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CCP, I have to say, you haven't been doing the right thing very often lately, but this is a definite step in the right direction. The only comment I'd make is on this statement:
CCP Logibro wrote:in case we find that rules have been broken in the tournament and we need to remove prizes.
All I have to ask is... can you please not pretend there's any other possibility?
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:48:09 -
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ty Logibro. I'm surprised about your quick action but penalizing any form of cheat in AT is the only way you can go. |
Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:48:44 -
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If there's no tangible evidence that foul play occurred that's demonstrable as fact, CCP have no other choice. They can't find a group guilty for something on the basis of an unverifiable log and some rabble-rousing. Though of course, if they find something then it's not a problem.
That said, I think they definately need to think carefully about rules on collusion for next year, if people can't trust the tournament then winning means nothing. |
Roti Rotineque
Dodixie Mining Corporation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:56:28 -
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Oh noez. I bought one price ship, and it is gone. Quitting eve right now... |
NYT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.16 07:37:47 -
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Lee Thrace wrote:
All based on a statement made by someone who waited until they had sold their own prizes to come forward. lol.
That's what Eve is all about: maximizing your own profit and then betraying your "friends."
All while being lauded as a hero, naturally! |
trenny jr
Hoplite Brigade Hashashin Cartel
12
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Posted - 2015.09.16 08:27:42 -
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Callduron wrote:Ripard Teg wrote: And all of that is assuming that Camel/Warlords didn't cross the line.
Part of the accusation is that they did cross the line. Quote:[8/29/2015 1:43:30 PM] Kadesh: Man it sucks we lost if only we had that great guy trenny Jr with us [8/29/2015 1:43:44 PM] Kadesh: he could lead us do victory [8/29/2015 1:43:57 PM] Kadesh: so we just have to try harder [8/29/2015 1:44:32 PM] Kadesh: I like my own farts http://evenews24.com/2015/09/14/warlords-of-the-deep-pilot-admits-foul-play-in-alliance-tournament-xiii
Yea cos text logs are solid evidence. |
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
68
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Posted - 2015.09.16 08:32:17 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:I joked on Reddit about another issue that if you tell EVE players where the Line That Must Not Be Crossed is, they'll edge up to that Line naked until one butt hair is over the line, then do an obscene dance right there until that butt hair is lasered off, all the while protesting their innocence that they have not crossed the Line.
I have no view either way on the issue in the OP but that quote from Ripard really gave me a good laugh while being spot on accurate too:)
Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
385
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Posted - 2015.09.16 08:58:29 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:I joked on Reddit about another issue that if you tell EVE players where the Line That Must Not Be Crossed is, they'll edge up to that Line naked until one butt hair is over the line, then do an obscene dance right there until that butt hair is lasered off, all the while protesting their innocence that they have not crossed the Line. [...] Uhm, Ripard, have you considered blogging again? It seems a lot of your recent comments on here, Reddit or FHC start with "I joked on reddit [...]" or such, so why not write it all in one place? ;) |
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R17a
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2015.09.16 08:58:33 -
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The crowd is traditionally requires the burning of witches. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1057
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Posted - 2015.09.16 09:37:07 -
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Announcing an investigation based on the flimsy evidence made public so far would be pretty stupid.
If it was anyone else doing this, I'd say they must have additional intel to justify this action. |
Atlan Dallocort
Know your Role EON Alliance
52
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Posted - 2015.09.16 10:05:43 -
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Just give all the prices to PL and the universe is in balance again. Never beat PL! |
Mai Khumm
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
680
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:08:42 -
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KIAGumpy wrote:If no one gets banned can we at least have CCP just send 7 trillion isk to the Camlords Captain and not have a bullshit tourney every year instead? You have at least make it look like they did something...
Toronto EVE Thread!
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(ALT of CO-Host Azami Nevinyrall)
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suicide
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:44:14 -
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They won.
Give them ships.
Sigh. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
346
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:59:55 -
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IF they dq camlords.
I dont like a flat moving up the order (i.e pl 1, exodus 2, tusker 3.5, nulli 3.5). It isnt fair to the teams that had to go through the allegedly cheating teams first. Everyone lost to them, and if they got dqed the other half of the bracket (i.e the teams that didnt even face pl and only lost to hydra) then were kicked out unfairely. Pl then won by merit of having to face them last, while dodging other teams. That imo is not a fair way to win.
If they do dq camel and warlords the new top 4 should imo all be treated equal and no winner should be crowned, as there really was none bar camel/hydra. Otherwise pl would win by means of lucky seed and no one (bar pl ;) ) wants that. |
Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:02:15 -
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Perhaps next year consider making the prizes some token golden/silver/bronze ship skins and let the teams fight over space honour instead of trillions in prize ships
If anyone is surprised that eve players will do anything to win prizes worth this amount of isk they are incredibly naive. This includes CCP of course. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1829
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:21:09 -
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EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way. End result is what matters
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1057
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:22:20 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Perhaps next year consider making the prizes some token golden/silver/bronze ship skins and let the teams fight over space honour instead of trillions in prize ships If anyone is surprised that eve players will do anything to win prizes worth this amount of isk they are incredibly naive. This includes CCP of course. I think you are the naive one if you think people wouldn't compete with the same ferocity, be it for a unique ship, space honour, a medal, a title, a skin, a used Kleenex or just for fun and drama.
Maybe you've forgotten which game you are playing? |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
296
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:39:06 -
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i'm ok with giving them the prize ships, but ban them out of the accounts too
bans or riot |
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2732
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:41:16 -
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Goodbye my good Fiend o/
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:54:52 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way. End result is what matters
eve is meta, AT is not like the rest of the game, its meant as eSports where meta has no place.
imagine a soccer game where one team bribes the opponent keeper XD |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
296
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:55:46 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way. End result is what matters eve is meta, AT is not like the rest of the game, its meant as eSports where no meta should be allowed. imagine a soccer game where one team bribes the opponent keeper XD
yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:58:05 -
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Faife wrote: yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA.
even though I was talking about a particular match, you are missing the fact that corruption on even higher level is investigated and will have people punished. Noone wants to watch rigged crap, its death sentence for any serious sports (in case of FIFA not so much because no actual match/tournament has been cheated) |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
296
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:00:17 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Faife wrote: yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA.
even though I was talking about a particular match, you are missing the fact that corruption on even higher level is investigated and will have people punished. Noone wants to watch rigged crap, its death sentence for any serious sports (in case of FIFA not so much because no actual match/tournament has been cheated)
well **** that noone guy whoever he is and you're insane if you think "no actual match/tournament" has been cheated.
also ban hydra |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:06:41 -
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Faife wrote: well **** that noone guy whoever he is and you're insane if you think "no actual match/tournament" has been cheated.
also ban hydra
regardless, there is always a shitstorm going once someone gets caught cheating/rigging matches. whats your point?
yes, ban hydra
W0lf Crendraven wrote:IF they dq camlords.
I dont like a flat moving up the order (i.e pl 1, exodus 2, tusker 3.5, nulli 3.5). It isnt fair to the teams that had to go through the allegedly cheating teams first. Everyone lost to them, and if they got dqed the other half of the bracket (i.e the teams that didnt even face pl and only lost to hydra) then were kicked out unfairely. Pl then won by merit of having to face them last, while dodging other teams. That imo is not a fair way to win.
If they do dq camel and warlords the new top 4 should imo all be treated equal and no winner should be crowned, as there really was none bar camel/hydra. Otherwise pl would win by means of lucky seed and no one (bar pl ;) ) wants that.
yea, maybe they just remove all prizes and be done with it. Would be more fair for the rest of AT participants. |
motie one
Secret Passage
18
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:38:02 -
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It is very sad that things have come to this. CCP now need to do a detailed investigation. Freezing the prizes is a good first step and does not assume either innocence or guilt.
What ever action they take if guilt is found needs to be fair and honourable no matter how hard it is to implement.
If they do that all those who are fair minded will give them our full support.
Good luck with a difficuilt task, rise to the occasion and take pride in your efforts. |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
96
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:44:50 -
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The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.
Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.
If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.
IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa Neo-Bushido Movement
349
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Posted - 2015.09.16 14:55:07 -
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Mr Rive wrote:The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.
Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.
If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.
IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.
They haven't been found guilty yet. Jumping the gun much? |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
348
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Posted - 2015.09.16 15:09:17 -
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Mr Rive wrote:The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.
Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.
If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.
IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.
Severely disagree on some points, you cant punish the average member, what are they to do? Stop doing stuff midmatch when they realize it was thrown? If they realize it sooner, break of with all friends and go away? Even if you suspect, go to your team captain and complain and he tells you nothing is happening and to shut up, what are you to do?
While i agree with punishing the captains, dqing them and taking the prizes. The average member really shouldnt get punished at all. |
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