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Adarnof
Super Secret Spaceship Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:05:25 -
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Scanning is already too easy. If it's taking you "too long" to do it, you need to be more efficient.
A combination of proper probe formation, understanding strength bands, and 8AU sweeps can clean the garbage out of the system in a real hurry.
Stop catering to the lowest common denominator and let those who excel at scanning shine. |
smokeAjoint
Unsettled Unsettled.
67
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:05:28 -
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-1
**-álegalize it**
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Sundial Hakaari
Filthy Peasants
3
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:15:59 -
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Its not currently hard to quickly assess which sigs are holes and which aren't if you are half decent at scanning. With max scanning skills (which you should have if want to most effectively get content in wormholes) it's close to trivial already.
I doubt this will result in more people utilizing wormholes, rather it will result in the same people using them having to do less work for their content.
Don't further trivialize an important role in wormhole space and what makes wormhole space unique itself... |
Aanilye
Stryker Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:21:51 -
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+1.
I love scanning....sincerely, i do. There's something soothing in it for me. I enjoy mapping our static chain after a long day at work, and while i will occasionally scan all signatures for potential future ganks later, moving quickly through a chain can only be an asset.
As a lifelong wormhole resident (only 3 years but still), I see finding WHs (but whs only) faster as a significant improvement and QOL change. |
Shagmar Gera
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
1
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:26:52 -
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+1
This would be a good QOL change for wormholers. Scanning down holes faster usually doesn't have a large influence on pvp, so this would just be nice for those of us that have to scan to find content.
A small buff like this after losing so many null connections in the last wh nerf would be nice.
Also we're open to getting more nulls back in c5's
And please decrease the amount of frigate holes while you're at it, or just change half of them to regular connections.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2205
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:28:28 -
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Winthorp wrote:Montgomery Black wrote:GizzyBoy wrote:Montgomery Black wrote:Endorsed.
To many empty WH systems currently. A way to scan down WH chains more quickly to find content would be awesome. Easier scanning will not populate wh's No but it will make it quicker to scan that unpopulated wormhole and the next one til you find find a active wormhole that has ships in it to kill. . Exactly this. Do you ever wonder how much time you waste or potential targets you never see or even enter their home because you just spent 40mins in a massive chain finding and ignoring PVE sigs? Are we lazy for asking this? Probably 5% but the other 95% sick of just wasting our ******* time night after night on unnecessary ****.
You won't really find more target. You will just get bored after going 15 holes deep instead of 10 because each takes less time to find among the clutter. |
Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:39:31 -
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wormholes are already the easiest sigs to scan |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire Great Blue Balls of Fire
120
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:40:56 -
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Really like this idea, would be great if wormholes were easily to distinguish from all other sigs, and it doesn't make sense that different wormholes are different signature sizes. |
Athanor Ruthoern
13. Enigma Project
27
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:51:47 -
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Thron Legacy wrote:wormholes are already the easiest sigs to scan nope |
muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
240
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:18:02 -
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Donnachadh wrote:I don't care either way on the OP so just some observations.
Do you really think that scanning the entrances is even part of the things that keeps players out of WH? In my experience the scanning portion is more of a hassle to the vet WH dwellers than it is to the newer players looking to move into WH life.
Living / playing in a WH is a game play style just like low and nul. And just like low and nul that game play style does not appeal to very many people, to change that you will have to change the game play style in significant ways that you WH players will not like. So the real question becomes are you willing to support the changes that will really make a difference to the amount of players that venture into WH?
This is the interesting part, this is all going to change when citadels come out, the style of living in wspace is going to completely change.
Also thank you to everyone who has responded.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:22:01 -
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Athanor Ruthoern wrote:Thron Legacy wrote:wormholes are already the easiest sigs to scan nope then which one is easier? well it certainly is the easiest sig to scan in a wh |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1904
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:27:19 -
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In K-space it can wildly vary, at least in my experience. There are some WHs (even high class ones) where I know that it's a WH with a 4 AU probe, and then there are some WHs (for some reason low class ones to c2/3 space) that are very hard to scan down, comparably hard to 8/10s).
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4669
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:20:23 -
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K162 whs are the easiest sigs to scan already, for out going whs it varies based on what kind it is.
PS: it should probably be added at this point that if you just use the default probe layouts, you really don't get a vote on this.
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Krops Vont
90
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:28:43 -
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Athanor Ruthoern wrote:The reaction from people is most interesting. When I suggested soemthing simalar of this half a year agoe I was meet with people cursing me and the idear. The same attitude has been in wormhole space the last min 4 years. Do not change anything. no easy mode. Change is bad. Wormholes aare only for pro players. I am happy to see people gotten a change of heart. I support this idear
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Iain Cariaba
1790
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:27:01 -
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Jack Miton wrote:K162 whs are the easiest sigs to scan already, for out going whs it varies based on what kind it is.
PS: it should probably be added at this point that if you just use the default probe layouts, you really don't get a vote on this. Using default probe layout I find wormholes absurdedly easy to probe down. Using covops frig, sister's expanded launcher, sister's core probes, and all scanning skills at 3, I know it's a wormhole on an 8au scan, and have warp in on 2au scan. Scanning wormholes doesn't need to be made easier, proponents of this idea simply need to become less bad at it.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Will troll for a t-shirt.
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muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
241
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:30:19 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Jack Miton wrote:K162 whs are the easiest sigs to scan already, for out going whs it varies based on what kind it is.
PS: it should probably be added at this point that if you just use the default probe layouts, you really don't get a vote on this. Using default probe layout I find wormholes absurdedly easy to probe down. Using covops frig, sister's expanded launcher, sister's core probes, and all scanning skills at 3, I know it's a wormhole on an 8au scan, and have warp in on 2au scan. Scanning wormholes doesn't need to be made easier, proponents of this idea simply need to become less bad at it.
Not all wormholes are the same, some are much more difficult to find in ways that don't make any sense.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Unseen Wolves
551
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:35:20 -
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Thron Legacy wrote:Athanor Ruthoern wrote:Thron Legacy wrote:wormholes are already the easiest sigs to scan nope then which one is easier? well it certainly is the easiest sig to scan in a wh
nope and yes at the same time
While K162 and Cx->Cx holes are easy to find, stuff like Cx -> Cx+/-3 or 4 are one of the most hard signatures to scan
To explain my wierd notation above: C6->C6 is as easy to scan as K162, but C6->C1 is as hard as best magneto/radar site (sorry - relic and data site)
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Unseen Wolves
551
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:38:59 -
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muhadin wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Jack Miton wrote:K162 whs are the easiest sigs to scan already, for out going whs it varies based on what kind it is.
PS: it should probably be added at this point that if you just use the default probe layouts, you really don't get a vote on this. Using default probe layout I find wormholes absurdedly easy to probe down. Using covops frig, sister's expanded launcher, sister's core probes, and all scanning skills at 3, I know it's a wormhole on an 8au scan, and have warp in on 2au scan. Scanning wormholes doesn't need to be made easier, proponents of this idea simply need to become less bad at it. Not all wormholes are the same, some are much more difficult to find in ways that don't make any sense.
Still, learn to use more efficient probe layouts andscan entire system much faster, including the hard to get signals - learn to eve instead of dumbing it down.
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
241
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:42:03 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:muhadin wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Jack Miton wrote:K162 whs are the easiest sigs to scan already, for out going whs it varies based on what kind it is.
PS: it should probably be added at this point that if you just use the default probe layouts, you really don't get a vote on this. Using default probe layout I find wormholes absurdedly easy to probe down. Using covops frig, sister's expanded launcher, sister's core probes, and all scanning skills at 3, I know it's a wormhole on an 8au scan, and have warp in on 2au scan. Scanning wormholes doesn't need to be made easier, proponents of this idea simply need to become less bad at it. Not all wormholes are the same, some are much more difficult to find in ways that don't make any sense. Still, learn to use more efficient probe layouts andscan entire system much faster, including the hard to get signals - learn to eve instead of dumbing it down.
Sorry, but if you think I'm not a very fast prober you are mistaken. This change is not for me, this change is for newer players, and for players who don't enjoy spending 30-60minutes of their 2-3 hours they have to play a night scanning.
W-space is already complex, this will barely touch the complexity of wspace.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1724
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:45:14 -
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muhadin wrote:
Sorry, but if you think I'm not a very fast prober you are mistaken. This change is not for me, this change is for newer players, andfor players who don't enjoy spending 30-60minutes of their 2-3 hours they have to play a night scanning.
W-space is already complex, this will barely touch the complexity of wspace.
I bolded the true part of your statement. This change is to make it easier for bored veterans to go find new targets.
It's like people living in Deklein complaining about a lack of content. To them, I say they should move somewhere more challenging or unblue some folks.
Stop crushing everyone else in WH space into renter status or go do something else.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
434
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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:41:57 -
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I don't really understand this change. WH are easy to scan down already, even before i had skills i could scan out a WH chain in under 15mins. If that is what is making WH dead then well just make WHs like anomalies and get rid of the need to scan all together. Yea i don't like that idea either.
-1.
I admit it is quiet in WH space right now, but that is not why. (can anyone say eviction? )
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Jak'at
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
56
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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:48:43 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:I don't really understand this change. WH are easy to scan down already, even before i had skills i could scan out a WH chain in under 15mins. If that is what is making WH dead then well just make WHs like anomalies and get rid of the need to scan all together. Yea i don't like that idea either.
-1.
I admit it is quiet in WH space right now, but that is not why. (can anyone say eviction? )
Eviction has nothing to do with it.
CCP made WH's dead when they nerfed (to the extreme degree) the connections in C5/C6 w-space to K-space.
It's just endless [empty] chains of C5>C5 now. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
440
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Posted - 2015.09.19 11:07:33 -
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Jak'at wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:I don't really understand this change. WH are easy to scan down already, even before i had skills i could scan out a WH chain in under 15mins. If that is what is making WH dead then well just make WHs like anomalies and get rid of the need to scan all together. Yea i don't like that idea either.
-1.
I admit it is quiet in WH space right now, but that is not why. (can anyone say eviction? ) Eviction has nothing to do with it. CCP made WH's dead when they nerfed (to the extreme degree) the connections in C5/C6 w-space to K-space. It's just endless [empty] chains of C5>C5 now. I live in a C5 and i see lots of *not* empty c5s and c6s. Also we get a lot of connections. Typically 2-3 c4 or higher and ~ 2 kspace per day + our static.
We once had 9WHs connected to us. I didn't know you could get that many.
Last week when i roamed with just 3 tengus, everyone just ran away. Even in nullsec :(
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Cosmic Scanner
Perkone Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2015.09.19 13:36:17 -
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-1
Don't care for this change. Its always gonna be the same people who probe anyway. We all saw the nerf for null-c5 - if probing wh's was even easier would that mean further nerfs to some other wormholes down the line?...
Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
202
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Posted - 2015.09.19 18:46:12 -
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-1
Scanning is way to easy. We have a new player in our corp and he got scanning like the rest of us in a week(barrings char-skills). The only thing he still struggles with is the way we name the systems . Also making scanning to easy takes away the mystery of wh-space. Aren't you all saying that there is no more mystery left in wh-space? Making it easier to scan will destroy a lot of mystery in w-space. Does scanning need to be more fun? Maybe that is the question we should ask ourselfs, not making it easier but more fun, more stuff to find, scanning minigame(never mind that last sounds terrible), ... . Because of the ore site being put into anomalies and the lack of difference between data/relic, there are only 3 things to scan for, wormholes, gas, data/relic . Maybe we need more things to find?
No local in null sec would fix everything!
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Samantha Elroy
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
34
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:05:11 -
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+1
Last month i scanned way more than 300 Wormholes, not sigs. People get rid while the jspace is getting emptier. Please, can we get an DEV to response on that idea ? |
KPomgPL
Bad Intentions Inc.
2
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Posted - 2015.09.29 19:44:23 -
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-1
With this change best tackler would be a sabre with core probe launcher. Do you believe that someone will risk farming in static? Some time ago all ppl. though it would be a grate to catch a dread on chain collapsing. And what happened after change? Most carebears collapse wh with stabbed battleships. And seriously do you realy want to switch holes to "one scan" pseudo gates? Why dont you meet in kspace for a fight?
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