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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:28:16 -
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So my corp needs a solo Armor logi, i currently able to use all T1, the Scimitar and the Guardian... still 20 days until i can use the Oneiros (prefered) so im wondering whats better to use for the next 20 days... a cap stable guardian or a exequror
Example of a cap stable guardian:
[Guardian, Solo Guardian] Damage Control II Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Steel Plates I
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x4 |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2215
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:31:50 -
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No prop mod? |
Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:39:54 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:No prop mod?
ya not sure ill use one, but! let me see
I can do something like this:
[Guardian, Gua] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 1600mm Steel Plates I
Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x4 |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23040
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:25:25 -
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Your corp needs a "solo armor logi", but you are not telling us what kind of fleet it needs to support.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:12:32 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Your corp needs a "solo armor logi", but you are not telling us what kind of fleet it needs to support.
If you are going to be supporting 5 Thoraxes, an Exequororiorereeerrr will be fine as a Guard wil only serve to make you lose the ISK war.
If you are supporting 5 Deimoseses, then maybe a solo Guardian would be ok, although you could probably be just fine having 2 people fly Exequororororioreers and still come in under half the cost of a solo Guardian.
If you are supporting 5 Vigilants, than a Guard is probably best.
It all depends on what you are trying to do with your fleet.
3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23040
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:28:22 -
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Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that
Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:32:12 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi?
Thats all we have for now... Looking for more but thats all we have now :( just trying to look for the best option |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23040
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:39:09 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi? Thats all we have for now... Looking for more but thats all we have now :( just trying to look for the best option
Make the fail armor Raven fly a logi instead, then you have 2 Guardians with a proper cap chain.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8542
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:50:17 -
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Ships and Modules is thataway, Fantastico
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 17:51:15 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi? Thats all we have for now... Looking for more but thats all we have now :( just trying to look for the best option Make the fail armor Raven fly a logi instead, then you have 2 Guardians with a proper cap chain.
lets assume that it is just me, im better off running a guardian or a exequror? Im logi V and if Guardian what fit? |
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:01:01 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Ships and Modules is thataway, Fantastico
sorry ill create it there |
Romvex
Just The Tip... RAZOR Alliance
545
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:10:49 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi? Thats all we have for now... Looking for more but thats all we have now :( just trying to look for the best option Fielding that kind of fleet with a single logi cruiser will end horribly just don't do that until you have true dedicated logi chains |
Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:44:27 -
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Romvex wrote:Super Miguel wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:3 Apocalypse, 3 Megathron, 1 revelation, raven, something like that Why the hell would you fly that supported by only 1 Logi? Thats all we have for now... Looking for more but thats all we have now :( just trying to look for the best option Fielding that kind of fleet with a single logi cruiser will end horribly just don't do that until you have true dedicated logi chains. And why exactly are you throwing around a random revelation? 1 > 0 |
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
450
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:48:17 -
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Take a look at some of the AT losses (PE1-R1 system) for an idea on how a solo guardian should work. Trying to make cap rechargers work is an exercise in futility, you need to go cap boosted to get any kind of tank. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40189
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:50:25 -
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One logi is going to lack the repping power to support that fleet against potential opponents.
As s result, if you prefer to fly a support ship, ewar will be more useful than logi if you can only field one.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23043
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:54:28 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Romvex wrote: Fielding that kind of fleet with a single logi cruiser will end horribly just don't do that until you have true dedicated logi chains. And why exactly are you throwing around a random revelation?
1 > 0
You may want to look into "spider tanking" instead of running 1 Logi. A RR battleship fleet can be pretty beastly when run right.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40190
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:04:20 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Super Miguel wrote:Romvex wrote: Fielding that kind of fleet with a single logi cruiser will end horribly just don't do that until you have true dedicated logi chains. And why exactly are you throwing around a random revelation?
1 > 0 You may want to look into "spider tanking" instead of running 1 Logi. A RR battleship fleet can be pretty beastly when run right. This is also a good suggestion.
Spider tanker reps don't get the range bonus of a guardian, so everything needs to stay close but they can be effective if used well.
The issue with your one Guardian is just the basic math.
4 x large solace = 1586 HP / 4.5 sec (no heat)
That means you can rep through 352 applied DPS.
If the opposing fleet can apply more damage than that, your 1 logi is less than useless.
If all your fleet have extremely high resists and they individually fly perfectly it can work, but if the opposition have webs that can slow your guys down, or if someone makes a mistake, etc. you'll find yourself heating the reps and still not keeping your guys alive.
When it comes to logi it can be that:
1 !> 0
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:06:28 -
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honestly it was just a question to know what would be better, we wont run this way for PvP or anything serious.... just let says for example to go blow a POS or something would be nice to have a logi imo |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40190
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:10:32 -
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Super Miguel wrote:honestly it was just a question to know what would be better, we wont run this way for PvP or anything.... just let says for example to go blow a POS or something would be nice to have a logi imo Then Guardian is better than Exequror.
The higher resists will be better if you are targeted by defensive guns, since there'll be no one to rep you. Fitting an ancillary rep in the lows will help your own survivability.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11863
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:22:55 -
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Not with guardians mate. That's actually just feeding whomever you engage a free caped out cruiser.
The oneros (shhh it's late here, **** spelling) would be a better option , still a crap idea for the kind of gang you mentioned but better than a solo guardian.
Better the Devil you know.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:23:37 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Ships and Modules is thataway, Fantastico sorry ill create it there
Double
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.17 20:16:11 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Super Miguel wrote:honestly it was just a question to know what would be better, we wont run this way for PvP or anything.... just let says for example to go blow a POS or something would be nice to have a logi imo Then Guardian is better than Exequror. The higher resists will be better if you are targeted by defensive guns, since there'll be no one to rep you. Fitting an ancillary rep in the lows will help your own survivability. An AT Guardian fit will be useful in that situation. We didn't need to run a Guardian this year so I can't post s loss mail of my own, but as per the earlier suggestion, go look at losses in PE1-R1 for Guardians and once you are trained into an Oneiros, use that instead. Here is one good example: https://zkillboard.com/kill/48778395/ This year's meta was dominated by the use of rep bots to support logi, so no need for local reps and the reactive hardener was good enough with the buffer tank. Last year's fits are also with looking at. As soon as a bash turns into a pvp situation though, your f'd unless it's an opponent your fleet could beat without logi anyway.
Thanks you much...
So something like this:
[Guardian, Dmiester Uhad's Guardian] 1600mm Steel Plates II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Small Remote Armor Repairer II Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
592
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:36:45 -
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Whike bumblefck is correct in that this thread is in the wrong place and that duplicating it in the correct place compounds the forum errors, I have to say this is the best new thread I have read in GD in the last two weeks.
Big ups for all the constructive criticism and alternative suggestions. Welcome to the Eve Online community OP. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:21:51 -
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Super Miguel wrote:lets assume that it is just me, im better off running a guardian or a exequror? Im logi V and if Guardian what fit?
You are better off using the Exequrororerur if you are the sole Logibro, UNLESS you can convince at least one of your Battleships to fit a Remote Cap module to cap buddy with you. Even then, the Exequrororerur is probably a better bet as the BS will have horrid range on their cap transfer module.
And...
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Make the fail armor Raven fly a logi instead, then you have 2 Guardians with a proper cap chain. This. So much this.
Get that Raven into an Augrororororor and have a cap buddy.
Or just say 'screw logi' and go with a spider tank setup.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Super Miguel
Arsenic. Zaibatsu Mercantile
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:36:32 -
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Ya i think im having someone flight at least an augoror |
Don Purple
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1313
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:04:15 -
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I have a guardian pilot doing nothing in highsec if you wanna hand me the ship to use. Logi V bla bla snuggles.
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1517
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:40:42 -
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logi will be wiped off the grid in a matter of seconds then your fleet dies, good luck.
drop triage if your dropping dreads :/
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1567
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Posted - 2015.09.18 11:00:06 -
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Suddenly 10s of locator agents sprung into action...
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1114
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:10:15 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Super Miguel wrote:lets assume that it is just me, im better off running a guardian or a exequror? Im logi V and if Guardian what fit? You are better off using the Exequrororerur if you are the sole Logibro, UNLESS you can convince at least one of your Battleships to fit a Remote Cap module to cap buddy with you. Even then, the Exequrororerur is probably a better bet as the BS will have horrid range on their cap transfer module. And... Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Make the fail armor Raven fly a logi instead, then you have 2 Guardians with a proper cap chain. This. So much this. Get that Raven into an Augrororororor and have a cap buddy. Or just say 'screw logi' and go with a spider tank setup.
In terms of the Augoror...
[Augoror, Gimp 1] Reactive Armor Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 400mm Steel Plates II Damage Control II
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Cap Recharger II Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
There you go, then you can have a properly fit Guardian with it instead, by the way the ECCM Caster I could be changed to an ECCM to use on the ship itself.
Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
653
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:42:22 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Suddenly 10s of locator agents sprung into action...
My thought also. Battleships and a solo dread with one logi? That is a recipe for a proper dunking. I hope you posted with an alt because half the people in this thread have already checked your killboard and run a locate to see where you operate.
Catch? Limited killboard activity; probably an alt. Regardless, solo dread in nullsec seems like a bad idea. |
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