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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:42:43 -
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Pirates.
I am not talking about the NPCs but players, is it a good career choice to be a pirate (after some FW)? I am a Minmatar and, because of me, I only use my own Faction's ships. My current plan is raiding mining ships or lightly armed ones in 0.4 to 0.0 systems with a Rifter or another close-combat Frigate or a Thrasher. After I get the hang of it I will move on to T2 Frigates and team up with others (if I can). After a while, when I have enough people to support me, I will get a Stabber and/or Bellicose. Is this a good idea and career line to down?
What's the payroll for Pirates usually, early on? Should it be enough to get me another T1 Frigate and its weapons at least? Would I be able to create a Pirate Gang later on? Would it be possible to only be outlawed in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space but not Minmatar, as I don't plan on raiding any Minmatar?
Thank you if you answer. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:46:58 -
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You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.
Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.
Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13974
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:58:23 -
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The payroll? It depends, with or without dental? You'll need to find a corp most likely, early on. Miners may not be packing much heat, but they do have drones, and if doing their mining thing in low or null as you mentioned, they prolly have friends ready to drop ontop of you before you even dent a miners shield.
I'm in it for the money
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:02:03 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.
Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.
Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). |
Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:05:38 -
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Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... |
Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:07:15 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.
Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:07:27 -
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Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works...
I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan. |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:08:29 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!
Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13974
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:10:14 -
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There is always wormhole space if you're not set on being chased through the empires by police. Look up Wingspan TT on youtube as an example, for possible longterm goals anyway.
I'm in it for the money
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Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:11:41 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan.
Well then...
It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec.
This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to.
If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game. |
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:15:07 -
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Revenant Kane wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan. Well then... It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec. This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to. If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game.
It's not that, it is just that I would rather butcher everyone and steal everything.
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Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5083
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:18:35 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. They usually are.
Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch.
Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day).
Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them.
I just use my Loki. *shrug*
There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:21:10 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. They usually are. Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch. Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day). Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them. I just use my Loki. *shrug* There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them.
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? |
Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5083
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:23:26 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.
Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:31:46 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.
...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1521
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:37:20 -
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piracy isnt really a career anymore, more of a lifestyle where you can fly around shouting yarr at everyone.
most pirates have alts which do other things which are much more profitable
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Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5086
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:43:29 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc. ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... Speed only means so much, transversal means everything if you're trying to avoid getting popped.
Doesn't matter if you're doing 3000m/s, if you're flying straight at them then RIP in pasta.
Rookie ship's about the size of a standard frig, hitting one with a cruiser is quite normal.
As for balance, well they're flying a 500-1b ISK ship that took months of skilling to fly and is very specialized in doing what it does very well. You're a newer character in a free/cheap, disposable ship that's paper-thin on the undock. That's never going to end well.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Ovv Topik
Hoplite Brigade Hashashin Cartel
751
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:05:21 -
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Consider a career hunting explorers in low sec. There are tonnes more than miners. Learn to do it yourself in a covops frig. Then switch to an astero and hunt the covops as they run the sites. Can land some very nice paydays.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:08:12 -
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As it's been said, the game is balanced more towards a few frigates being able to get away from (or approach) a battleship, and not die in a single shot from the battleship-sized weaponry. Cruisers are closer in size to frigates, so their weapon systems can hit frigates pretty well; actually some cruisers are designed to be anti-frigate platforms.
For avoiding guns, what matters is your transversal / orbit / angular / sideways speed; the idea is that the big guns can't turn fast enough to aim at you. You can enable an "angular velocity" column in the overview and use it to gauge your chances of success; you can look at the stats for medium guns on the market and see how fast they can track in radians/second, to just get an idea.
500 m/s may be sufficient if you're at 1-5 km from the cruiser, but does almost nothing at 20-40 km. An afterburner module can get a frigate to 900-1,000 m/s, and a microwarpdrive module can get 2.5+ km/s for a very short time. You also have to train yourself to approach all big targets sideways (in a spiral pattern) rather than fly straight at them.
And you have to get a feel for the typical range of ships. Frigates can typically hit to about 25-30 km, cruisers can easily cover 40-80 km, and battleships can snipe all the way to 150-200 km, especially when using Tech 2 guns, sniping ammo that enhances range, and various targeting and range modules in the mid and low slots.
So those are the ranges where you're in danger. As a frigate, you want to get to a short range orbit as soon as possible, so that your transversal velocity helps out, but you can't get TOO close because there are several anti-frigate modules such as stasis webifiers, smartbombs, and energy neutralizers that operate in the short range, and veteran PVP'ers will have these installed so they're protected from frigates.
On the flip side, your puny frigate can lock down even a large battleship and keep it there until the cavalry arrives, and there are hundreds of heroic tales of huge kills that were possible only because a new player in a frigate managed to hold the juicy target pinned until all his friends could get there to kill it in a spectacular way. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1447
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:10:04 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc. ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... Speed is not everything ... probably the Cruiser was in line with your movement. Also a rookie ship has no tank, so whatever low percentage of damage was applied to your ship, just kills you. Balanced does not mean, that it's easy to mitigate incoming damage from bigger ships.
Roaming around killing other players can keep your business rolling from loot/salvage if you are skilled, but you won't get rich from that unless you are lucky. But it's fun. . From what I heard the best money you can make from PvP is wardeccing highsec corps for ransom and POS loot.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
37434
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:14:36 -
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Hunting explorers with Dickvirus T3s.
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:36:11 -
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Also, things are balanced this way, unfairly if you want to call it that, partly because if it were easy, everyone would do it, and then you wouldn't be able to get anywhere in a cruiser or battleship for all the frigate people just waiting to take you out easily. So it's possible but not easy.
Same with piracy, actually. Anyone would take the chance to make an easy 100 million off a juicy target if it were easy, but it's not. You lose access to high sec, and on top of it most players know the dangers and take steps to either avoid the hot spots or protect their ship (warp stabilizers, cloaks, use fast-aligning ships, etc.). |
Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
750
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:56:36 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Pirates.
I am not talking about the NPCs but players, is it a good career choice to be a pirate (after some FW)? I am a Minmatar and, because of me, I only use my own Faction's ships. My current plan is raiding mining ships or lightly armed ones in 0.4 to 0.0 systems with a Rifter or another close-combat Frigate or a Thrasher. After I get the hang of it I will move on to T2 Frigates and team up with others (if I can). After a while, when I have enough people to support me, I will get a Stabber and/or Bellicose. Is this a good idea and career line to down?
What's the payroll for Pirates usually, early on? Should it be enough to get me another T1 Frigate and its weapons at least? Would I be able to create a Pirate Gang later on? Would it be possible to only be outlawed in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space but not Minmatar, as I don't plan on raiding any Minmatar?
Thank you if you answer.
The term "pirate" is a very broad one for eve and covers a lot of different play styles. If you are the sort of pirate that preys on economic targets - haulers, miners, carriers, jfs, etc... you can make very good isk. Oth if you just like yoloing around attacking everyone without a care for whether you will likely win or not then being a pirate will be isk draining. In my happy grp of players, the pvp usually pays for itself. But we all also have independent sources of isk, so that we can replace the big toys should an op go belly up.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
218
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:09:51 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote: The term "pirate" is a very broad one for eve and covers a lot of different play styles. If you are the sort of pirate that preys on economic targets - haulers, miners, carriers, jfs, etc... you can make very good isk. Oth if you just like yoloing around attacking everyone without a care for whether you will likely win or not then being a pirate will be isk draining. In my happy grp of players, the pvp usually pays for itself. But we all also have independent sources of isk, so that we can replace the big toys should an op go belly up.
This is kind of what it boils down to, really.
I don't call myself a pirate, what I do is PVP; I don't expect to make ISK from it but sometimes I do. My targets are anything and everything that I find in my area that isn't in my fleet. When I do PVE it is often just in the hope of baiting someone into coming after me.
If I was concerned with actually earning ISK, I'd probably become a high-sec outlaw ganking freighters and such.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
156
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:28:19 -
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If you're going for low sec piracy your targets will be few and hard to catch, but you may be able to make a profit off them. It won't be anything that will make you filthy rich though, and there will always be bigger fish who are hunting you.
I would suggest finding an additional PVE source of ISK aside from your piracy to make sure you can afford to lose ships to said 'bigger fish' and so you have something to do when you can't find any targets to shoot. I would suggest something in low sec so you don't have to travel back and forth, and don't have to worry about your sec status dropping. My personal choice is low sec DED sites and other combat sigs, but there are plenty of other options. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8551
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:55:13 -
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Necro Huren wrote: ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...
OP goes from raging aspiring pirate to whining forumite in less than ten seconds
Good luck with your career (forum or otherwise)!
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:11:09 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Necro Huren wrote: ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...
OP goes from raging aspiring pirate to whining forumite in less than ten seconds Good luck with your career (forum or otherwise)!
I have... Mind changes... Where did raging come from... Oh well! |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:20:23 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship.
We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :) |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:22:31 -
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Thanks for all the tips/explanations/dictionary terms.
Not trying to sound like a smart*** or anything but 'pirates' historically preyed on economy targets (haulers/rich ground targets/political figures/ransom/many more). |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:23:32 -
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Zihao wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :)
Stop trying to lure me in to kill me with a alt that has a Strategic Cruiser and warps in after I find you. |
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