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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:26:56 -
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Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:40:04 -
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Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us.
Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! |
Aimee Arbosa
Division 13 Anoikis Ronin
2992
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:43:47 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! You're gonna kill him twice at once?
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Kali'ara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1242
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:53:52 -
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Aimee Arbosa wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! You're gonna kill him twice at once? Doesn't get much more piratey.
Also, Mr Bumblefck touches on an important point. For any aspiring pirate the forums are a very important place. Have you ever seen a thread ransomed? I have.
There's no better place to display the cut of one's jib.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1448
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:23:45 -
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Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. This remembers me of a funny incident, I was probing with my Svipul for prey and pinpointed an Astero ... warp ...while in warp a Covert Ops frig appears on dscan ... land, T2 frig tackled Astero ... fighting, I killed both ... when a Cynabal lands on top of me, I barely escaped without the loot.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
587
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:25:06 -
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I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:09:52 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
I had a thought once where... 2,000 players targeted and destroyed a CONCORD ship. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
52416
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:19:06 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Yeah, in seriousness this is true imo.
Somewhere like lowsec most people don't fit expensively, especially if they're doing frigate PVP as the OP seems to be looking for. You could probably take the loot from all the kills in one night and you'd probably have made more ISK if you spent that same time mining or missioning. You'll get lucky sometimes and get some great loot out of your kills, but you can't really bank on it and certainly can't sustain yourself purely from it.
In Amber's case, hunting explorers can net you some tidy loot, though rather than camping relic sites you'll probably make more if you actually ran all those sites yourself.
Ransoms can be great, but the opportunities for it (and finding people willing to pay) are likewise intermittent.
People "pirate" for the fun of the fight, any loot is really just an added bonus.
Highsec ganking is a different matter and you could certainly make some good money from ganking freighters and such, though it's generally not a solo thing. I'd imagine bumping freighters and ransoming might be one solo way of making some semi-reliable ISK though.
tl:dr - If you're looking to make profits then PVP generally isn't the way to do it, especially not frigate PVP somewhere like lowsec. PVP is more often an expense that people PVE to pay for. Though in saying that you only need to get that one amazing ransom or loot drop and you might earn enough to sustain yourself for weeks/months. Though don't go betting on it.
I'm not sure how all corps work, but in our corp scouts generally make the most profit from PVP. Anyone can be a scout though, whoever finds a target or sets up a fight/gank for the rest of us is entitled to any loot from it. This often sees some of our pilots make hundreds of millions, if not billions sometimes, from a single encounter.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:20:25 -
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Anything profitable takes work. Unsurprisingly the majority of pirates don't want to work that hard and find the cheap thrills fun. It's not sp much about the profession as the mindset. If you are playing eve for profit you are basically roleplaying a sweatshop gold farmer. |
Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:44:44 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
This is because the game is a PVP game. So while in the real world the pirates are attacking civilian ships operating in peacetime, in this game you're like trying to be a pirate during World War 2; most of your possible targets will be escorted and/or be freaking warships better armed than you.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:46:30 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. This is because the game is a PVP game. So while in the real world the pirates are attacking civilian ships operating in peacetime, in this game you're like trying to be a pirate during World War 2; most of your possible targets will be escorted and/or be freaking warships better armed than you.
I'm pretty sure I have seen NPC cargoships around, unprotected. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1719
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:47:02 -
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just stay in FW and start shooting neutrals. now you have targets and somewhere to make income.
I'd say piracy is more a state of mind than anything else. Lots of people will stay stuff about it, Let it mean whatever the hell you want it to mean. As long as ships explode you are probably doing it right.
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:14:12 -
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Necro Huren wrote:I'm pretty sure I have seen NPC cargoships around, unprotected.
Yeah, look again next time, see if they're still in range of the 6 deadly sentry guns the nearby station has. 150 km.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1724
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:18:31 -
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I'm not 100% that the station sentry guns will shot you, but even if they do you can just warp off and come back.
that said I hear those haulers usually just have some nearly worthless trade goods, so probably aren't worth dealing with too much.
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Memphis Baas
556
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:28:42 -
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Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. |
Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
0
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:43:45 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
Not really...
With my previous character I made billions and that was just with war ransoms.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.19 12:05:35 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable.
I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51974
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Posted - 2015.09.20 03:47:48 -
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Zihao wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :) Most experienced veteran explorers are cloaked, tanked and armed to the teeth in medium class hulls due to running combat sites. The posted video in this thread shows a bunch of Frigate ships at hacking sites which are the bottom rung on the exploration ladder.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51974
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Posted - 2015.09.20 04:04:21 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! Attacking NPC Convoys
It was quite profitable in the past, depending on which Corporation station the Convoy was leaving.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Necro Huren
Dreadmen
24
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Posted - 2015.09.20 13:15:39 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! Attacking NPC ConvoysIt was quite profitable in the past, depending on which Corporation station the Convoy was leaving. DMC
Thank you for the Guide. |
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
138
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Posted - 2015.09.20 13:25:26 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate.
Wardec ransoming is still alive and well, if you do it right. The problem is that most groups just dec left & right and/or the wrong corps, making it impersonal, and just camp choke points. Then it won't work.
If you dec one active corp/alliance and right from the beginning make it clear that it's just business and through the right tactics (make them afraid of you even when they don't see you) and through keeping an open line (you don't have to be a **** in a war, you CAN just actually interact with your food) you'd be surprised about the percentage of corps that end up paying you to go away. It's not 50+% but it's certainly not bad and the loot from mission running ships is worthwhile too.
Mission busting still works too. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
594
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Posted - 2015.09.20 18:00:32 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings.
Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1519
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Posted - 2015.09.21 05:08:23 -
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You could always try sneaking into null via a WH and ninja looting in a stabbed intie. |
Necro Huren
Dreadmen
24
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:12:29 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings. Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced.
Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right?
"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52020
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:57:45 -
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Piracy Guide
Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide
These guides are a bit old but still have some good info in them.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1544
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Posted - 2015.09.23 09:37:46 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings. Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced. Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right?
Ransoms, drug running, being a c***, evading police, low sec status etc is all part of being a pirate, dont think about isk when wanting to be a pirate, ive never ransomed or been offered any isk to let anything go, ill pod everything, there is no right way to be a pirate, just do what you want
I like to live my lifestyle by having loyalty to a pirate faction just to make it a bit more interesting
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:14:34 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right? Ransoms, drug running, being a c***, evading police, low sec status etc is all part of being a pirate, dont think about isk when wanting to be a pirate, ive never ransomed or been offered any isk to let anything go, ill pod everything, there is no right way to be a pirate, just do what you want I like to live my lifestyle by having loyalty to a pirate faction just to make it a bit more interesting
"they're not Yakuza, they are just playing gangsta"
To my experience, eve piracy isnt piracy, just playing gangsta. Acting tough, trying to be thugs. The main part of traditional piracy and why it got dubbed for modern software is theft at sea/taking claim of another's property. How can eve have piracy without the pirating part.
Else is just gangsta. Where is the living the live against authority, freedom and evasion. That is lost. I cannot live years in frontier as a small group of combatants.... Wepl, not without either doing carebear with it or having a happy alt once more meaning to be a pirate, need to not be a pirate.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:57:35 -
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There isn't "real" piracy because for the victim not much is at risk, no lifes are threatened. Loss is part of the business in a wild west world like EvE, the worst can happen is you wake up in your new clone and lost some time and ISK. I think you can live from loot and never leave low/nullsec using a hauler alt, but why restricting yourself?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:43:23 -
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For solo stuff you should probably get into WHs.
Low and nullsec have you show up in local. Anyone who knows what they are doing will not get killed by a neutral/hostile in local because their intel channel told them 15 minutes ago that you were inbound...In wormholes there is no local. You can cloak up in a relic site with an astero and punish every exploration frigate that drops by trying to make some loot. From there you can graduate into Stealth bombing mining barges with torpedos.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
149
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Posted - 2015.09.23 17:00:08 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:There isn't "real" piracy because for the victim not much is at risk, no lifes are threatened. Loss is part of the business in a wild west world like EvE, the worst can happen is you wake up in your new clone and lost some time and ISK. I think you can live from loot and never leave low/nullsec using a hauler alt, but why restricting yourself?
And that is why folks move(d) on to mission busting and similar, people flying expensive ships with expensive modules which will give a profit when killed or ransomed. It's PVP for profit and while one could argue about semantics about what piracy is and isn't, you could say the same about how piracy may or may not have anything to do with being in low sec or not.
The fact is that the big and juicy targets are in high sec and the fox goes where the sheep are. |
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