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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor
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Posted - 2015.09.21 05:19:11 -
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I took a break this year for RL reasons, my timing couldn't been better it seems that a lot of other players have did so as well.
After the Canadian Election this fall I'll be back to playing more full time, like I did 03-09, I wonder if other player are in the same boat as me, or are any of old vet going to take another stab at it?
Empire, the next new world order.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
220
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:54:48 -
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Most of my real-life friends and acquaintances who play (including a couple "salty" vets) have also left this year. A few are considering coming back.
I'm guessing you are not alone by a long shot.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
508
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:19:40 -
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A lot of the guys Ive known the last few years trickled off last year near the end already. And the guy Ive known in game longest is taking an extended break. So no its a common thing.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Facial Grapist
NewCorporation002
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:17:39 -
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also going on an extended break
untill the player numbers improve =) |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12402
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:24:16 -
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People leave. Thing is, the decline from games like EVE is nothing compared to what happens in most of the MMO market, which is now mostly F2P.
Quote:On average, 6.21% of players who logged in for the first time in the 1st month a game is released will log on 360 days after their first login. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3116
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:06:28 -
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Facial Grapist wrote:also going on an extended break
untill the player numbers improve =) This seems counter productive.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12402
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:25:26 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Facial Grapist wrote:also going on an extended break
untill the player numbers improve =) This seems counter productive.
+1
I've seen other people say that over the years and I always wonder "what is it you are doing that requires so many people?".
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8698
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:28:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Facial Grapist wrote:also going on an extended break
untill the player numbers improve =) This seems counter productive. +1 I've seen other people say that over the years and I always wonder "what is it you are doing that requires so many people?". IMO... it's a "mob mentality" sort of thing.
If a group of people see two restaurants, they will generally gravitate towards the one with the most people in it. After all, the one with the most people in it MUST be "good." And the other one with less people in it, people MUST be avoiding it for some reason. (NOTE: don't believe me? Go out with the missus and find two restaurants of the same kind on the same block. Let her choose which one)
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Caladan Panzureborn
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:09:00 -
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[quote=Jenn aSide]People leave. Thing is, the decline from games like EVE is nothing compared to what happens in most of the MMO market, which is now mostly F2P.[quote]
EVE online is a Free to Play game. Are people in denial about that? ISK is so easy to earn it's nothing to buy a plex and play for free. The two MMOs on the market right now with the largest player populations are WoW and FFXIV and both are pure sub games with no free to play option whatsoever. So "Mostly F2P" is a misleading statement.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12410
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:12:49 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide]People leave. Thing is, the decline from games like EVE is nothing compared to what happens in most of the MMO market, which is now mostly F2P.[quote] EVE online is a Free to Play game. Are people in denial about that? ISK is so easy to earn it's nothing to buy a plex and play for free. The two MMOs on the market right now with the largest player populations are WoW and FFXIV and both are pure sub games with no free to play option whatsoever. So "Mostly F2P" is a misleading statement.
The above post couldn't be more ignorant if you tried..
Time is not "free". Even if a person can make 1.2 bil isk on one second, it's still one second you spent.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25092
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:19:20 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:EVE online is a Free to Play game. Are people in denial about that? No, it is not, if it was I wouldn't be paying CCP a tenner a month in subscription fees.
Quote:ISK is so easy to earn it's nothing to buy a plex and play for free. So why do we have ever repeating threads featuring much rending of hair and wringing of hands about how the price of PLEX is supposedly driving people away because they can't earn enough isk to buy them ingame?
Quote:The two MMOs on the market right now with the largest player populations are WoW and FFXIV and both are pure sub games with no free to play option whatsoever. So "Mostly F2P" is a misleading statement. WoW has a PLEX equivalent both in purpose and scope, try doing some research before posting nonsense.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5376
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Posted - 2015.09.21 19:25:13 -
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Merovee wrote:After the Canadian Election this fall I'll be back to playing more full time, like I did 03-09 What party are you running for?
Seems like what politicians do after getting elected. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1746
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Posted - 2015.09.22 06:36:35 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Merovee wrote:After the Canadian Election this fall I'll be back to playing more full time, like I did 03-09 What party are you running for? Seems like what politicians do after getting elected. wow, I should go run for congress or something. why didn't I think of that before!?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1523
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Posted - 2015.09.22 06:55:50 -
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I have accounts that run on about 2/3 PLEX and 1/3 subs so I usually only pay about every 2nd or 3rd month but those are going to be nonviable with new PLEX prices, they are not worth subbing every month - so unsubbing those temporarily.
My main is here to stay though. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14000
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Posted - 2015.09.22 08:06:45 -
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Merovee wrote:After the Canadian Election this fall I'll be back to playing more full time, like I did 03-09, I wonder if other player are in the same boat as me Welp, I'm not a lying, cheating, swindling, two-faced, pork bellied politician, so I guess not And I'm not a lawyer either
I'm in it for the money
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9729
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Posted - 2015.09.22 08:33:26 -
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Webvan wrote:Merovee wrote:After the Canadian Election this fall I'll be back to playing more full time, like I did 03-09, I wonder if other player are in the same boat as me Welp, I'm not a lying, cheating, swindling, two-faced, pork bellied politician, so I guess not And I'm not a lawyer either What are you talking about? Politicians are all honest, truthful, caring people. Lawyers too.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6808
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Posted - 2015.09.22 09:40:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Facial Grapist wrote:also going on an extended break
untill the player numbers improve =) This seems counter productive. +1 I've seen other people say that over the years and I always wonder "what is it you are doing that requires so many people?". Some people don't want to invest time and money into playing a dying game and would rather wait until the devs get it to a point where it's not dying. CCPs job is to keep people interested. Until they stop failing at that, people will be less likely to stick around.
Jenn aSide wrote:Time is not "free". Even if a person can make 1.2 bil isk on one second, it's still one second you spent. In that case, no MMO is free to play.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC Bad Intention
4372
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Posted - 2015.09.22 09:56:51 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Time is not "free". Even if a person can make 1.2 bil isk on one second, it's still one second you spent. In that case, no MMO is free to play. Of course there are. There are MMOs you download, make an account, login and play. If you want to do that in EVE, you have 30 days to grind out the ISK to PLEX the account, pay with RL money, or no more EVE for you. In fact that account is now off limits indefinitely unless paid.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6808
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:24:45 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Time is not "free". Even if a person can make 1.2 bil isk on one second, it's still one second you spent. In that case, no MMO is free to play. Of course there are. There are MMOs you download, make an account, login and play. If you want to do that in EVE, you have 30 days to grind out the ISK to PLEX the account, pay with RL money, or no more EVE for you. In fact that account is now off limits indefinitely unless paid. And it takes time to log in and play, which I'm assured is not free. If playing the game itself is the cost for playing the game, then no game is free.
Look, I PLEX my accounts. I never grind. I just play the game and at the end of the month I use a PLEX. It's no more time consuming and no less free than any other game I play and don't pay a sub for.
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Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC Bad Intention
4372
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:33:13 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Look, I PLEX my accounts. I never grind. I just play the game and at the end of the month I use a PLEX. It's no more time consuming and no less free than any other game I play and don't pay a sub for. That's fine. The system in place is nice for you then because through your normal play, you make ISK and have enough of it to PLEX accounts (plural!?). What doesn't change however is that the game is NOT free to play. It may feel like it for you, and that's great, but the game in and of itself is not free to play. If you decided to stop doing things that made ISK, your accounts would lapse and be unavailable.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6808
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:00:24 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Look, I PLEX my accounts. I never grind. I just play the game and at the end of the month I use a PLEX. It's no more time consuming and no less free than any other game I play and don't pay a sub for. That's fine. The system in place is nice for you then because through your normal play, you make ISK and have enough of it to PLEX accounts (plural!?). What doesn't change however is that the game is NOT free to play. It may feel like it for you, and that's great, but the game in and of itself is not free to play. If you decided to stop doing things that made ISK, your accounts would lapse and be unavailable. You don't have to pay money to play the game, which is what the original guy was getting at. If the argument is "but to sub you have to play the game" then any F2P game is also not free. Suggesting that most MMOs are F2P but EVE isn't because :reasons: is wrong, as most MMOs you still need to pay for with a sub, spending time or with an initial outlay.
Effectively EVE is a game that can be paid to play or can be played for free. It's not full on in either category. Either way it has no bearing on that game population trends as the reason for population drops is terrible design and half-assed development, not their choice of revenue streams.
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Glathull
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1113
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:17:41 -
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Someone needs to post a list of the most idiotic people from these forums and get it stickied. That way we can just update it every once in a while. Call it part of the new poster retention effort. Start it with Lucas Kell
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6808
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:20:47 -
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Oh no! I spoke badly of EVE and now I'm being attacked by people who think they are somehow more worthy of an opinion than I am!
It's called the block feature buddy, use it. Reported for personal attack.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12428
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:36:09 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Time is not "free". Even if a person can make 1.2 bil isk on one second, it's still one second you spent. In that case, no MMO is free to play. Of course there are. There are MMOs you download, make an account, login and play. If you want to do that in EVE, you have 30 days to grind out the ISK to PLEX the account, pay with RL money, or no more EVE for you. In fact that account is now off limits indefinitely unless paid. And it takes time to log in and play, which I'm assured is not free. If playing the game itself is the cost for playing the game, then no game is free. Look, I PLEX my accounts. I never grind. I just play the game and at the end of the month I use a PLEX. It's no more time consuming and no less free than any other game I play and don't pay a sub for.
This is simply false. If EVE were free to play, you wouldn't have to do ANYTHING other than play.
I play Star Trek Online. I never have to give someone in game currency to keep playing, it's free to play, the extra stuff is what costs. In EVE, at the end of the month, you either have to pay with money, or make a deal with someone in game for them to pay in exchange for your in-game currency. How hard or easy it was to make that means nothing, an exchange had to occur, it does not in a free to play game.
In STO I can fly around for ever just seeing the sights. In World of Tanks I made an account 3 years ago, logged it in yesterday and it still gives me the same access. Same for LoL. But in EVE if I made an account 3 years ago and let it lapse and then tried to come back now, the ONLY thing I'd get for free is 4 "Hours for Plex" (ie time that can be used to sub or plex).
After the Trial EVE's "free to play" system lasts exactly 4 hours. Whatever your reason for not understanding the distinction I and others make is irrelevent, EVE is not free to play. |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
182
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:40:40 -
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Quote: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
I have cleaned a few Rule 4 and off topic Violators.
~ISD Buldath
Interstellar Services Department
Support, Training and Resources Division
Lt. Commander
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12428
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:44:29 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Oh no! I spoke badly of EVE and now I'm being attacked by people who think they are somehow more worthy of an opinion than I am!
It's called the block feature buddy, use it. Reported for personal attack.
You have a hard time admitting when you are wrong. Not surprising, most people do. The problem here is the difference between dumb and stupid (the below are simply my personal distinctions). If you read what I write, you will understand I'm trying to help you.
"Dumb" people are unintelligent, so when they say dumb things, the proper response (in my opinion) is pity. They can't help being what they are.
"Stupid" people aren't unintelligent, they tend to be smart, but for a variety of reasons (preference, laziness, some personality quirk etc) they 'get it wrong' a lot (and tend to double down furiously when someone attempts to correct their error).
The response 'stupid' people tend to get is rage. Mainly because you know the person should know better (or at least should have to figure it out before getting into yet another circular forum argument that will only lead to submitting to Tippia....again), but they don't for silly reasons.
Hopefully this will help you understand why you get the reaction you do here ALL the time, why you always end up in the middle of a "stupid" circle jerk argument that upsets you so much that you have to press a report button on a forum for revenge against some other video game nerd, rather than have the kind of useful and fun discussion we all know you are capable of if you'd stop making the same mistake over and over. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6808
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:49:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This is simply false. If EVE were free to play, you wouldn't have to do ANYTHING other than play.
I play Star Trek Online. I never have to give someone in game currency to keep playing, it's free to play, the extra stuff is what costs. In EVE, at the end of the month, you either have to pay with money, or make a deal with someone in game for them to pay in exchange for your in-game currency. How hard or easy it was to make that means nothing, an exchange had to occur, it does not in a free to play game.
In STO I can fly around for ever just seeing the sights. In World of Tanks I made an account 3 years ago, logged it in yesterday and it still gives me the same access. Same for LoL. But in EVE if I made an account 3 years ago and let it lapse and then tried to come back now, the ONLY thing I'd get for free is 4 "Hours for Plex" (ie time that can be used to sub or plex).
After the Trial EVE's "free to play" system lasts exactly 4 hours. Whatever your reason for not understanding the distinction I and others make is irrelevent, EVE is not free to play. But then "most" MMOs aren't free to play, since most require you to pay for the game or do something to keep playing. LoL isn't even an MMO, and WoT is arguable.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12428
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:50:54 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:This is simply false. If EVE were free to play, you wouldn't have to do ANYTHING other than play.
I play Star Trek Online. I never have to give someone in game currency to keep playing, it's free to play, the extra stuff is what costs. In EVE, at the end of the month, you either have to pay with money, or make a deal with someone in game for them to pay in exchange for your in-game currency. How hard or easy it was to make that means nothing, an exchange had to occur, it does not in a free to play game.
In STO I can fly around for ever just seeing the sights. In World of Tanks I made an account 3 years ago, logged it in yesterday and it still gives me the same access. Same for LoL. But in EVE if I made an account 3 years ago and let it lapse and then tried to come back now, the ONLY thing I'd get for free is 4 "Hours for Plex" (ie time that can be used to sub or plex).
After the Trial EVE's "free to play" system lasts exactly 4 hours. Whatever your reason for not understanding the distinction I and others make is irrelevent, EVE is not free to play.
Man, you must be typing so furiously you forgot to post.
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