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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2015.09.21 19:25:43 -
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Hello Everyone,
I've operated New Eden's first and finest standings agency for over six years and I'm starting a new recruitment phase.
What does this mean?
I advertise my business which sells standings to characters. We achieve this via running missions with clients in fleet.
I need more missioners. Clients pay me the ISK, you run the missions, I pay you. Your pay is guaranteed (6 years operation without a pay dispute). As you can see from the link in my forum sig (first link) and the links and reviews in there we are well known.
What does this offer you as a missioner?
1. You stay in your own corp. 2. You play when you want to and only when you want to. 3. You can choose contracts that come up on my mailing list. 4. Missioning with one of our clients in fleet will roughly double the value of the LP you transfer to the client.
For example, if completing a mission that awards 2000 ISK/LP, half goes to the client, being 1000 LP. The "standings value" of this mission will roughly pay you twice this value. This is a very approximate calculation - you are not paid based on LP but instead based on how much standing you transfer the client. The harder a missioner the more LP it gives and also the more standing but the two are not directly correlative.
This process is set up to help missioners, particularly blitzers of level 3 and 4 missioners, earn significantly more ISK than otherwise, and enable clients who do not wish to run missions to get standings while doing nothing.
Feel free to read my sell advert thread (first link in forum signature) and contact me if you would be interested in this process and working with me. There is no commitment required (except please tell me if you accept a client's job and then have to stop for some reason) and as you may imagine, having done this for 6 years this is a very smooth operation.
FAQ :
When do I get paid? When you complete a job, or at a "round number" of clients standing, i.e 1.00, 2.00, 3.00 etc.
Which corporations are most popular? Caldari Navy is the #1, then Sisters of Eve, then the research corporations (Lai Dai, Carthum, Zainou etc) and then the other fleet navies.
What about storyline missions? Storyline missions don't share standings with fleet members, so don't do them on our account!
How can I trust you? I've been doing this for 6 years, you can read my forum thread. There has not been a single complaint about not paying missioners.
How can I learn more? Evemail this character ingame.
Thanks for your time reading this!
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
596
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:58:59 -
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52013
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:13:18 -
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In the past I had thought about starting a Standings Business but after a while I realized Exploration was my true calling.
Anyway, good luck with the business.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Ginger Longrun
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.23 22:10:56 -
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So many things left to chance in your plan I dont even know where to start.
Do you calculate how much you pay to the mission runner based on his relevant social skills?
How do you calculate payouts exactly - what is the formula?
In essence how do you guarantee that the pay for the mission runner is larger than what he shared trough LP and mission ISK reward?
For example
How much will you pay a security mission runner with level 5/5/5 (Negociation / Security Connections / Social) for each LP shared when each LP is worth - lets say - 1500isk to him. How about a 3/4/5 or a 4/4/5 and so on?
How will the mission runner know when the client has reached the standing he has payed for so he can exit fleet and not share LP/ISK for something he is not payed for? |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
334
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Posted - 2015.09.23 22:48:16 -
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Ginger Longrun wrote:So many things left to chance in your plan I dont even know where to start.
Do you calculate how much you pay to the mission runner based on his relevant social skills?
How do you calculate payouts exactly - what is the formula?
In essence how do you guarantee that the pay for the mission runner is larger than what he shared trough LP and mission ISK reward?
For example
How much will you pay a security mission runner with level 5/5/5 (Negociation / Security Connections / Social) for each LP shared when each LP is worth - lets say - 1500isk to him. How about a 3/4/5 or a 4/4/5 and so on?
I understand you dont pay based on LP ... how then?
How will the mission runner know when the client has reached the standing he has payed for so he can exit fleet and not share LP/ISK for something he is not payed for?
If you can provide satisfying answers to the above concerns I will sign up my carebear pilots
1. You get paid for getting a client standings. Your level of social means you earn that standing faster. Just like "Erect a fence." If you're good at it you'll do it quicker. You get paid the same amount in less time. $100 for putting up the fence. Fence Building - 5% increased fence building speed per level. At V you get $100 25% faster.
2. The payouts are a set amount for 0 > 1, for example, is 97.5mil. This is based on me doing a load of missions, averaging how long it took me to get standings (and how much LP and ISK was transferred to the client) and then choosing a value above this at a level that was high enough to encourage missioners and low enough to attract clients.
3. This business would not exist if you didn't earn more. I've been here for 6 years. Come work with me, do a single contract 0 > 1 and do the math yourself. I really can't promise more than that.
4. For the first 12 months of my business the clients paid based on LP. This method was non functional. Missions pay different LP based on system security, corporation and so forth. That doesn't function, as a currency it doesn't correlate. We simply set the prices we pay missioners "high enough" for it to be valuable to you. Again, come and try a 0 > 1, it's a 1hr contract or two at most. You hate it? I pay you and you walk.
5. We use calculation spreadsheets to determine client standing. It is 99% accurate (rounding). Sometimes you will go over. A client going to 5.00, at 4.98, a mission might give the client enough to place him at 5.01. You don't get paid for the .01 unless the client then books 5 > 6. Otherwise it's a gift and is unavoidable.
Hope that helps.
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Ginger Longrun
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.24 11:14:36 -
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After a chatt with owner of this service I must say in no way I will ever consider working like this.
I'll give the details here so people can make up their own minds.
From the ammount client pays for the contract you get 65% owner gets 35%.
In essence you end up with 2/3 of pay but give up a big chunk of LP/ISK while the owner gets 1/3 of your hard work doing nothing but managing contracts.
Its just to greedy of a scheme, but thats just my oppinion on the matter.
But the isk might be higher so to each his own. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
335
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:52:54 -
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Ginger Longrun wrote:After a chatt with owner of this service I must say in no way I will ever consider working like this.
I'll give the details here so people can make up their own minds.
From the ammount client pays for the contract you get 65% owner gets 35%.
In essence you end up with 2/3 of pay but give up a big chunk of LP/ISK while the owner gets 1/3 of your hard work doing nothing but managing contracts.
Its just to greedy of a scheme, but thats just my oppinion on the matter.
But the isk might be higher so to each his own.
Well that's totally against the tone of the conversation we had yesterday, but I guess you're right.
You never asked me what I do to earn my cut and you never asked me to justify why I the missioner/admin split is at the level it is.
As I said to you yesterday - this service has been running for 6 years. If my only motivation was that I was "greedy" do you really think I'd still be here 6 years later?
Would I have written a standings syallbus for Eve University? http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Standings_and_Standing_Mechanics
Would I have lead a class to EUni students to teach this syllabus?
Would I have setup a community for epic arc missioners to share information/strategy? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5220216#post5220216
Would I run a free third party service? (It's in my signature)
Would I answer evemails from people who do not even want to use my service to explain to them the benefits of different routes to standings, methods of obtaining it and in many cases designing individualised standings plans for people - for free - just so the standings mechanics of Eve are easier to navigate?
Nammira wrote:I've not done business with him because I'm a new player with not much isk, but we've talked a lot about standings and I've asked him a lot of questions. He help me to choose the right decisons and now I know what I need to do.
It's a very kind person, he's happy to help players even if no isk are involved, I recommend him.
The above quote is from my forum thread...
The missioner and admin split is simple - missioners get paid substantial amounts of money, I earn enough to make me want to continue "managing contracts" which of course contains a vast amount of effort you didn't take the time to talk to me about and uncover.
I'm absolutely fine with your opinion being posted on here, but I'm dissapointed that you would accuse me of things you never even spoke to me about, without researching my background or investigating my intentions at all.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
403
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:57:48 -
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I'm not surprised, their tone was super hostile form the start. I'd have been suspicious if suddenly the tone changed to friendly |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8629
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:24:27 -
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Given that, if what Ginger says is true, and you take 35%, what is the appeal for dedicated mission runners to do this, beyond helping others raise their standings?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:32:36 -
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I was curious about this service, so to get an informed opinion on this I volunteered my services to the OP and I am currently working a contract for him.
I have a question to the OP though, I always thought standings were shared regardless if you shared the mission reward? |
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
335
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:04:11 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Given that, if what Ginger says is true, and you take 35%, what is the appeal for dedicated mission runners to do this, beyond helping others raise their standings?
You make more money. Pretty simple.
Estella Osoka wrote:I was curious about this service, so to get an informed opinion on this I volunteered my services to the OP and I am currently working a contract for him.
I have a question to the OP though, I always thought standings were shared regardless if you shared the mission reward?
No, you have to check share rewards when you complete the mission for standings to be shared.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
403
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:04:47 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:I was curious about this service, so to get an informed opinion on this I volunteered my services to the OP and I am currently working a contract for him.
I have a question to the OP though, I always thought standings were shared regardless if you shared the mission reward? Nope, standings is part of the 'mission reward'. Always has been as far as I can remember. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
790
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:08:48 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Given that, if what Ginger says is true, and you take 35%, what is the appeal for dedicated mission runners to do this, beyond helping others raise their standings? You make more money. Pretty simple. Estella Osoka wrote:I was curious about this service, so to get an informed opinion on this I volunteered my services to the OP and I am currently working a contract for him.
I have a question to the OP though, I always thought standings were shared regardless if you shared the mission reward? No, you have to check share rewards when you complete the mission for standings to be shared.
Which I have been doing, but I could swear there was a point in the past where you didn't have to do that. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:54:31 -
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Is there anyone stupid enough to do this?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
791
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Posted - 2015.09.25 00:02:37 -
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Gimme Sake wrote: Is there anyone stupid enough to do this?
Yes, because some people do not want to grind standings, and are insanely EVE rich. |
Arean Proktor
Chilli Joe
10
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Posted - 2015.09.25 07:30:26 -
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First of all, thanks to the OP.
I just finished my first contract with him and it gave me a quite nice amount of extra isk with only a marginal amount of extra work. 35% for his work seems like a fair deal for me, because I have zero interest in setting up a buisness like this and without him I would have exactly zero extra isk.
Ginger Longrun, if you feel 35% is too much, feel free to set up a buisness yourself and harvest the rich fields. Don-Št count on me tho, from what I have seen here I would never do buisness with you.
So to any potential recruits: I recommend this service. Want OP claims is true, he nearly doubled the isk amount for the LP gained.
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
338
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Posted - 2015.10.05 11:21:32 -
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The search continues for missioners
Current outstanding contracts : Caldari Navy x 2 and Emperor Family
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
439
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Posted - 2015.10.05 12:23:17 -
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Guess I'll have to go grind some nay standings then lol. Now where'd a put my lv3 blitzer... |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
340
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Posted - 2015.10.05 13:38:52 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Guess I'll have to go grind some nay standings then lol. Now where'd a put my lv3 blitzer...
If you're after Caldari Navy, go to Suroken, three level 3 security agents and a level 2 in a single station.
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
343
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Posted - 2015.11.04 09:36:08 -
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We have outstanding Caldari Navy contracts. Come one, come all. Still recruiting.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4758
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:47:21 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:We have outstanding Caldari Navy contracts. Come one, come all. Still recruiting. Maybe check your mail. I've sent you at least one request that's gone unanswered...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
343
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Posted - 2015.11.24 16:28:40 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:We have outstanding Caldari Navy contracts. Come one, come all. Still recruiting. Maybe check your mail. I've sent you at least one request that's gone unanswered...
Not seeing it :)
I get an awful lot of mail
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
18
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:04:27 -
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I'll be back with you shortly Imiarr. Sorted out some rl stuff, got a few epic arcs out of the way, grinding up an alt and can now get back to missions on my main.
In case anyone hasn't gathered, I heartily recommend this product and/or service. I run missions anyway, this just tops up the income.
Anize, can you factor this extra ISK into your blitz plan? I wanna see Jenn asplode with rage. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
343
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Posted - 2015.11.27 08:41:40 -
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Outstanding Caldari Navy contracts
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
716
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:21:36 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:I'll be back with you shortly Imiarr. Sorted out some rl stuff, got a few epic arcs out of the way, grinding up an alt and can now get back to missions on my main.
In case anyone hasn't gathered, I heartily recommend this product and/or service. I run missions anyway, this just tops up the income.
Anize, can you factor this extra ISK into your blitz plan? I wanna see Jenn asplode with rage.
Consider this a free bump but sharing 1/2 of your LP would surely be a net loss to anyone like Anize?
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:25:39 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:I'll be back with you shortly Imiarr. Sorted out some rl stuff, got a few epic arcs out of the way, grinding up an alt and can now get back to missions on my main.
In case anyone hasn't gathered, I heartily recommend this product and/or service. I run missions anyway, this just tops up the income.
Anize, can you factor this extra ISK into your blitz plan? I wanna see Jenn asplode with rage. Consider this a free bump but sharing 1/2 of your LP would surely be a net loss to anyone like Anize?
Quite possibly, not gonna bother trying to math that. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
343
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:35:22 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:I'll be back with you shortly Imiarr. Sorted out some rl stuff, got a few epic arcs out of the way, grinding up an alt and can now get back to missions on my main.
In case anyone hasn't gathered, I heartily recommend this product and/or service. I run missions anyway, this just tops up the income.
Anize, can you factor this extra ISK into your blitz plan? I wanna see Jenn asplode with rage. Consider this a free bump but sharing 1/2 of your LP would surely be a net loss to anyone like Anize?
Standings and LP are awarded based on mission difficulty, which is a metric generated by CCP based on how long a mission takes and how frequently the mission is done by pilots.
So if a mission is done rarely for a corporation, it's worth more, but if it takes less time, it's worth less.
Burner missions are currently high payouts based on this metric because not many people do them, and they still take a modest amount of time (but less than say, The Blockade, which takes a long time but many people do).
Since LP is roughly correlative of standing gain, the profits should be equal.
I have previously blitzed burner missions for standings clients, the results from my experience are that the ISK per LP value of the missions is similar, but if you can blitz the burners, the jobs take much less time.
So in terms of ISK/Hr the profit goes up, in terms of ISK/LP its pretty much the same, but only because you burn through contracts quickly, making "ISK/Hr" a valueless metric anyway because these contracts aren't infinite.
Hope that helps.
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
350
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Posted - 2015.12.06 12:44:32 -
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We continue to exist. And will do so until I am dead.
At which point the project will probably become property of the goverment due to English inheritance tax laws
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.12.06 18:01:26 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:We continue to exist. And will do so until I am dead. At which point the project will probably become property of the goverment due to English inheritance tax laws
What a jolly post. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
352
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Posted - 2015.12.19 23:00:21 -
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Still recruiting.
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