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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12432
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Posted - 2015.09.22 14:54:26 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread
I second that /Thread
Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3128
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Posted - 2015.09.22 15:00:54 -
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I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32354
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Posted - 2015.09.22 15:53:42 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items. CCP alt spotted
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
82
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:19:24 -
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Great thing any about business model is that it will prove itself right or wrong based on the customers demand for the content. The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes.
I wouldn't worry about it honestly if nobody buys them at the price they are at then they will be price reduced down to nothing for me I turned off the ship skinning to save video memory.
Since I know the effort required I would buy a ship package or maybe gift them to someone else for 5 dollars worth of isk or about 250m at the current Plex rate. By package I mean all skins for 1 ship, for supers I might go as high as 500m for all or 10$.
They don't even change the effects on the ships to a special color or something more interesting if you want to compete with Riot games at least study what they do then create your content.
I am sure you know some people at Riot, ask them. :-)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25114
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:48:10 -
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Verstal wrote: The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes. If this is so, how come CCP didn't introduce it years ago, and why was T'Amber/Apricot Baby the main source of potential ship skins before CCP ran with it? If it was as easy as you assume it to be, there should have been many more people extracting base models and textures, then dropping them into photoshop and creating stuff for us to drool over.
Quote:Since I know the effort required Given your previous nonsensical "I am a dev" posting about the direction that CCP are taking Eve I would have to say that you're telling pork pies.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2232
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:51:15 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up
The constitution does not apply to privately owned board.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12436
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:52:22 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. /thread
That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3128
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:53:42 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items. CCP alt spotted I'm flattered, you are wrong, but I am flattered nonetheless.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25114
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:56:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. /thread That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here. 60 of the 63 clauses of the Magna Carta are no longer part of English Law. Denied
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6323
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:06:01 -
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If the price is too high, people will not buy it, which means the price will come down on it's own until what CCP feels is the "sweet spot" is hit.
Personally, I'd like to see them swing a bit lower as well... but then again, I won't be spending real money for them either.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5381
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:14:30 -
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I haven't purchased any skins yet (I do have legacy ones from the free aurum they handed out when NES opened).
I would if they were more affordable. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2566
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:25:18 -
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I bought a few and will again if i see some i like.
Its not a poor business model, though the prices are a tad high, but its ccp game and company and they can set whatever damn price for a vanity or non essential item they want.
stop whining and if you don;t like them then *gasp* don;t buy them
/thread
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1755
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Posted - 2015.09.22 18:32:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:i think they are a tad expensive yeah but hardly outrageously so.
hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...
pretty much. although I did spend ~2.5bil for a rattler VE, and ~3bil on a quafe mega a while back. There are a few others I wouldn't mind getting, but not really worth it to me quite yet. The oracle skins look pretty nice, and I like a few other ones, but with just the number of ships I can fly, and the price of skins I probably won't be buying them at a high rate, but probably will pick a few up here and there.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1195
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:51:07 -
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Not sure how many years it might take for CCP to recoup the eve player cash they threw down the pan on dust and vampires, but if i was the corporate them, i'd try and milk it back from the eve community via skins and the likes, so i dunno - working as intended?
Concord Approved Trader
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
592
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:02:56 -
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Each to their own. I prefer to play with my zoom out to see at least 3/4 of grid - alas I just see dots brackets and icons. |
Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:12:37 -
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The way they implemented skins is a ridiculous wasted opportunity and a short sighted money grab. There is no reason why skins couldn't be a basic ship customizing tool based on various templates and color swatches etc. They should have been a regular ingame feature that added flavor to ships you manufacture/purchase, not an immersion breaking money grab.
The thing that makes this game so stale is that even though you built it, nothing about it feels like it is unique to you or different from others....and by it, I mean literally everything manufactured.
See this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5599875#post5599875 this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5457452#post5457452 this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5438577#post5438577 ...but mainly this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5424964#post5424964 |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:19:09 -
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Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden. |
Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Blades of Grass
121
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:28:05 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden. Yawn... |
Marsha Mallow
2535
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:12:01 -
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Bosswoman wrote:I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins.
With that whats your thoughts? I'm not keen, but I'm hoping there's a reason. SKINS are being sold via Aurum which is handled at the backend (financially) differently to Plex. It might be an experiment in a new type of currency. They probably are trying to find the sweet spot with regard pricing so I'm not sure it's worth having a massive fit over whilst it's being tweaked. Although I too like to grumble and am not buying a thing. We kicked off over Monoclegate and $1000 jeans and basically curtailed attempts to revise the subscription model via vanity items, but the sub model really does need to change. These are purely vanity items, and bizarely there are people willing to spend $1000s on it. From a personal perspective, it's a concern that other players are chucking that type of money at digital items, but it's rife in gaming so... awkward. If it allows CCP to rebuild the subscription model so they can actually go FTP I support it. Even if it is rocky to start with. I just won't buy anything for the time being.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it. Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol
Jenn aSide wrote:A society and a specific generation that thinks everything should be free, that's who.
I don't care fore 180 dollar skins, so I don't buy 180 dollar skins. I also don't complain to the people selling them that they should make them more affordable for me. Ummm no. I won't overpay for trash but I can see others doing so ingame (do a lot of recruitment etc so you see wallets/character purchases etc). Had one guy a few weeks ago show me a screeny of his eve-o account management showing $500 of Plex purchases a month. He's less than a year ingame, has multiple high sp characters, every super etc etc but has no idea how to play. You might normally write these people off as sillies, but that's a corpie in a tight knit group, so it does make you cringe. There is also a murky side with implementing this because it means explicity gouging wallet wielding numpties to benefit the wider community - but they're still part of our community and our mates, so. Yeh, not keen. I've seen a couple do this to such excess they had to RMT their way out of game to pay for basic RL stuff (ex, a boiler) and then got whacked with the banhammer and slid into really bad depression.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Marsha Mallow
2535
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:14:21 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.
True
Harry Saq wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Generic non-insightful yartard statement... Yawn...
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25118
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:14:16 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it. Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol Fair comment
That said, my beef in the summer of rage wasn't with the prices of the items that were initially available in the NEX store, it was CCP's blase and dismissive attitude to concerns about golden ships and ammo as well as the overall failure to deliver on promises and the worthless half-arsed implementation of WiS.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Nyu Kaminari
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:24:37 -
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The skins are just extra. I don't mind the business model because most people who think they'd be irrelevant would never pay for them anyway. My nature is a little vein when it comes to EVE so as long as they are not charging 100 bucks and I can get most of them by trading in-game currency to Plex/AUR; seems alright to me. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
149
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:27:02 -
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Skins are simply a money spinner for CCP, and have no relevance in the game. It is disappointing as destructible shiny painted corp and faction ships was something a lot of people were looking forward to. This has pushed that prospect way into the future now if ever at all..
Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:48:40 -
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What's a yartard? Is that even a word? When I google it, I find this thread, so it's probably not. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
305
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:54:10 -
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Don't like them, don't buy them.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
241
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:12:53 -
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Prices are a bit high. Would be fine if it applied to the entire hull line and not one specific ship our of the line....
Been around since the beginning.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1588
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Posted - 2015.09.23 03:19:59 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden. Why would you buy something with no production limits to feel unique? I didn't acquire a skin to feel unique, I bought one because I felt the Golem looked better in Kaalakiota colors. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14004
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:02:30 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features. Nice shirt, Bro! I had one of those but in navy blue. I sold it for what isk I bought it for after I bought the full pirate faction suit that I have on right now using aur/cash. The eye thing I won in a forum competition. Bought one bomber skin with cash/aur and another frig skin with isk. It all doesn't look as cool as the old avatars, but dang bro!, you look amazing in that "barbie" suit. Rock ooon!
<-- btw far from a fan of WiS, but I've helped CCP recoop some loss after they repented from WiS and did things the way we wanted, I give them that. Note to CCP: Western style cowboy hats, naow!
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
305
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:24:22 -
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Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums to create the impression of player-based support for their "new ideas" (which are actually modifications to fit business models)? Yeah. Odd, huh? Almost devious.
Ship skins. ROFLMAO. Ship skins.
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14005
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:33:26 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:[i]Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums <-- CIA operative Yeah, I pass intel and orders to the goons on what to do. Forget western style cowboy hats, CCP tinfoil hats, naow!
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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