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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.24 05:59:31 -
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Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it.
I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks. CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc
I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me. Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282 |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
152
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:26:20 -
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That is just wrong. Toying with the history and fabric of EVE (apparently loss doesn't seem to have consequences) just so you can save yourself some dev time to not have to come up with a new model for a tournament prize. That is not "supporting storyline" as he puts it, it's "fcking with storyline". |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:36:48 -
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Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:41:53 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2518
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:59:37 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote: Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.
If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game. So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
364
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:02:53 -
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They're re-releasing the old ships, just changing the numbers around. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:03:18 -
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Aren't there only 4 new Gold Magnates being released? (I haven't checked)
I can understand the concern, but not too bothered by it myself. Giving one to everyone would be too much, since it wouldn't be unique anymore, but not sure where I sit on how many is ok. Doesn't seem like 4 additional ones will damage the uniqueness of them.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:04:53 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote: Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.
If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game. So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships. Were they rebalancing them? So the existing ones will be updated to the new stats too I think.
Not totally certain though, so quite possibly also wrong.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
613
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:05:41 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Let's hope so, because if "new" just simply means "re-released", then they are going to loose a lot of support from players regarding ship SKIN's, including me. The idea of SKIN's are great and all, but there's a thin line between a long sought after method of ship customization players have wanted for so long and downright slapping unique and prized ship owners in the face. Ultimately, it's CCP's final decision to move forward in such a direction or not, Eve and all content within it after all are their property and it's within their right, but many players will have a field day nonetheless if it comes to that. They should tread lightly, not because we players have some self-imposed right or some fictitious contractual leverage, but out of mere professional courtesy and respect for the customers they do business with.
I have faith they know the difference and are better than that. Once pics come out of what these so-called "new" Magnates, will see for sure.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:06:47 -
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I don't know how many they're releasing , one is too many as far as I'm concerned.
https://twitter.com/EvePodcasts/status/645324972752281600 Fozzie talked about there being a wrong way and a right way to re-release uniques in this podcast, this tournament being the "right way" .
Personally I'd say there is no right way once your company has announced there will never be more of a ship-type released and people buy and sell trusting that they're not lying. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:10:42 -
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Not new per se. Rebalanced.
From a Reddit post by Sugar Kyle:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3lree7/csm10_csmx_post_28_sugar_kyle_noreply_at/?
and linked interview with Fozzie:
http://newedenupdate.com/2015/09/19/new-eden-update-episode-70-19th-september-2015/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EvePodcastsList+%28Eve+Online+Ultimate+Podcast+RSS+Feed%29
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Big Lynx
3960
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:26:29 -
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Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:30:10 -
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I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:33:30 -
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Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source. Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing. Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
366
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:39:02 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:00:17 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source. Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing. Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number.
They released a fifth impoc, only to immediately realize they messed up and take it back. Memory may be funny but them having promised never to release more was the reason that BIG Lottery impoc didn't stay in the game.
So basically they broke their promise once, CCP Oveur fixed the mistake. (Doesn't work there anymore.) Tried to again through Somer Blink in mindbogglingly stupid fashion, changed their minds due to community response. Now trying to again out of what appears to be sheer lazyness. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:01:20 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes. Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ?
O OK so then it's absolutely no big deal at all. |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:02:49 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Sweet... Go earn some Isk and buy it. Like I did. Like everyone can.
Or are you just lazy like ccp? |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.09.24 15:52:47 -
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I say keep the silver and gold Magnate in place as they are and release a new "platinum Magnate" with new stats.
Old owners stay happy and new ones have a truly unique Magnate of their own, even the old collecters can strive for to get their hands on. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2239
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:05:09 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
Don't buy overpriced stuff based on their rarity. |
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
624
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:11:56 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Would it not be better to have "new" gold/silver ships? Why magnate, why not gold/silver crucifier, etc.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2582
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:18:49 -
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TT, didn;t you win the first one in the amarr championships?
if so, then why wouldn;t another amarr championships have the same prizes? Thought they never said, afaik, that they would never make new ships of the old limited edition ones.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
369
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:21:57 -
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Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ? |
Tiagra May
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:31:22 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas
Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:35:36 -
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The issue here is the occasion on which they are releasing them. Its Amarr succesion trials. Blame Amarr.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:36:18 -
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Tiagra May wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet.
My "space pixels" lost "space pixels money" value!!!!!!! |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:01:18 -
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After the stratios ER skin bs I'm not the slightest bit surprised they pull a d-move like this, honestly.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11990
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:03:15 -
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* puts pants on head, sets pants on fire, runs around screaming *
Better the Devil you know.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:37:51 -
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Unique - Einn af a g+¦+¦ur. J+ªja, hugsanlega tv+¦. There. Now we'll get somewhere with this.
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Pentara
Galactic Response Team
0
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:41:32 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ?
It's frustrating to say the least.
I used to fly my Silver Magnate all the time. CCP re-balanced all the ships a few years back and never touched the Silver Magnate, giving it just base stats. I honestly think the last time I flew in 0.0 was when you could triple MWD it, still fly sometimes in empire.
Yes, I bought it because I used to be a collector. I do remember CCP saying they would not be re-released. That being said, I understand the reason for them to be re-released, I don't think an alliance tournament is the way to do it. It extremely limits who can get these rare ships.
That being said, I would prefer the original ships to remain significant in some way. Just releasing all these extra ships does nothing to the current owners but de-value them. |
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