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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:36:27 -
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Entity wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:And this is not a problem provided they were a special release, as opposed to a limited release. The limited vs special distinction is something introduced a very long time after the release of those ships, and at the time they were handed out with the implication that if they were gone, they would be gone forever. There's probably some CCP posts floating around in the old forums archive saying something to that extent.
The one that are gone are still gone forever. It's not like OP can have his gold magnate from back then. He might somehow get his hand on another one but never the one that was destroyed. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:37:49 -
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TinkerHell wrote:As a ship collector after this move, the ishukone scorp becoming just a skin where the rattlesnake victory stays as a ship (yes it matters) and the release of ishukone scorps to blink. I have now reached my limit and will not be collecting 'special' ships anymore. I have lost enough isk thanks. Another part of eve has been ruined for me.
How many silver magnates have they released? 6 factions, 4 teams each of 4? 96 Silver Magnates? I know of 6 Silver Magnates ingame currently. We are not talking about 1-100b loss for investors but about hundreds of billions! Its a lame move to pull. You could have probably got a silver Magnate for 800b before the announcement. Now as there will be 102 ingame, you can probably pick one up for 20b or less. (especially as collectors will have no faith in it holding its value, the next emperor/empress could die the next day)
Oh noes!!!! Someone speculating on the value of pixels lost pixel value!!!!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
383
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:52:20 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Lore wise the Magnate is supposed to be some pinnacle of Amarrian artistic expression and luxury so that is why another hull is probably not chosen as a reward.
I like to collect too and don't understand all the whinging over a tiny handful of ships but possibly there is time for an art dev to do two new hulls in gemstone colors or other rich materials instead of metallics to appease the 1% ?
Ruby, Sapphire, and Amethyst are all traditional imperial colors after all. (Crimson, Blue, and Purple)
or Ivory and Jet? (with gold/silver hightlights)
It isn't really constructive to just complain without suggesting alternatives.
That said one might guess an artist already spent time on the new Gold and Silver versions and probably proud of their work and wanting to show it off.
These complaints are really selfish as far as that goes IMO.
I don't see anything selfish about wanting CCP to honor their promises, especially considering I don't own any uniques. If they wasted art time on it that's their very easily avoided mistake, and as you say it's supposed to be a work of art, if you give out a painting as a prize maybe it should actually be an original instead of a copy ? Giving the exact same artwork out twice cheapens both. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
71
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Posted - 2015.09.25 14:39:29 -
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cant wait for the impoc to be on markets \o/ |
John WarpingSlow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2015.09.25 14:54:45 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
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Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1124
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Posted - 2015.09.25 15:46:21 -
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What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.
Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.
Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.
There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?
Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
383
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:01:03 -
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John WarpingSlow wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it. |
Tonai Kion
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
19
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Posted - 2015.09.25 18:07:04 -
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Holy moley. Is it 2013 again? I remember when Riot changed the legacy skins for limited times again and the fare skin owners went nuts over it citing they spent hundreds of dollars acquiring them. One thing collectors never realize is that it is possible that things get re released, and if you are. Banking on them not releasing something because they said they wouldn't ten years ago, you are making a huge error in judgement |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1126
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Posted - 2015.09.25 18:16:53 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:John WarpingSlow wrote:You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it. Glathull wrote:What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.
Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.
Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.
There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?
Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess. No problem with doing that, the problem would be that they aren't making any effort at all, if they did what you're describing it wouldn't be the same ship, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
And you know this how? From one tweet that gave absolutely no details about they are or are not planning to do?
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
387
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Posted - 2015.09.25 22:30:48 -
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I don't know it for sure and I would be happy to be wrong. All they've said is "We're re-issuing the Gold and Silver Magnates" re-issue sounds like the same thing to me, rebalanced or not. |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
965
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Posted - 2015.09.25 23:09:17 -
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Look, who cares if Lucas changed it so Greedo shot first. Greedo died, Han clearly knew trouble was coming as he undid the safety strap, and Ham still comes out as the bad posterior region he is.
Oh wait... This is about the magnates. Look, who cares if CCP opts to reissue an old rare ship. More chances for the rest of us to see it and let it spread tales of wonder through out eve. It would be fun, plus it is their game. Much like Star Wars was Lucas's story, their story/game, their choice.
And in all honesty, you are asking a company to be held to a statement it made 5+ years ago That is not related to a safety or warranty question, when it had no clue which direction Eve would head. Can we hold the OP to every statement he made 5 or more years ago? Can we hold him to any statement today five years from now? |
Salvos Rhoska
1515
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Posted - 2015.09.25 23:16:15 -
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I'm greatly amused by people worried about losing value on their 800bil spinnable space pixels
This is a kind of insane level of first world problem that I can't even remotely relate to and find just flat out funny.
PvE v PvP
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
193
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Posted - 2015.09.26 02:15:53 -
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RIP Eve.
Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
14878
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Posted - 2015.09.26 05:42:14 -
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As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1479
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Posted - 2015.09.26 08:52:33 -
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Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. I N F A M O U S
494
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Posted - 2015.09.26 21:36:06 -
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Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
Wrong argument. A new "history" and lore can be created from a newer edition of the same ship
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Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:10:36 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.
One: I think you're a crybaby. Most bittervets are, so that's ok.
Two; the last time they were released as prizes for the Amarr Championships, thematically there is nothing wrong about them doing it again for the same event, and it is only a handful of ships at best. So their market value drops maybe a couple of billion, big deal.
Three: because you'll probably bring this up, I've played this game also for almost ten years now on various characters. In my mind there is no intrinsic historical value to some damn pixels. But you'll probably have your way and the ships wont be released, so I don't see the point in continuing this discussion. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
392
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Posted - 2015.09.26 23:37:06 -
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You must be mistaking me for someone who cares about what's thematically reasonable when it comes to broken promises. also for someone who cares how long you've played (?) anwyays I seriously doubt I'll have my way
PS; I'm sure you would think it was a big deal if your silver magnate dropped from 800 bil to 40 bil worth, but as i said before I don't own any uniques nor do I think ISK is a particularly important factor, most of the current owners are probably so rich it doesn't have any real effect |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1197
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Posted - 2015.09.27 02:14:35 -
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Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one.
I'm trying very hard to resist the temptation of jesting CCP and Volkswagen.
Concord Approved Trader
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
194
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Posted - 2015.09.27 04:26:18 -
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I'd expect a better response from a brick wall.
Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2540
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Posted - 2015.09.27 04:32:29 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one. Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament. In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note.
The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1487
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Posted - 2015.09.27 07:20:50 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one. Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament. In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note. The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about.
It's almost as if you're making up :logic: to make it sound reasonable, almost... |
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
82
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Posted - 2015.09.27 13:28:34 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk you have known CCP longer then any one, the people that made those claims no longer work at CCP, you know this. So trying to hold the new people accountable for promises made 10 years ago is a little silly, all it is a 3D model that was remade and almost never seen by anyone in the game. They have lots of content like this always thought it was a waste, let us buy everything no body cares about the history or fabric of Eve storylines these days, they need anything they can find to spark peoples interest, content never seen is content wasted. Also think about all the skins they can sell at least 4. :-) |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2015.09.27 14:52:07 -
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It's still the same company , guarantees made by devs back then still bind them as far as I'm concerned, 12 years not 10 btw :) |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
497
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Posted - 2015.09.27 16:12:38 -
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Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in.
All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs...
So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1488
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:32:59 -
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Mocam wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in. All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs... So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships.
If you don't seem to care, why would you want them back? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1601
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Posted - 2015.09.27 20:47:17 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants.
Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.27 21:06:18 -
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But to all of us demonstrated Navy Abaddon. Give him the winner. And here is we will not give. (Warning !, a bad gesture)
Rejoices in the Gold Magnate. Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1488
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Posted - 2015.09.27 21:39:23 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants. Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.
That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.
You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.27 22:19:11 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants. Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists. That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply: Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship? Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine. You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds.
It seems that we take at the time the CCP? Or maybe they just should not have to hurry? Yes, and do not touch the Empress. And just hold domestic championship in each state. Where would be able to participate, each RP player. For example at the Amarr, among the royal of families were the race. But is not present it was necessary to touched. Even Reward can not come up. They give junk. Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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