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Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:46:00 -
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EvE is dismantling itself. |
Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 17:08:13 -
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TinkerHell wrote:
Hate to break it to you, but to some collectors the value of an item means more than the item itself and not for investment purposes. Things like rarity, limited edition matter.
I see. No need to "hate to break it to me", btw. It didnt hurt me in any way shape or form.
In that case, this sort of collector who appreciates this kind of value should be glad, as they too can now own a golden magnate, as there were none left in existance at this time, as well as now aquire a limited edition silver magnate too if they did not have one before, or were unable to aquire one (or more of them).
Surely this is good news for them?
PvE v PvP
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Rutoo
Interstellar Renegades Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:17:16 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships! History is not something that can be lost. What was and happened before, was and happened before. Nothing can change that, nor diminish that. Even if people forget what happened, it still happened. Even though history may be presented subjectively in different ways, the historical facts remain indelible. Re-issuing a ship, does not change that OP lost the only original. Its recorded in the archives of EVE, even though that ship no longer exists, and long after OP/its owner also no longer exists. That the ship would be re-issued, does not change that. History is not lost, as long as there are those who remember it, and the records of what occured. Even if those are elements are lost, history remains a matter of fact, which has resulted in the present and informs the future. As such, it always remains with us, as who we are, where we came from, and who we will become.
This history of the only Gold Magnate ever issued was lost in combat, will be lost. That's what the OP is talking about. That history, his history, is being destroyed on a whim because CCP is lazy and either doesn't want to create different rewards, or just got completely lazy with their storytelling and tried to re-hash old stories.
Lame. |
Rutoo
Interstellar Renegades Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:22:50 -
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TinkerHell wrote:
You dont think its price will come down much? I had an offer for 880b on my magnate, now i cant even get an offer of 100b. Its value will be around 20b if you look at the price of the ishukone scorps before they became skins.
I had offers between 400b-500b for mine before the news came out. This is just unfathomable. Is CCP going to reimburse me for the lost value because of their laziness?
Now they come out with "Given that under "normal circumstances" the leader of the Amarr Empire can reign for >500 years, this might very well be the last Amarr Championship we ever see."
So the last Amarr Empire lasted 12 years. Congrats CCP. You could have come up with a better reason than this. But lets face it, Someone in the CCP offices has been trying to get this ship re-released for the last couple years. rumours of lotto rewards, and now this. Sad. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:30:21 -
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http://fav.me/d30n6cp It would be awesome gift. Moreover and for memory.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:32:33 -
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Rutoo wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships! History is not something that can be lost. What was and happened before, was and happened before. Nothing can change that, nor diminish that. Even if people forget what happened, it still happened. Even though history may be presented subjectively in different ways, the historical facts remain indelible. Re-issuing a ship, does not change that OP lost the only original. Its recorded in the archives of EVE, even though that ship no longer exists, and long after OP/its owner also no longer exists. That the ship would be re-issued, does not change that. History is not lost, as long as there are those who remember it, and the records of what occured. Even if those are elements are lost, history remains a matter of fact, which has resulted in the present and informs the future. As such, it always remains with us, as who we are, where we came from, and who we will become. This history of the only Gold Magnate ever issued was lost in combat, will be lost. That's what the OP is talking about. That history, his history, is being destroyed on a whim because CCP is lazy and either doesn't want to create different rewards, or just got completely lazy with their storytelling and tried to re-hash old stories.
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
PvE v PvP
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:36:10 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:50:39 -
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Vollhov wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner. Nothing about the past is being changed, thus there is no rewrite of history.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:06:09 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner. Nothing about the past is being changed, thus there is no rewrite of history. It's not the same for everybody.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:20:46 -
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Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though.
I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial. |
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:28:58 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though. I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial.
Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age? Have you read the Chronicle? Read hotels books and Chronicles. Then Kiss stories alliances capsuleer on the periphery. Combine them. And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys)
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Marsha Mallow
2561
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:35:00 -
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Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old.
It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh.
Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:49:18 -
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Vollhov wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though. I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial. Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age? Have you read the Chronicle? Read hotels books and Chronicles. Then Kiss stories alliances capsuleer on the periphery. Combine them. And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys) Read the chronicle, which to my recollection doesn't even mention the magnate, much less enshrine in any lore or history any inability to be reproduced by the empire. So in this combined story, is that something actually mentioned? Or does the rerelease actually not violate any lore or history?
If it's the latter, then all you've brought up is irrelevant, if the former, you have my concession. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:54:15 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old. It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh. Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.
Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Marsha Mallow
2563
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:06:12 -
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Vollhov wrote:Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress. She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet. RIP hoodies.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:12:24 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Vollhov wrote:Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress. She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet. RIP hoodies. On this topic. Give the winners a new ship, not old. Which is how the memory of the Hayderan VII
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:14:12 -
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Vollhov wrote:Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers. Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon Since this was already in the History of EVE.
It was the succession after the death of Heideran. Why is the "wheel of samsara" I personally do not understand. Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014. So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates.
Hint: Someone with an employment history of over 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
261
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:22:16 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers. Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon Since this was already in the History of EVE.
It was the succession after the death of Heideran. Why is the "wheel of samsara" I personally do not understand. Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014. So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates. Hint: Someone with an employment history of 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters. No, I respect the old players. And sorry that have not played in 2003 in this wonderful game. And so many missed the
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Arec Bardwin
1869
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Posted - 2015.09.29 01:16:24 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. Yes. It's called entertainment
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
235
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Posted - 2015.09.29 01:25:05 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:EVE online, the game where nothing is ever safe, even "unique" status of items.
My "go-to" example for nothing in EvE being safe is the overview. The devs managed to gank a lot of people's overviews some months back. I never even left the station that particular day. They ganked my overview while I was in station.
Anyway, as for the point of this thread...
Everyone loves the next batch of new ships every time there's a tournament. The ships look cool, people fantasize about owning one, etc etc.
Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people. If I were CCP, I'd find another ship to gold-plate. Between the two options of A: please everyone, or B: **** off half of EvE, I know which one I'd elect to do. I'm not going to jump down their throats, demand or whine, or anything like that, but it seems to me that there's a huge inventory of ships in EvE, and there's way too much untapped potential to start going back to the old well already.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
646
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Posted - 2015.09.29 04:28:18 -
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Because you're bad |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1496
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Posted - 2015.09.29 05:16:54 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. Yes. It's called entertainment
No it's mostly just this. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
178
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Posted - 2015.09.29 08:02:28 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people.
There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff. The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place. Like really. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
262
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:28:30 -
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Tappits wrote:Khan Wrenth wrote:Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people. There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff. The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place. Like really. here here will And because of 50 players, what for was to to touch LOR. No that would come up with something new. What would all were satisfied.
EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
532
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:47:24 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents.
The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable.
On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair.
Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov.
In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
262
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:54:58 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents. The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable. On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair. Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov. In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates.
I, too, believe in the CCP. What they can do is much everything better. But why they do not want. They can . And the possibilities they have.
It is a pity that one can not turn back the clock.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Dragorin
Quantum Link Company
3
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Posted - 2015.10.11 16:02:36 -
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My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
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Whelm
CRA Haven
0
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Posted - 2015.10.12 03:30:20 -
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Dragorin wrote:My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
Back in Feb?
I think the original claim was after every major update or something like that which never really happened. But don't quote me on that. |
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
133
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:28:39 -
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The original was given out as a prize and I think it is interesting that these will be given out as a prize for the same event. If it were for something like Somer I wouldn't agree with it but since it is for the Championship Trials trials I believe it is appropriate.
Also, I think they should give out a Pyrite Magnate to each main that is Amarr.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
133
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:35:23 -
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Dragorin wrote:My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
Seems like it was about 6 months ago. I'll see if I can find something.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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