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Yarlan Zey
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Posted - 2006.12.21 12:46:00 -
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Honestly I was really disappointed from all amarr battleships.rally really. they are just useless. I mean especialy for PVE. With Apoc you can do every mission even the hardest ones but really slowly compared to the other races BSs. and you`r losing all the efficiency
When I bought my first Abaddon I was really surprised ..IT`S A BRUTAL SHIP.
It`s just a money making machine. Ofcource if you want to use it you must have good skills. (I have large spec lvl 4 / surgical strike lvl 4 / rapid firing lvl 4/ BS lvl 5)+ full engineering skills.
That`s my current fitting. I`m using some expensive faction mods (but not full high end faction fitting. So if you don`t have enough money you can replace the modules with cheaper modules.
High - 8x Mega Pulse II **************** Medium - 2x cap recharger II / 1x Serpentis Tracking comp/ 1x Heavy Electrochemicle cap booster (with cap boosts 800) ***************** Low - 1x LAR II / 2x True Sansha Heat sinks / 1x Corpum EAN / 3x True Sansha Hardeners.
(1x implant +3% for energy turets damage1x implant +3 for all turets damage)
1x energy turet damage RIG 2x capacitator RIGs (+15% more cap each)
So with such a fitting I have 9.51 damage modifier for pulse lasers!!!!! and with better implants and skills you can do it over 10 damage mod.. with 4.8 seck RoF and 90% resist for the three of the types and one at 60%
believe me it kills battleships like flies.
if you dont want to waste money for advanced cristals use T1 for close range(they are good enough) and Scorch for long range. our basic T1 cristals are useless at long range.
And.. that`s all.If you have better fitting I`ll be glad to see it.
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MeatFist
Caldari Celestial Ventures Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:34:00 -
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Quote: When I bought my first Abaddon I was really surprised ..IT`S A BRUTAL SHIP.
YouÆre using the term brutal in the wrong context.
Brutal generally means terrible, if you had used the term to describe the Apoc as a mission runner you would have been correct.
Using brutal to describe a ship as being excellent makes you seem like a moron.
Cheers.
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Constantine Arcanum on 21/12/2006 16:38:17
Originally by: MeatFist
Quote: When I bought my first Abaddon I was really surprised ..IT`S A BRUTAL SHIP.
YouÆre using the term brutal in the wrong context.
Brutal generally means terrible, if you had used the term to describe the Apoc as a mission runner you would have been correct.
Using brutal to describe a ship as being excellent makes you seem like a moron.
Cheers.
Brutal in the terms of brutally powerful firepower. And we're talking about the ship, not criticizing posts. GTFO.
Back on topic: and the cap holds? I can see the rigs helping but with the sheer amount of death you are spitting surely it runs dry sometimes? I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
MeatFist
Caldari Celestial Ventures Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:42:00 -
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Still doesnÆt really apply. ---
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Kharakan
Amarr Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: MeatFist Still doesnÆt really apply.
Which bit of GTFO do you not understand?
As for me, I'd prefer cap recharge rigs over cap capacity rigs, but with the extra damage and resists on the abaddon I can see it being better than the 'poc.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:57:00 -
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you are correct. my fitting is a bit more expensive than yours and makes the ship trully unbelievable.
major differences for me is i use dual domination webbs for insta popping fast frigates/cruisers that get within 15kms. outside that my maxed gunnery skills compensate +drones if need be. i also did the math with the rigs and decided 3 cap rigs was the way to go. with the creation of the abaddon, which is meant for seriously advanced amarrians, i think ccp did a good job.
my setup(hey i know its expensive but its something some can shoot for)
Hi: X8 mega pulse II's
Mid: X2 domination webs X2 cap charger II's
Lows: core faction repper corpum eanm X2 hardeners of choice for missions, i use centus rolled tungsten plate cap relay heat sink II
X3 cap recharge rigs
the plate can be exchanged for another hardener if need be.
works superb
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Yarlan Zey
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:08:00 -
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Sorry it`s my mistake. I wanted to say +15% recharge rate. not 15% more cap.
what about the cap ? with 90% resists you don`t need to tank the whole time.A full cargo with cap boosts 800 is enough to finish every mission(most of the time I don`t use all the cap boosts). I`m using ordinary tech II repaer and it`s enough..not centus or something bigger. Also if you can kill everything around you fast, you don`t need to tank too long. That's what I call efficiency!
I used only Apoc for mor than 6 months. with many different fittings..even dual centus repaper tank. I was really surprised when with simple Geddon with 150mill fitting I was able to do all the missions (except WC only) twice faster than Apoc with more than 1 billion fitting. Apoc is the worst mission runner if you really want to make money fast. I want to say clearly that with this setyp abaddon have enough cap to tank. and tripple more damage than Apoc (It`s only my oppinion. and if do not agree.. I don`t mind to hear you)
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Safaomae
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:11:00 -
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just out of interest, how many missions/how long will it take you to make up the money you spent on the ship and the factions bits you have on it?
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Jacob Majestic
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness my setup(hey i know its expensive but its something some can shoot for)
Hi: X8 mega pulse II's
Mid: X2 domination webs X2 cap charger II's
Lows: core faction repper corpum eanm X2 hardeners of choice for missions, i use centus rolled tungsten plate cap relay heat sink II
X3 cap recharge rigs
works superb
Locator agent, AKTIVATE!!
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Jovialmadness my setup(hey i know its expensive but its something some can shoot for)
Hi: X8 mega pulse II's
Mid: X2 domination webs X2 cap charger II's
Lows: core faction repper corpum eanm X2 hardeners of choice for missions, i use centus rolled tungsten plate cap relay heat sink II
X3 cap recharge rigs
works superb
Locator agent, AKTIVATE!!
When did the ISS Navy turn pirate? --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2006.12.21 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 21/12/2006 23:42:00 (quote]Locator agent, AKTIVATE!!
ROFL, hence the reason i post with alts.
On a more serious note, there is nothing wrong with your setup yarlan. In the past i had connectivity issues and lost many a ship due to myside of the fence issues. anyway, i just like to have ships that can basically keep the repper and guns going for abit without the need for bulky cap charges.
To answer the guys question on how many missions it takes to pay for a ship that expensive. if you bust your butt, you could pay for a ship like that in a couple of months doing level 4's. if you waited for good agent offers and added that into the mix i bet you could exclusively pay for it in about a month.
That would be a bit of playing though
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2006.12.21 23:45:00 -
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oh, and the reason i need to tank the whole time is i tend to do missions with peeps that bail out after aggroing the other half of rooms
Therefore i need to tank the whole time
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.22 01:28:00 -
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it really sucks you have to waste your rig slots on cap stuff just to make this ship work. Where other races can add rigs for thing like damage, tracking etc...
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 04:22:00 -
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its not as bad as you think. using the rig slots for cap rigs is better in my opinion that using them for damage or resists. the ship already has damage and resists bonuses. adding these rigs would give negligible bonuses. using heat sinks or hardeners on the other hand tend to be better for the ship. for pvp on the otherhand...every little bit helps and the damage/tracking mods would be worth it, even with the small bonuses. in that case cap injectors would be used anyway. for mission running, my setup is used so i dont have to waste actual ship slots on lots of relays or recharges and can run the ship without using injectors for missions.
just my 35 cents worth...
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.22 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: MeatFist
Quote: When I bought my first Abaddon I was really surprised ..IT`S A BRUTAL SHIP.
YouÆre using the term brutal in the wrong context.
Brutal generally means terrible, if you had used the term to describe the Apoc as a mission runner you would have been correct.
Using brutal to describe a ship as being excellent makes you seem like a moron.
Cheers.
Brutal is often used to describe something that's painful or powerful as well. They didn't use it in the wrong context, you read it as the wrong context.
But yes, the Aba is a brutal ship. While alot of people harp on the Rohk for ruining minmatar sniping, when it comes to the alhpa ability, the aba really cripples it. The rokh has uber range, but the aba can alpha with tachs for a ton of damage, and their DPS is vastly superior to arties. The tourny showed what it could do in small gangs as well. IMO, with a couple nos, some pulse, and a tank, the Aba is something that you wouldn't want to run into.
However, the downside to the ship is that it's pre-nerfed vs armor tanks. A thermal and em hardener boost already decent resists even more, and the nice RAW dps drop like a ton of bricks.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Brazero
Amarr Old Farts Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.22 05:02:00 -
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Lamest post I ever saw on these boards. No wonder Tux thinks he did a decent job, when ppl like you starts crying and jammering about how great it is. The A-Bad-One is just that, bad as in useless worthless piece of garbage.
So just crawl back under your faction stone ans stfu
Quote: <tuxford> Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Kayden Drake
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Brazero Lamest post I ever saw on these boards. No wonder Tux thinks he did a decent job, when ppl like you starts crying and jammering about how great it is. The A-Bad-One is just that, bad as in useless worthless piece of garbage.
So just crawl back under your faction stone ans stfu
LOL. Tbh Im REALLY glad that some people think like you do, because it means the Aba is all that much cheaper for us people who can figure out how to use it . I just use T2 gear and no rigs (yet) and I love the ship. The ship takes SKILL to fly, both in terms of SP and in terms of intelligence. Just because YOU cant fly the ship doesnt mean others cant, and frankly having a ship in game that not EVERYONE can pick up and use is great. Wait till you have more SP and give it another try, and until then, go fly a raven
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2006.12.22 09:09:00 -
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I'm a currently inactive amarr specialist, but I'm hoping to reactivate in january and play around with the abaddon amongst other things... so just to satisfy my curiousity, what's the downside to the cap rigs? I can't seem to find them in the item database.
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Prellius
Amarr Necrons
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:02:00 -
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Yesterday tried it on Angel Extra L-4 with 2 different setups and both works way better than Apoc. Can keep cap up while repairer / lasers / hardeners running full time without cap boosters . I'm using just 1 cap recharge rig atm but I'm planning to fit 2 more very soon. That way I can fit 1 more heat sink and maybe 1 tracking computer.
Setup 1 (cap stabilize around 30-40% with MF crystals)
8x Mega Modulated Pulse /MF/XRay/Standard crystals used.
1x Fleeting webber 3x Cap Recharger II
1x TS Large repairer 1x Extruded Heat Sink 1x Beta CPR 1x Pseudo-blabla DC 3x Faction hardeners
On the last stage, I've tried Tachyon fitting just for testing;
Setup 2 (cap seems to drop down around 25% with MF crystals but it was enough to finish this pocket without turning off modules)
6x Tachyon Modulated Beam 1x Arby Cruise Launcher
1x Fleeting webber 3x Cap Recharger II
1x TS Large Repairer 1x Extruded heat sink 2x Beta CPR 3x Faction hardeners
Both setup works fine, CAP holds fine, I feel it will rock with 2 more rigs. No idea how T2 lasers effect those setups but I think all will be OK.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sheraad I'm a currently inactive amarr specialist, but I'm hoping to reactivate in january and play around with the abaddon amongst other things... so just to satisfy my curiousity, what's the downside to the cap rigs? I can't seem to find them in the item database.
It's an Energy Grid upgrade. It has no drawback other than that it takes up a Rig slot and some calibration points (which could be used to fit other Rigs instead).
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DoctorColossal Pervius
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: slip66 it really sucks you have to waste your rig slots on cap stuff just to make this ship work. Where other races can add rigs for thing like damage, tracking etc...
If you use your brain you will see it is the better thing to do. Damage and tracking rigs are rubbish..... cap recharge and other support type rigs allow you to free up slots so you can fit proper damage/tracking modules in their place. Ye?
Makes sense if you think about it for more than 30 seconds....
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Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:24:00 -
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Well i want to say that the abaddon is one of the best Amarr Ships i have flown so far. It has sick damage and excelent tank, if u add good skills and good set up its a win ship.
Now for Rigs u dont have many options. Use a PG rig if u need the extra grid else for PvP +15% Cap and for PvE +15% Recharge.
For those that say its a same to have to use cap rigs to use this beast, well if Abaddon had enuf Cap it would had been too uber. More cap for the Abaddon is more Dps, using a Cap rig is like Adding a weapon Rig for all the rest ships and u dont have any Drawbacks.
For PvE i need to spend a few modules for Cap recharge (which is hell better than cap Inj) but u have enuf room to fit all the rest. So i am starting to think it might even be better than the Apoc for PvE IF U USE RIGS.. else nop.
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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DoctorColossal Pervius
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brazero Lamest post I ever saw on these boards. No wonder Tux thinks he did a decent job, when ppl like you starts crying and jammering about how great it is. The A-Bad-One is just that, bad as in useless worthless piece of garbage.
So just crawl back under your faction stone ans stfu
Erm. Firstly. Go get one and go fly it and go fit modules and rigs to it....then refit different ones and experiment until you find decent set ups for different situations.
Btw your sig is a **** take on whiners like yourself..... I recommend changing it.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:35:00 -
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Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots.
7 Mega Pulse II
Web, AB, Cap charger II
1 LAR II, 2 EANM II, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive Hardner, 2 HS II
5 t2 hvy drones.
3 cap control rigs.
Makes the Abaddon look silly and piontless. It's great being Amarr, aint it? --------------------------------
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DoctorColossal Pervius
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots.
7 Mega Pulse II
Web, AB, Cap charger II
1 LAR II, 2 EANM II, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive Hardner, 2 HS II
5 t2 hvy drones.
3 cap control rigs.
Makes the Abaddon look silly and piontless.
Well there is an "extensive" comparison of tier 1 and tier 3 battleships. An example i nconcrete thinking if ever I saw one...
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Yarlan Zey
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Posted - 2006.12.22 16:49:00 -
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_________________________________________________________ just out of interest, how many missions/how long will it take you to make up the money you spent on the ship and the factions bits you have on it? _________________________________________________________
Some one said that if you want to have faction fitting you need few months ? really wrong. actually you need about week. Go in low seck system find good agent and you can make from 40 till 80 mills every night for few hours of playing. "the blokade" pure profit about 25mill for about 30 min. "Enemies Abound 1/5 about 15mills for 20min./ E.A. 4/5 about 20mill too. err..something like that.
______________________________________________________________________ Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots. ______________________________________________________________________
Well..what can I say. wrong again :) geddon never can be like abaddon. First if you want to be good at long range with pulses, you have to use Scorch cristals.T1 ones have funny damage at 50km. And you know all advanced cristals have limited number of shots. With 25% more RoF bonus. With two more HS you`ll have really good RoF and you`ll waste your cristals really fast. you`ll lose about 12mill for cristals every night only for ammo. Even if you have one Extra EANM II you can`t have uber resists like abaddon. I prefer 10k armor instead of 7k and honestly I prefer 8 lasers than 7.
I have experience with all the three amarr battleships at lvl4 missions. I prefer geddon for missions than apoc and abaddon than geddon.
Originally by: Brother Tycho Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots.
7 Mega Pulse II
Web, AB, Cap charger II
1 LAR II, 2 EANM II, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive Hardner, 2 HS II
5 t2 hvy drones.
3 cap control rigs.
Makes the Abaddon look silly and piontless.
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Siakel
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Posted - 2006.12.22 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Yarlan Zey Well..what can I say. wrong again :) geddon never can be like abaddon. First if you want to be good at long range with pulses, you have to use Scorch cristals.T1 ones have funny damage at 50km. And you know all advanced cristals have limited number of shots. With 25% more RoF bonus. With two more HS you`ll have really good RoF and you`ll waste your cristals really fast. you`ll lose about 12mill for cristals every night only for ammo. Even if you have one Extra EANM II you can`t have uber resists like abaddon. I prefer 10k armor instead of 7k and honestly I prefer 8 lasers than 7.
Ok, so basically spend 120m extra on the ship, occasionally save a bit of money on crystals? Excellent plan!(Note, 'Geddon has RoF bonus, yes. But Abaddon has an extra turret using up a crystal, too.)
And no, the Armageddon won't have Abaddon resists in a mission running setup where tank is everything.
In a situation where you can blow billions on your ship because it'll never risk the horror of PvP (Thanks CCP...) yes, the Abaddon can work fine.
For just about anything else, you're better off with an Armageddon.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Yarlan Zey _________________________________________________________ just out of interest, how many missions/how long will it take you to make up the money you spent on the ship and the factions bits you have on it? _________________________________________________________
Some one said that if you want to have faction fitting you need few months ? really wrong. actually you need about week. Go in low seck system find good agent and you can make from 40 till 80 mills every night for few hours of playing. "the blokade" pure profit about 25mill for about 30 min. "Enemies Abound 1/5 about 15mills for 20min./ E.A. 4/5 about 20mill too. err..something like that.
______________________________________________________________________ Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots. ______________________________________________________________________
Well..what can I say. wrong again :) geddon never can be like abaddon. First if you want to be good at long range with pulses, you have to use Scorch cristals.T1 ones have funny damage at 50km. And you know all advanced cristals have limited number of shots. With 25% more RoF bonus. With two more HS you`ll have really good RoF and you`ll waste your cristals really fast. you`ll lose about 12mill for cristals every night only for ammo. Even if you have one Extra EANM II you can`t have uber resists like abaddon. I prefer 10k armor instead of 7k and honestly I prefer 8 lasers than 7.
I have experience with all the three amarr battleships at lvl4 missions. I prefer geddon for missions than apoc and abaddon than geddon.
Originally by: Brother Tycho Geddon is better Just use the extra low slot for a EANM II and you have yourself a 70mill Abaddon with a better drone bay and 3 rig slots.
7 Mega Pulse II
Web, AB, Cap charger II
1 LAR II, 2 EANM II, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive Hardner, 2 HS II
5 t2 hvy drones.
3 cap control rigs.
Makes the Abaddon look silly and piontless.
Your useing t2 cristals on missions? rofl.. sure the abaddons fine with like 3 t2 cap cap chargers and 2 beta cap relays you can tank and fire for a while but lack of a cap use bonus makes it a awfull mega pulse pve ship i know ive tried.
And it may not have the resists of the abaddon but the geddons a hell of alot more cap freindly.
the abaddon can do 1 thing better than other amarr BS thats alpha strike with tachs but a well setup geddon fires more often so more wreaking hits and you wont run outa cap mid battle ****ing you fleet commander off when you cant make it all the way in warp or run outa cap boosters slowing everything up. It's great being Amarr, aint it? --------------------------------
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: MeatFist
Quote: When I bought my first Abaddon I was really surprised ..IT`S A BRUTAL SHIP.
YouÆre using the term brutal in the wrong context.
Brutal generally means terrible, if you had used the term to describe the Apoc as a mission runner you would have been correct.
Using brutal to describe a ship as being excellent makes you seem like a moron.
Cheers.
it always means unforgiving.
For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest it always means unforgiving.
Or Vicious/Ferocious.
I always find it amusing when some forum besserwisser call others morons, because more than half of the time the only morons in the thread are they themselves.
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