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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.05 13:26:42 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
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Selto Black
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2015.10.05 14:39:12 -
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Is there an E.T.A. for this focus group as of yet? |
Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Unseen Wolves
560
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Posted - 2015.10.05 14:49:18 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers.
It seems that destroyers have nade a huge turn, from "..and there are also destroyers, but who cares" to "start training for svipul asap"
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What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
48
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Posted - 2015.10.05 15:36:32 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
- When selecting focus group members, we will be looking for people who can demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively and provide reasoned and calm feedback. We also want the members to have significant experience flying the Tactical Destroyers and to have strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance
Wait what? For whom are you designing these T3s than? PVP morons like me, or trollish people like me are no longer allowed in or what? I feel underrepresented!
Here is my thoughts than: - a mode assistance, automatic management of mode switching - a jester mode, no guns, no tank, high speed, bubble immunity and automated smack talk - a meta game mode, fight denying for enemies with negative standing
Also I want the date on the promised - honeymoon mode - rainbow pony mode - reverse gear mode
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.10.05 15:59:59 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes.
No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
808
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Posted - 2015.10.05 16:19:15 -
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You wanna fix T3Ds? Just change it so they cannot fit 10mn ABs (Can fit 10MN AB = False), and make the time between switching to different modes longer. I say from 30 seconds to a minute at least. |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1610
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Posted - 2015.10.05 16:21:21 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1129
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Posted - 2015.10.05 16:30:19 -
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more like it would make sense for T3Cs and T3Ds to become balanced instead |
Alexis Nightwish
333
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Posted - 2015.10.05 18:17:40 -
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I think it's outstanding that CCP is willing to put together a focus group of players to leverage our experience with the game to help fix the T3Ds.
No, seriously, that's ******* cool.
I don't know how many people you plan to have in the group, but if you need someone who
- Has their Masters in EFT.
- Has total command of the English language.
- Has Slack experience.
- Loves theory crafting.
- Loves fixing things.
- Loves systems and numbers.
- Can, and often does, think outside the box/meta/status quo.
- Fights for balance above all other factors.
- Won't argue for/against a change because of a group's agenda. Balance is my agenda.
- Can argue a case without making it personal.
- Doesn't have an ego to get hurt just because someone disagrees with me.
- Can accept someone else's point of view if they can prove it.
- Truly wants the game to be fun for everyone.
- Wants every ship to have a role.
then please consider me for the focus group.
CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.10.05 20:53:51 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class.
So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2304
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Posted - 2015.10.05 21:04:43 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..
I'm pretty sure they fare better against T1 cruiser than T1 destroyer fare against their T2 variant even if they are in the same PLEX class... |
MrQuisno
Steelmaze Blacksmithing
6
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Posted - 2015.10.05 22:00:39 -
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Hello,
Threw my name in the hat as well. I'm always looking to see what I can do with new ships. Taking the ships to the max fit and use it in different types of fights. The new ships are base on large or small gang warfare. Since they will be a smaller ship i'm sure they will be glass tank with high damage out put at which range... Many questions to be answered and tested out ideas here. I like to have fun and not cause drama.. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40452
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Posted - 2015.10.06 01:04:07 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc.. Im fairly confident it is going to happen - T3D being restricted from small plexes:
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
398
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:34:35 -
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That is poor game balancing. It's like they admit they will be OP and they don't do anything about it. Simple solution ban the hull...
CCP Fozzie wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers. You don't know what our beloved community will do with them. Remember polarized modules? They suppose to be some new opportunities, yet they are niche modules. Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class?
"(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
451
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Posted - 2015.10.06 11:24:11 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Limit small plexes to t1 dessies and below and a lot of the current issues in regards to af's would be fixed as well.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Motorbit
HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords
45
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Posted - 2015.10.06 15:16:23 -
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that demand to ban t3d from small plexes comes to my expirience mostly from players that are not even enlisted and use fw complexes to get solo fights.
while i think that its great that anyone can find good fights in fw, i dont think that the ability to whore on fw content should be the top priority on balancing the fw content.
especially on system battle lvl, what matters for us fw guys is isk efficiency, and as it is now, its already very hard to come out isk efficient with t3d fleet in small complexes when fighting cheap fitted t1 dessies. in this meta, t3d already are rather unpopular.
this basically means, if you ban t3d from small, you ban them from fw, because they realy have no buisiness in fighting over medium complexes on fw fleet lvl. i would realy hate to see this happen.
another argument is, that there will always be the one strongest thingy in any set of rules. after you ban t3d, will you ban hacs from meds? pirate frigs from novice? where will you stop? should the ban the strongest ship go on till everything is banned everywhere exept non faction t1 frigates? that doesnt make much sense in my oppionion.
i think t3d are fine in small complexes. the problems with t3d are not that they can enter small complexes, and it wont be fixed by banning them from small complexes. i would rather see Assault frigates, projectile weapons and all minmatar ships getting a look at then punishing t3d for problems that are caused by other ships and modules.
that said, i think insurance is a bit broken for t3d. some of them have way to high insurance payout and its much to cheap to lose them, others have almost no insurance at all.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1547
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Posted - 2015.10.06 15:20:30 -
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I would like to get some statistics from CCP how T3Ds are used before the discussion starts... personally I would like to "ban" oversized prop mods from Svipuls and Confessors and make links much less effective to them in general. Also it should be so that short range weapons are favorable than long range - to fight the kiting meta and cater for the unique capabilities of mode switching and probing.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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SidtheKid100
R3d Fire
32
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:15:40 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:SidtheKid100 wrote:Hello,
I would love to join a focus group around T3Ds. PvP is my primary activity in EVE and one thing I've noticed after returning to the game less than 3 months ago is how quickly T3Ds have proliferated across the cluster. I believe I have had extensive exposure to all 4 (flying 3 myself).
Thanks for putting forward a new initiative for player feedback. Really? Sid, mate, leave this to the adults.
Sorry, you old fogey's are too busy flying blap peonises to know what us yung un's are up to.
I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main.
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Arla Sarain
666
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Posted - 2015.10.06 21:13:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class?
A cruiser with frig signature and tracking. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
362
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Posted - 2015.10.06 21:59:11 -
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Imo if t3ds where light assault cruisers, would costs between hacs and faction cruisers, have ****** insurance, had cruiser rights (no smalls) they could even be rebuffed to their orignal state and they still would be fine, they are just so incredebly good as a solo or small scale ship isk/performance wise. |
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
451
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Posted - 2015.10.06 23:53:13 -
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Motorbit wrote: i think t3d are fine in small complexes. the problems with t3d are not that they can enter small complexes, and it wont be fixed by banning them from small complexes. i would rather see Assault frigates, projectile weapons and all minmatar ships getting a look at then punishing t3d for problems that are caused by other ships and modules.
that said, i think insurance is a bit broken for t3d. some of them have way to high insurance payout and its much to cheap to lose them, others have almost no insurance at all.
One of the problems with that is that if you buff the af's to compensate for the t3ds you end up with a bigger gap between t1 and t2 frigs, which also leads to problems. So i would think that from a balancing perspective that would end up causing more work then its worth it in the end. Personally i love the t3ds, but i also know that one of the main reason i love to fly them is cause they are extremly powerfull compared to the other ships you can fly inside a small plex.
Atm the t3ds have close to cruiser dps and tanks while having less sig radius, much better tracking, and the ability to swap modes in a instant.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Arla Sarain
667
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Posted - 2015.10.07 07:44:11 -
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Currently a strong counter to T3Ds are medium and heavy neuts, and should a Sentinel sneak in, bonused small neuts.
Counterintuitively, CCP is planning to add falloff to neuts, with the upcoming BiaB changes I assume. Neuts are strong enough to guess that they won't be buffed, and nerfed instead.
Think this should be considered should anyone kneejerkingly point out that "T3Ds are fine cos neuts and cruisers". |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1275
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Posted - 2015.10.07 11:01:49 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Currently a strong counter to T3Ds are medium and heavy neuts, and should a Sentinel sneak in, bonused small neuts.
Counterintuitively, CCP is planning to add falloff to neuts, with the upcoming BiaB changes I assume. Neuts are strong enough to guess that they won't be buffed, and nerfed instead.
Think this should be considered should anyone kneejerkingly point out that "T3Ds are fine cos neuts and cruisers".
Depending on the design, it could also be a minor change (as for example, small neuts with 4k optimal and 4k falloff would actually be a buff). The same for RR could happen, with T1 logistics ending up with 30+45 and T2 with 60+30, creating a difference again. |
Motorbit
HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords
48
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Posted - 2015.10.07 13:57:28 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote: One of the problems with that is that if you buff the af's to compensate for the t3ds you end up with a bigger gap between t1 and t2 frigs, which also leads to problems.
first of all, dont think that its bad that there is a large gap between af and t1 frigs. on fleet lvl, they fulfill different roles, and solo, the af is just a much more expensive risk to fly.
its a matter of fact that af had issues before t3d where introduced, and t3d just made these problems more prominent. just look at the ship usage statistics presented at the last fanfest (with do not yet contain t3d).
anyway, i think most would agree that the main problem with af is that they are just to slow in the current meta to be of much use, despite the fact that af make formidable brawlers. my suggestion to adress the af problem therfore was to replace the mwd signature bonus by an mwd speed bonus, something between 15% and 25%. this would allow af to get into the fight much faster, but not increase their brawling ability at all.
changed like that, it was much more easy to come up with a counter to the fast kiting t3d that are so hard to fight solo in small complexes within the current rule set. |
Kuon Orochi
Never Surrender. Drama Sutra
0
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Posted - 2015.10.07 15:22:11 -
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I'd like to participate. I use t3ds extensively and even if I like them very much, I think they need a rebalance. I've been able to solo kill most cruisers (only neut cruisers that actually cycle their neut wins) with my svipul and it feels a bit like a win button to me. It can also outmatch missile HAC and BC/BS because of the small signature.
I also feel like being able to enter small factional sites killed the assault frigates. But in that case it's the AS that need a rebalance (they are SLOW).
Anyway, as I said, happy to participate. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1206
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Posted - 2015.10.07 15:26:56 -
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i think a great start too nerfing them would be too remove the role bonus of 50% damage, im not a fan of getting free bonuses on ships from role bonuses, like the gurista ships getting massive bonus for nothing, although i still don't get why on top of that they only need 2 drones too do what 5 normally do, the dps guristas get from having effectively 2 sets of weapon systems well bonused is OP, all droneships need too have a lot less highslots so that turret/missile ships don't have the massive disadvantage of having too use their highs for dps where as droneships normally don't.
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
13351
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Posted - 2015.10.07 17:00:10 -
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Thanks for applying everyone! Unfortunately we can't accept everyone, but it was a tough set of decisions narrowing the list down. We've selected 16 members to start the focus group. It's possible that more may be added over time (depending on activity levels of the initial 16). I've created a new thread for this next phase of this focus group. You can find the list of group members there, as well as any important information and the chat logs.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
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Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
46
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Posted - 2015.10.07 17:38:25 -
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Oh for FFS, leave the T3Ds alone. They are fine. People just like to cry and don't want to adapt. I have been murdered by T3Ds plenty and have lost a bunch trying to fly them (yup, I'm bad), and still I say leave them alone. |
Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
46
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Posted - 2015.10.07 17:43:07 -
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Uh, to all the crybabies worrying about running FW complexes:
Run your sites in a T3D if you are worried about T3Ds coming into your plex. So damn simple, but I know, you are blinded by tears and can't see the logical answer. |
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
25
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Posted - 2015.10.08 02:31:17 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:Uh, to all the crybabies worrying about running FW complexes: Run your sites in a T3D if you are worried about T3Ds coming into your plex. So damn simple, but I know, you are blinded by tears and can't see the logical answer. The entire warzone is t3ds friend. If you think you see a different ship in space it's probably just two or three t3ds close together. |
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