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Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:20:42 -
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Hi All,
I used to be a pirate back in the day with a previous toon (Which I sold...I know I know!!)
I was what I call a 'proper' pirate not just an outlaw pvp'er, I shot people to get either ransoms or cargo ejected. If that wasn't happening then I'd for the kill and pray to the loot fairy. But then killboards started to get in the way and everyone was just worried about the numbers.
So my question is....Is the traditional pirate life now dead in eve? I'm not interested in having a green KB and bragging rights about killing some noob in a bling fit ship in my T1 frig, I want to ransom people, steal their cargo to sell and so forth.
Is this still a thing? I hope so. |
Hannibal Carlisle
Event Horizon Financial Liberation Group
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:27:26 -
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It is still a thing, but I think mostly in the form of high sec ganking. The isk is there for the taking though! |
Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:34:10 -
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Hannibal Carlisle wrote:It is still a thing, but I think mostly in the form of high sec ganking. The isk is there for the taking though!
Glad to hear it's still out there.
Personally high sec ganking isn't what I'm going for. Hijacking a mission runner and ransoming the loot or ship is more like it.
For what I'm hoping for sec status isn't much of an issue it about working to get the other player to pay me to leave them alone. In isk or loot. Only when it fails am I going to be looking to kill. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:38:38 -
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The true piracy nowadays is mission flipping and suspect baiting in highsec. That's where the juicy targets and ransoms are. It is still a thing but for some reason there are no large organized groups doing it systematically, in spite of the fact that a crew supporting each other with logi, boosts, etc can pretty much rake in isk hand over fist in a mission hub without ever having to resort to the indignity of carebearism. Join the channel "ninja dojo" in game to talk with some veterans of this playstyle.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:10:36 -
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So by your definition I'm not a pirate, YAY!!!! IM A SERIAL KILLER!!! |
Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:21:38 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:So by your definition I'm not a pirate, YAY!!!! IM A SERIAL KILLER!!!
Yeah I define a pirate as more than just a -5 or less sec status that looks for fights.
Nothing wrong with being a serial killer in eve though, I was one for a long time myself. |
Selusa Secundus
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:57:46 -
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Piracy is still kicking, ive ransomed 2.5 bil from an ice mining fleet and hijacked a freighter laden with ore amonsgt other things. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2015.10.02 03:32:39 -
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Madrax573 wrote: So my question is....Is the traditional pirate life now dead in eve? I'm not interested in having a green KB and bragging rights about killing some noob in a bling fit ship in my T1 frig, I want to ransom people, steal their cargo to sell and so forth.
Is this still a thing? I hope so.
*sniffs*
My hamster pirate brother.
I thought I was all alone....
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:24:26 -
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Pirate make people cry. That is the point now |
Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:17:36 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Pirate make people cry. That is the point now
No, its not.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:42:19 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Pirate make people cry. That is the point now No, its not. Dude keep you honor in your thunderdome. C&P is for griefer.
God this forum has gone downhill over passed 5 years.
We are the bad griefer badguys here. Not freaking space samaruri |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:08:09 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Pirate make people cry. That is the point now No, its not. Dude keep you honor in your thunderdome. C&P is for griefer. God this forum has gone downhill over passed 5 years. We are the bad griefer badguys here. Not freaking space samaruri
Get out.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.10.02 15:11:14 -
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Yarr!
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
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Posted - 2015.10.02 15:24:22 -
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Meow.. I mean Yarrr!
Our corp honors ransoms. Rarely get anything worth ransoming though in place where we live. Sometimes we just ask for joke or to be bait for us if mining. Biggest Ransom I have ever done was jump freighter in stationless system. Caught it in stealth bomber. |
Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.10.03 01:12:40 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Pirate make people cry. That is the point now No, its not. Dude keep you honor in your thunderdome. C&P is for griefer. God this forum has gone downhill over passed 5 years. We are the bad griefer badguys here. Not freaking space samaruri
Its not space samurai. There is nothing wrong with grief play but the dude is asking how to make a profit from piracy, not tear farm.
I enjoy sending customer-service themed eve mails to my gank targets to fish for tears. They can be very funny, but they net me no ISK. And seeing as how literally nobody here wants you around or gives any type of credit to your shitpoasts, dont come in here and tell ME what C&P is "for".
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.04 06:37:47 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Pirate make people cry. That is the point now No, its not. Dude keep you honor in your thunderdome. C&P is for griefer. God this forum has gone downhill over passed 5 years. We are the bad griefer badguys here. Not freaking space samaruri Its not space samurai. There is nothing wrong with grief play but the dude is asking how to make a profit from piracy, not tear farm. I enjoy sending customer-service themed eve mails to my gank targets to fish for tears. They can be very funny, but they net me no ISK. And seeing as how literally nobody here wants you around or gives any type of credit to your shitpoasts, dont come in here and tell ME what C&P is "for".
Very much so.
Profit from piracy is what I'm after not just killing **** and looting. It's more around the ACT of robbing someone like an old age pirate or highwayman that I'm interested in. Not so interested in the tears anymore as I had my cup filleth over from that in my previous life in eve. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.04 08:03:31 -
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Ransoming mission runners who have aggressed your suspect self is a decent source of revenue. Find the popular mission hubs and get to work thereabouts. If you low-ball your ransom demands you'll get more positive results.
If you engage someone who's taking it rather well psychologically you can suggest they get their pod out before their ship goes boom... sometimes they will actually eject and warp off when the ship is still alive, providing you with an opportunity to hijack the now vacant vessel.
KM's are nice and all, so are ransoms, but nothing at all is better than actually driving off with someone else's ship. It's pure gravy with a blowjob from a midget thrown in just for sparkles and glitter.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.05 00:32:20 -
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Ransoms generally aren't paid these days. They aren't paid unless the client expects you to honor them, but they usually aren't worth enough to involve a third party (with two exceptions - supercapital ransoms which almost never happen, but if they do they involve a third party; and POS ransoms).
You do get the odd person that pays because they've never had a ransom dishonored before, but it is rare. The stories of people ejecting for a ransom are hilarious (especially as they are almost invariably podded on the spot)
Freighter and T1 hauler ganking basically is the best option available now for taking ISK from people by force, with mission invasion being the backup, but with mission invasion it's usually not about ransom but about the modules you loot from their wreck.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Madrax573
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.05 03:15:24 -
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Hmmm.....
It seems as if eve has moved on from what I used to do with ransoms etc. Such a pity that it's just come to a gank and loot mentality now.....
Guess I'll have to do more experimentation before I call it a day though. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.05 05:33:52 -
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Madrax573 wrote:Hmmm.....
It seems as if eve has moved on from what I used to do with ransoms etc. Such a pity that it's just come to a gank and loot mentality now.....
Guess I'll have to do more experimentation before I call it a day though.
It's a prisoner's dilemma situation.
If you ransom someone, it's advantageous to you to be paid and it's also advantageous to you to dishonor the ransom.
EVE players have generally worked out how to optimize this prisoner's dilemma for themselves - don't pay a ransom, and don't honor one.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
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Posted - 2015.10.05 07:41:42 -
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If you have reputation of honoring ransoms, it also helps. I have caught same guy few times a month on his PI alt mostly cause I already know where he is going. After 3rd time though I stopped ransoming and just normally scram him to say hi. It's our POCOs he is using, so its kinda income that way too..
Wasn't it Tuskers that always honor ransoms? |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.10.05 08:06:39 -
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Piracy is not dead. From the other side, no way in hell you'll meet 2 guys in row that believe in such thing as honored ransoms. You may thank "outlaw PvP'ers" for that. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.10.05 11:57:30 -
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I never honor ransoms and have never had any issue getting mission runners to pay them when I was out ninja-ing. Bears invest all their net worth in bling fitting their battleships and when you've got them tackled they fall all over themselves trying to fork over their remaining isk as fast as they can. It's glorious, but even better when you take the money and then steal their ship too, or blow it up.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.10.05 12:27:25 -
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Madrax573 wrote:Hi All,
I used to be a pirate back in the day with a previous toon (Which I sold...I know I know!!)
I was what I call a 'proper' pirate not just an outlaw pvp'er, I shot people to get either ransoms or cargo ejected. If that wasn't happening then I'd for the kill and pray to the loot fairy. But then killboards started to get in the way and everyone was just worried about the numbers.
So my question is....Is the traditional pirate life now dead in eve? I'm not interested in having a green KB and bragging rights about killing some noob in a bling fit ship in my T1 frig, I want to ransom people, steal their cargo to sell and so forth.
Is this still a thing? I hope so.
In a word no its not dead. That said its a different verse out there now but any true pirate adapts to it. We still ransom a lot and very rarely get turned down due to our reputation. Ensuring you fully strip every ship you destroy of all value as well as scavenging anything you find will cover most losses and make you a small profit.
One of the most profitable ways to earn ISK as a pirate at the moment is to hunt players doing DED sites. Ensure you have the capability to finish the site yourself if they run or kill/ransom them if they do not. On top of this you could extort a fee out of them to leave them alone. I guy I know has got so good at killing stealth bombers in FW sites hes started a relatively successful business to leave them alone for a fee. |
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