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BFE
Thee Almitee Ones Paragons Of Virtue
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:25:50 -
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So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station. Why then couldn't items being stored in a citadel that is destroyed do the same?
I suggest CCP consider one of the two following solutions.
A) A Citadel should be able to deploy cloning facilities (just like a Rorqual should be able to too) so that if you are podded in a wormhole, you can set that as your home station. If Citadels deployed within W-space cannot send items back to HS when it's destroyed, how can it send a complex consciousness of a podded pilot through? It SHOULDN'T! There should be a cloning station in the Citadel.
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B) Allow at least allow Citadels in WH's the same privileges to send items to a safe station like the Citadels in known space can do, like ti currently does with PODs. |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
200
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:33:08 -
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BFE wrote:So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.
Not quite. You get killed and your consciousness gets sent to a new clone waiting for you in some station. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2018
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:33:14 -
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BFE wrote:So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.
No it doesn't. When you are podded your conciseness is activated in a new clone.
Dear eve players, please try and use the word "content" less and instead, be specific. Thanks
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BFE
Thee Almitee Ones Paragons Of Virtue
20
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:44:53 -
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Bloemkoolsaus wrote:BFE wrote:So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station. Not quite. You get killed and your consciousness gets sent to a new clone waiting for you in some station. Your actual pod/body/corpse stay right there were you died. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone
You consciousness gets sent to a new clone with all existing knowledge gained. So, that info has to be sent through to the cloning station and uploaded into your new clone. Therefore, it must make it out of the WH.
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:BFE wrote:So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station. Not quite. You get killed and your consciousness gets sent to a new clone waiting for you in some station. Your actual pod/body/corpse stay right there were you died. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone
I know that. I meant consciousness, not your body. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
327
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Posted - 2015.10.02 12:52:31 -
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A - no, not spawning or clone jumping into a WH is one of the main differences between null and w-space, the other three being no sov, no moon goo and less goons
B - this is debatable, but it does remove some risk from w-space. On one hand it would mean people could have more stuff in a hole to tackle enemies with, on the other hand it encourages having your hole closed off constantly and just farming, and when someone sets your house on fire you just wait in hisec for your stuff to appear and laugh at the invaders for wasting their time |
RcTamiya
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:01:36 -
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Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)
moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....
how can you even compare that ? oO |
BFE
Thee Almitee Ones Paragons Of Virtue
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:07:04 -
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RcTamiya wrote:Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)
moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....
how can you even compare that ? oO
Because regardless of whether you transport matter (items) or knowledge (how is this even measureable?), both have to transverse the WH exit to get back to your home station. |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2018
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:36:40 -
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BFE wrote:So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your consciousness transverses through the exit back to your home station. Why then couldn't items being stored in a citadel that is destroyed do the same?
I suggest CCP consider one of the two following solutions.
A) A Citadel should be able to deploy cloning facilities (just like a Rorqual should be able to too) so that if you are podded in a wormhole, you can set that as your home station. If Citadels deployed within W-space cannot send items back to HS when it's destroyed, how can it send a complex consciousness of a podded pilot through? It SHOULDN'T! There should be a cloning station in the Citadel.
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B) At least allow Citadels in WH's the same privileges to send items to a safe station like the Citadels in known space can do, like ti currently does with PODs.
Edit: Obviously, your pod cannot transverse the wormhole, it was destroyed. I meant to say consciousness. OP was fixed.
Yeah technically you should loose sp when podded in wormholes put that would be terrible, so ccp didn't go with that. You could argue that you conciseness (data) travels wormholes to reach a gate so that your clone in HS is updated
I don't think clone jumping or death cloning should ever be in wormholes space but i do want the ability to swap clones within the system.
I don't like the idea of items being automatically moved out of a wormhole but if CCP added the ability to transport assets from a citadel to a strong hole (i.e. a safe with limited space) that could be destroyed and drop loot, I would be okay with that.
Dear eve players, please try and use the word "content" less and instead, be specific. Thanks
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1451
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:43:35 -
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in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
281
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:44:45 -
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I don't think that the developers intend to limit this game to what is scientifically feasible.
Furthermore, I can't be arsed to find a link for this, but I thought the pods had sets of "fluid routers" where one was in your capsule and the other was in your medical station, and they were "quantum entangled" so whatever was ever saved in your consciousness was immediately and inherently transferred to the other fluid router in your med station. As such, when one explodes, they just rebuild your consciousness from the intact one in k-space.
Again though, I really don't care about lore, I just remember that explanation.
Having people wake up in a WH would favor small groups trying to fight against larger ones, but it would also make the larger ones nearly impossible to remove from a system. On the whole, podding people out of w-space is an important tactical mechanic and breaking it would have extreme ramifications for WH sieging.
I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. I think CCP has been clear about no clone jumping/medcloning into a WH.
Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
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RcTamiya
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
19
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:49:25 -
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BFE wrote:RcTamiya wrote:Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)
moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....
how can you even compare that ? oO Because regardless of whether you transport matter (items) or knowledge (how is this even measureable?), both have to transverse the WH exit to get back to your home station. And one would think that a very technologically advanced station/Citadel would be able to accomplish this as it dies better than a pod could as it gets destroyed.....
No. it's simple, all your knowledge is measureable (not what you know, but the information is coded in your brain), this code is what is getting submitted to another body, it's like a transmission with a frequency and as far as i know you can't transport matter with that, compare your brain with a harddrive/cloud and you'll get it ;) Also how does the transmissionprogress work?! The basics are easy, grab information, submit them to new body, write them in his brain and revive that body, everything else is sci-fi and not explained anywhere Logical, if it's in subspace it doesn't pass through gates or wormholes, it passes through space itself.
Beaming (that's what you want to do) is to destroy an object, have it's informations stored somewhere and transmit it's data to another spot to rebuild -> Quantumphysics Eve does not have ANY beamingtechnology, so it aint possible :) in reality humanity was able to beam a few particles from hawaii to somewhere in the USA, using an intresting amount of energy, at it's current state it's not possible to even consider an organism or larger objects. |
Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.02 14:14:59 -
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Consciousness is non-local, it doesn't take up space and, thanks to the sci-fi technology in EVE (capsules, fluid routers, etc.), can travel instantaneously across space to a back-up body at death bypassing the need to go through a wormhole.
Items do take up space and there is no teleportation technology in the EVE universe, items need to be transported physically. |
Viggo Konstanin
Midnight Rejects
52
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Posted - 2015.10.02 15:02:45 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure
RP wit me pls
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Borsek
Incertae Sedis
329
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Posted - 2015.10.02 16:16:09 -
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Viggo Konstanin wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure RP wit me pls
So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'.
Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap. |
Kalel Nimrott
The Dingus Coalition
1220
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Posted - 2015.10.02 16:30:00 -
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Borsek wrote:A - no, not spawning or clone jumping into a WH is one of the main differences between null and w-space, the other three being no sov, no moon goo and less goons
B - this is debatable, but it does remove some risk from w-space. On one hand it would mean people could have more stuff in a hole to tackle enemies with, on the other hand it encourages having your hole closed off constantly and just farming, and when someone sets your house on fire you just wait in hisec for your stuff to appear and laugh at the invaders for wasting their time
Ha+íaaaaaaahahA, less goons!
You ARE FUNNY!
Bob Artis, you will be missed.
O7
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1451
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Posted - 2015.10.02 18:22:01 -
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Borsek wrote:Viggo Konstanin wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure RP wit me pls So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'. Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap. wow this is tame
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Alundil
Isogen 5
1031
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Posted - 2015.10.02 18:50:48 -
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Borsek wrote:Viggo Konstanin wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure RP wit me pls So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'. Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap. http://imgur.com/HcZYm4k
I'm right behind you
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1451
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Posted - 2015.10.02 19:49:03 -
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this is an RP thread now
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Viggo Konstanin
Midnight Rejects
52
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Posted - 2015.10.03 16:42:15 -
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/puts on his robes and wizards hat
Someone get me some Dusette in here. |
Cannibal Zuza
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.10.04 02:15:27 -
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Alundil wrote:Borsek wrote:Viggo Konstanin wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:in on the first page
this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure RP wit me pls So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'. Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap. http://imgur.com/HcZYm4k
The ugliness in eve never cease to amaze me.
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BFE
Thee Almitee Ones Paragons Of Virtue
20
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Posted - 2015.10.04 13:31:18 -
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It seems like the majority of people don't want these changes in wormholes. Ok. I get that. Still don't agree, but I get it. I still don't like the citadel being deployed like a ship, with high/mid/low slots...... Seems the stations have all sorts of different offices in them.
LP, Repair, Fitting, Science jobs, Bounty, FW, dozens of them. So why limit the number a Citadel can have to only a few slots? They describe an XL Citadel being on par to a station in HS. 100km in size, if I remember right.... so how can a building that large only have 8 slots/etc?
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
37634
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Posted - 2015.10.04 13:33:37 -
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Viggo Konstanin wrote:/puts on his robes and wizards hat
Someone get me some Dusette in here. But we only do Sci-Fi not fantasy.
Though I'm afraid the family is currently indisposed due to RL crisis and will likely not be flyin', shitpostin' or RP'n for a very long time. However you're always free to leave a message and a family representative will endeavor to respond if/when possible.
n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî
Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
4703
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Posted - 2015.10.04 22:30:15 -
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Well, this thread went places...
There is no Bob.
Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
2791
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Posted - 2015.10.05 06:26:16 -
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Right, dear OP, the way it works is like this.
Clones in wormholes.
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA
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Viggo Konstanin
Midnight Rejects
52
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Posted - 2015.10.05 13:52:36 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Viggo Konstanin wrote:/puts on his robes and wizards hat
Someone get me some Dusette in here. But we only do Sci-Fi not fantasy. Though I'm afraid the family is currently indisposed due to RL crisis and will likely not be flyin', shitpostin' or RP'n for a very long time. However you're always free to leave a message and a family representative will endeavor to respond if/when possible.
Crushing news.
My attempts to merge spaceships fanfic with dinoporn featuring the Dusettes seems to have been brought up short.
It would have played well with the feminist crowd I feel. Erica Dusette would have been the powerful, strong-willed protagonist, who don't need no man - but holy crap! Look at the size of the dong on that pterodactyl!
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1454
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Posted - 2015.10.05 13:58:36 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Viggo Konstanin wrote:/puts on his robes and wizards hat
Someone get me some Dusette in here. But we only do Sci-Fi not fantasy. Though I'm afraid the family is currently indisposed due to RL crisis and will likely not be flyin', shitpostin' or RP'n for a very long time. However you're always free to leave a message and a family representative will endeavor to respond if/when possible. whoah no ping me on slack
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
166
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Posted - 2015.10.09 15:48:01 -
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BFE wrote:RcTamiya wrote:Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)
moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....
how can you even compare that ? oO Because regardless of whether you transport matter (items) or knowledge (how is this even measureable?), both have to transverse the WH exit to get back to your home station. And one would think that a very technologically advanced station/Citadel would be able to accomplish this as it dies better than a pod could as it gets destroyed.....
I could agree to the consciousness of your stuff being transported to a tradehub in highsec where you can release it for the equivalent of the current price of that item. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
37645
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Posted - 2015.10.10 08:27:13 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:whoah no ping me on slack Gimme a couple more weeks. Gotta pay lawyers' bills and find somewhere to live yet.
Viggo Konstanin wrote:Crushing news.
My attempts to merge spaceships fanfic with dinoporn featuring the Dusettes seems to have been brought up short.
It would have played well with the feminist crowd I feel. Erica Dusette would have been the powerful, strong-willed protagonist, who don't need no man - but holy crap! Look at the size of the dong on that pterodactyl!
Boss n' the girls will be back in action soonGäó, so keep a firm grip on your pen.
Fanfics and dinoporn? You wouldn't be the first in fact, with fanfics (and fanart) at least.
Always happy to collaborate. I happen to know all the Dusettes inside and out.
n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî
Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
52873
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Posted - 2015.10.10 10:58:39 -
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Pterodactyl?
Oh dear. Always knew I'd crash-land on the wrong planet one day.
Suppose it could be worse.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1462
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Posted - 2015.10.12 12:48:05 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:whoah no ping me on slack Gimme a couple more weeks. Gotta pay lawyers' bills and find somewhere to live yet. Viggo Konstanin wrote:Crushing news.
My attempts to merge spaceships fanfic with dinoporn featuring the Dusettes seems to have been brought up short.
It would have played well with the feminist crowd I feel. Erica Dusette would have been the powerful, strong-willed protagonist, who don't need no man - but holy crap! Look at the size of the dong on that pterodactyl!
Boss n' the girls will be back in action soonGäó, so keep a firm grip on your pen. Fanfics and dinoporn? You wouldn't be the first in fact, with fanfics (and fanart) at least. Always happy to collaborate. I happen to know all the Dusettes inside and out. It's quite a bit larger than a pen
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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