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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:33:00 -
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I just had a look at the alliance discussions thread (I'll be posting my own thread there in a moment wheich will be flamed but I dont gove a crap, its not like I'll be reading there again) And I have a couple of thoughts..
There have been multiple threads about such and such happening on christmass day. Killing poses and another about how "gatecamping is not how I want to spend christmass day" I mean, hello? What is this? This is a sodding computer game. if your forced to sit down and play this on that day their is something seriously wrong here. If the red alliance killed poses on christmass day that would be accused of breaking game mechanics or low play or something. The local big male member alliance does it and they get commended for their dedication and balls. Hello? Both people are compleatly sad. People that log onto the server on christmass day should be pitied not commended. I'm stunned people are even concidering it. I'm going to be spending the day away from the computer. Hell I dont particularly like my family but I'm going to be spending the day with them anyway. If the addiction factor is so high that you need to be on here on that day then there is something compleatly wrong here. It either the game that is too addictive or its the peoson that has allowed himself to be sucked in here. Probably both. And frankly if that the case then you need to look at yourself and the game becasue this is just silly.
I know this will fall compleatly on deaf ears. but if 2 people actually look into their souls and think.. "You know maybe if I go into town and sit down and look at people playing christmas carols or just take in the atmosphere, it might actually be a nice thing to do. Might feel good." then this post with the adentent enevitable flames will be worth it.
If ccp wants to give people a christmass present then shut down the server for 24 hours. put a time freeze on it so everything is as it would be on christmass day and they people can stare at their screens and but heads all they want. But not on christmass day FFS.
And I'm saying this to myself becasue I've come to realise Eve has too much of a hold on me, so its something I'm trying desperatly to say to myself. Hense me staying with my family (who are *******s) but it will be a good thing to do.
Flame on, Torch...
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Petrothian Tong
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:36:00 -
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Hi, my name is Petrothian and I am addicted to Eve..
*room says hi back*
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Johnny Twoshoe
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 24/12/2006 04:39:14 There are plenty of EVE players who, for one reason or another, do not observe Christmas. Why should they suffer (IE: shutting down the server as you suggested)?
I do agree, however, that scheduling ops on Christmas day is a bit... what's the word? Iffy? Even if the players which will participate don't observe Christmas. What's worse is that some people will (I'm sure) forgo any sort of Christmas festivities, even those they might have enjoyed with their families (!), in order to play EVE and be their for their alliances.
Imagine a child and his mother sitting near a warm fire and a tall, decorated Christmas tree. Imagine that these two people will not be able to enjoy this Christmas with their father/husband simply because the man decided to play EVE Online instead of celebrate Christmas with his family.
Sad thoughts.
On a side note, you will be in my prayers concerning your EVE addiction (that's not to say I don't have my own problems.)
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Levin Milraco
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:42:00 -
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yeah.. all comes down to what is more important to you...
real people in your life, family, or playing games with a bunch of people that(chances are) you never seen, will not depend on in real life, and limited interaction though an impersonal environment.......
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:45:00 -
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Some of us don't celebrate christmas, so what would be the point of shutting down the server as a "present"?
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Elithen
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:50:00 -
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I have an idea what if you got every 1 in your family on a free 14 day free trial in EVE and celebrated thru the game!!!!, just kidding. Ya, some people do seriously need to look at the bigger picture.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: PartyVaN on 24/12/2006 04:55:19 this thread is so misguided. Your opinions are not those of everyone else, not everyone celebrates Christmas or holidays at all for that matter, and lastly why do you think know whats best for everyone else?
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AirWalker
Amarr Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2006.12.24 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN this thread is so misguided. Your opinions are not those of everyone else, not everyone celebrates Christmas or holidays at all for that matter, and lastly why do you think know whats best for everyone else
well said......
and i can garuntee ya that i'll be online on xmas...not only because of skill training but i'll do anything to get away from family...so drinking and eve it is
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 24/12/2006 05:10:02
Originally by: PartyVaN Edited by: PartyVaN on 24/12/2006 04:55:19 this thread is so misguided. Your opinions are not those of everyone else, not everyone celebrates Christmas or holidays at all for that matter, and lastly why do you think know whats best for everyone else?
I'll actually answer that one. No, I dont know what is good for anyone else, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer screen playing a virtual game on christmass cannot be good for you.
Yes not everyone celebrates christmas. I certanly do not (at least in the classic way, as in buying presents and all that rot) but you know it exists, and what it symbolises. For people to remain locked into their virtual world on this day draws a line for me. I think it kind of woke me up. Frankly I understand why people would spend all day at their computer and thats what woke me up becasue I know damn well its not good for me. And I cant think of any disorder where it would actually be a benefit for. Probably someone somewhere would benefit, but that would be a unique case. Most peopel will lose a bit of themselves. I've been involved on the internet for over 10 years and I have seen people get very hurt with far less addictions than this
I know I'm going to be in eve withdrawl in christmass day. Thats why I am going to be cooking the christmass deserts and a lot of the dinner stuff to keep busy. If I have to go through that concoiusly, how many other people are thinking "Ahh christmass is rot anyway, lets play eve." It is crossing the line and it hurts you.
I felt I had to say something and at least I have done that much. And thank you for the constructive posts so far, everyone.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: PartyVaN on 24/12/2006 05:15:45
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Originally by: PartyVaN Edited by: PartyVaN on 24/12/2006 04:55:19 this thread is so misguided. Your opinions are not those of everyone else, not everyone celebrates Christmas or holidays at all for that matter, and lastly why do you think know whats best for everyone else?
I'll actually answer that one. I dont know what is good for anyone else, but I do knwo that sitting in fromt of a computer screen on christmass cannot be good for you. Yes not everyone celebrates christmas. I certanly do not (at least in the classic way, as in buying presents and all that rot) but you know it exists, and what it symbolises. For people to remain locked into their virtual world on this day draws a line for me. I think it kind of woke me up. Frankly I understand why people would spend all day at their computer and thats what woke me up becasue I know damn well its not good for me. And I cant think of any disorder where it would actually be a benefit for. I know I'm going to be in eve withdrawl in christmass day. Thats why I am going to be cooking the christmass deserts and a lot of the dinner stuff to keep busy. If I have to go through that concoiusly, how many other people are thinking "Ahh christmass is rot anyway, lets play eve" Its crossing the line and it hurts you. So I felt I had to say something.
Again, your opinions are not those of everyone else. To me, Christmas is just crass commercialism and the true meaning of Christmas (whatever it is, I dont know exactly) is pretty much lost on everyone. Hanging out with your friends, eating a nice dinner, and hey maybe even giving some gifts, that sounds perfectly fine to me, but it shouldn't take some once a year holiday for people to feel that the have to do it. People (or at least I) do these things all the time (friends food relationships parties family etc etc), and hey guess what, I play EVE too!
Now i dont know much about serious addiction, especially video game addiction. However I can tell that making a thread along the lines of "Hey all u guys who play eve too much yo get a life n stuff and go celebrate birth of jesus christ i mean come on ur wasting ur life lolz" is probably the worst possible way to start a discussion on it.
What people do with their lives is up to them entirely, and consequences of their actions (good or bad) are something they have to deal with. If someone needs serious help in their life (addiction for example), then they need serious focused help from someone who knows what they're doing, not some kid on a forum saying "video games = bad, jesus = good"
typos :(
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: PartyVaN on 24/12/2006 05:36:45 and lol i just saw this in your first post Himo
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
I'll actually answer that one. No, I dont know what is good for anyone else, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer screen playing a virtual game on christmass cannot be good for you.
Please explain to me how you know that "sitting in front of a computer screen playing a virtual game on christmass cannot be good for you."
And how can you "not know whats good for anyone else" and at the same time know for sure that "sitting in front of a computer screen playing a virtual game on christmass cannot be good for you."?
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 24/12/2006 05:31:35 So when did I mention Jesus, exactly? If you think I'm on some kind of evangelical recruitment drive you have seriously missread my post.
I'm talking about priorities. Eve is a computer game. A good one, but a computer game. At the end of the day all the killmails and all the veldspar and all the talk will fade away and mean zip. One day eve will shut down. Its inevitable. Those guys you are talking to on TS? Unless you are very very lucky, you will neve hear from them again. Someone leaves your corp or alliance, even if you were best buds you will be lucky if you hear from them twice before they vanish into the mists. Thats the reality of the internet. The interaction is too hazy for it to be otherwise. It requires your own mind to fill in the blanks. And thats the danger. Its seductive becasue half the time you are filling in the blanks yourself with what you want to see.
Addiction is not a small thing that happens overnight. its a series of steps and choices that are made. You have to make the steps. Logging on to a computer game at christmass is one such step and a big one. Yes christmass is a commercial nightmare, but deep down in everyone there is a little voice that says it isn't.. I dont know how to say it properly. but even for you the day is marked. Playing on that day is a step on the road. You are choseing eve to be a greater priority than the real life stuff that you know is going on around you on christmass day. And frankly this is disasterous. You are blocking out the world that little bit harder and pushing yourself down the road more on that day.
Jesus has about as much to do with it as Khrishna.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:34:00 -
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And wow again, everything you have said is solely your opinion. I'll accept "EVE is a videogame" and "everyone has different priorities", but aside from that everything else is just assumptions you've made based off, something? (idk please explain why you know all of this to be true)
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:43:00 -
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Because its 5:30 in the morning and I'm arguing with someone I've never met on the internet! LOL
I'll prove it strue the same way you can prove it isn't, you cant, and its a lazy way of arguing to keep asking the person to try.
Anyway, I'll take my own advice, turn off the computer and cook myself a stirfry. I've made my attempt and people can make of it what they will. However you chose to celebrate it or not at all, have a good day everyone. Peace.
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Senti Kai
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:52:00 -
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There was a nice bit on the History Channel about the orgins of the x-mas celebration. Very interesting. Noone should feel guilty about skipping the day, there's 364 others you can spend with your family, and if people need brainwashing from corporations to spend time with the family, then there's a problem there.
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Quilan Ziller
Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia
So when did I mention Jesus, exactly?
There, you just did :)
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
I'm talking about priorities. Eve is a computer game. A good one, but a computer game. At the end of the day all the killmails and all the veldspar and all the talk will fade away and mean zip. One day eve will shut down. Its inevitable. Those guys you are talking to on TS? Unless you are very very lucky, you will neve hear from them again. Someone leaves your corp or alliance, even if you were best buds you will be lucky if you hear from them twice before they vanish into the mists. Thats the reality of the internet. The interaction is too hazy for it to be otherwise. It requires your own mind to fill in the blanks. And thats the danger. Its seductive becasue half the time you are filling in the blanks yourself with what you want to see.
While what you have just said might be true for you, it is most certainly not true for everyone. And forgive me for asking, but who are you to be telling to other people what their priorities in life should be?
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Addiction is not a small thing that happens overnight. its a series of steps and choices that are made. You have to make the steps. Logging on to a computer game at christmass is one such step and a big one.
And... Why should I care about christmas at all? To tell you the truth, I don't care about this holiday - it annoys the hell out of me. I don't like cristmas music. I don't like the commercial aspect of it. I don't like not being able to stock up on groceries on December 25. I am not religious, and I am annoyed by the fact that this religious holiday is being observed by the orders of a nominally secular government of my nominally free country. Yes, I have been working today, and I will be going to work tomorrow (not because of money, but because I can, and I like my work). Yes, I will play EVE on christmas, and my corp will have an op scheduled. Nobody here is making you play against your will.
______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein |
Kopach
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:17:00 -
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Some facts:
- Not every single EvE player is a christian and some just do not celebrate stuff inc christmass. You assumed differently or just forgot that all online games are world-wide so I "forgive" you hehe becouse your point is valid , you just used Christmass as an example or a "wake-up-call" as you said it.. I got it.
- Online gaming is the "plague" of the 21st century and anyone that claims differently should be slaped silly.
- We live in some ****y weird times where people would rather escape in some virtual world then deal with the real-life issues and problems that are just piling up it seems as the time goes by. Today`s way of life or whatever is just too demanding on people , there are not enough hours in the day to get everything that is expected of you done , let alone have some free time for yourself. So many c.r.a.c.k
- I`ve been playing online games for 3+ years now and in that time I`ve seen or heard of at least a dozen of divorces mainly caused by exessive gaming.
- There is most likely a double-digit number of psyhological disorders that you can slap on the online gamers. Who is to blame for this ? I dunno but its starting to get ridiculous when people are choosing to keep playing games even on such an important day/holiday/tradition for some as christmass.
- I would have made a much beter post in my own language instead of English. :)
- Peace
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:25:00 -
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Point; Some people as said may not observe christmas as part of their religion, and I KNOW you aren't going to try and force it on someone else.
Point; Some people still have to work on christmas or they may well lose their jobs or equally nasty stuff.
Point; Some people may not have family or friends around when/where they are to spend christmas with.
Point; I suggest you think before you open your cakehole.
My point; I have the 2nd and 3rd problem mentioned here and as such will log in and play eve as a way of relaxing after work/ before work on/ over christmas. Do yxou have any suggestions to make what you just said a reality considering these points laid out here. It may just not be choice that they are alone over christmas, so they may aswell spend it relaxing if they can. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:28:00 -
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Im not at all refuting the existence of video-game addiction, I was mearly just trying to get the OP to backup someof his broad, ill conceived statements. But it seems he couldn't handle it and pull a logoffski!
God I love internets
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Sadayiel
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:32:00 -
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Let's see i care a **** about christmas, mostly due i dislike and almost hate all religious, festivity as i "personally" consider like stupid human lie (but i respect the belief on that)
On all this time i use to run a tradition for xmas, so i end such days within my family or my friends, also i keep almost ever connected, oh im a freak and sad guy then??
not really i not see any trouble at all stay at home, while online in a game sit somewhere in space chatting with online friends(and wishing them happy Xmas), also speaking with family or friends in the house or just playing the game because on that moment i have nothing better to do. Every man know he's going to die, but no one believes that's going to happen |
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 24/12/2006 06:34:11 Party van, I do apologise, my post was directed at the op, not yourself.
In any case, if you do celebrate it, Merry Christmas, if not, then have a nice weekend. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.24 07:06:00 -
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that u don`t want to play eve, fine, but i`ll be playing with my new toys here on x`mas
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Mr Li
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Posted - 2006.12.24 07:56:00 -
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It's certainly not only about Christmas. ALthough the OP stresses the day of Christmas, to me it extends so much further. Tomorrow night i will have family in my home that will have traveled far and wide. My extended family is all over the world and something like Christmas is one of the few times we get to see each other face to face and share stories and gifts in an intimate setting. There is no way in hell I'm going to go upstairs, away from the party, away from my family, to play Eve Online no matter how good a game it is and no matter if my POSes are being attacked by an enemy Dread fleet. But, for me, this isn't only a Christmas time thing. I would hope that all people who play this game give their family and friends priority over Eve no matter the day, be it holy or not. The next time any one in this community is sitting at their computer doing whatever it is you do in Eve and you get a phone call from your friend or brother or sister or mom or dad--anyone you care about pick it up. Teamspeak can wait and it's ok to let your barge's cargo fill up, making your lasers turn off and missing a cycle. Ask your friend what's up and how he or she is doing, maybe even do something together if it's an option.
and for anyone who wants to reply to me and say "I don't have any friends and I hate my family" then it would be best to log off and address these real problems and reflect on why you feel this way. Addiction in any form can hurt a lot of people and if you're really truly addicted to the game to the point where you sacrifice work, school,family and friends for that "important" fleet op, on a regular basis, and you honestly find that you can't control yourself, please don't be afraid to ask for help or to admit that maybe there is a problem.
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Kirianshalee
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:07:00 -
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Hi,
What makes "christmas" a day other than any day of the year I am not religous and the mass consumption of these day annoys the hell out of me (lights tons of food). Am I suppossed to celebrate that i have a lot while most of the world lives in poverty.
I am not gonna let a relegious/commercial day dictate when i should see my family and friend I see them when I want to and can. I and and not You decide what has value in my life.
To summarize as no day in the year is christmas for me every day is. Why should I spent money for something I do and feel all year round.
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Bill Shankly
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bill Shankly on 24/12/2006 11:11:32 All christmas is for, is to make money, Most people arnt religious. I pity those that fall for it.
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Fon Revedhort
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 24/12/2006 11:18:58
Quote: If the red alliance killed poses on christmass day that would be accused of breaking game mechanics or low play or something.
Most of people in Red are Russians, and we do not celebrate X-mas on 25 of December. Our X-mas is in January. So why should they think about their enemy's holidays? Also, you shouldn't bother if they do kill - you were the first to say 'it's just a game' %)
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Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:20:00 -
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Oh christ not this again...just forget it already. Do whatever you want for christmas..see it how you wish. The server won't get taken down or anything, and nobody is going to force you to celebrate christmas.
I'm not religious myself at all, but I do celebrate christmas, simply because it's a nice tradition from my point of view.
Just forget about it..those of you who don't celebrate it..don't, that's entirely up to you. Those of you who do..great! more pressies and foodz for us! ^_^
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Taliac
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:25:00 -
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I don't give a **** about christmas so i will be playing eve.
So should you Himo,staying with your ****ty family isn't better than playing eve
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia I just had a look at the alliance discussions thread (I'll be posting my own thread there in a moment wheich will be flamed but I dont gove a crap, its not like I'll be reading there again) And I have a couple of thoughts..
There have been multiple threads about such and such happening on christmass day. Killing poses and another about how "gatecamping is not how I want to spend christmass day" I mean, hello? What is this? This is a sodding computer game. if your forced to sit down and play this on that day their is something seriously wrong here. If the red alliance killed poses on christmass day that would be accused of breaking game mechanics or low play or something. The local big male member alliance does it and they get commended for their dedication and balls. Hello? Both people are compleatly sad. People that log onto the server on christmass day should be pitied not commended. I'm stunned people are even concidering it. I'm going to be spending the day away from the computer. Hell I dont particularly like my family but I'm going to be spending the day with them anyway. If the addiction factor is so high that you need to be on here on that day then there is something compleatly wrong here. It either the game that is too addictive or its the peoson that has allowed himself to be sucked in here. Probably both. And frankly if that the case then you need to look at yourself and the game becasue this is just silly.
I know this will fall compleatly on deaf ears. but if 2 people actually look into their souls and think.. "You know maybe if I go into town and sit down and look at people playing christmas carols or just take in the atmosphere, it might actually be a nice thing to do. Might feel good." then this post with the adentent enevitable flames will be worth it.
If ccp wants to give people a christmass present then shut down the server for 24 hours. put a time freeze on it so everything is as it would be on christmass day and they people can stare at their screens and but heads all they want. But not on christmass day FFS.
And I'm saying this to myself becasue I've come to realise Eve has too much of a hold on me, so its something I'm trying desperatly to say to myself. Hense me staying with my family (who are *******s) but it will be a good thing to do.
Flame on, Torch...
Hey dont force your beliefs on everyone. This is a gaming community and not everyone is a christian or even a believer. Im an atheist. I dont celebrate christmas. Just because some ppl belive in some hocus pokus book thats 2000 years old doesnt justify it messing with my game. Im NOT gonna play today or tomorrow BUT I dont like to see eve shut down for ANY religious reason. Havent we got enough religious influence in our society, do we have to bring it into a pc game aswell? No thx.
(...yes I do like to go downtown, watch ppl, see animals run around, breathe the fresh air and all that crap, but I choose to do it any day i like...)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/12/2006 11:33:13
You dont have to understand the reasons for people having a different opinion to respect it. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
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