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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
661
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Posted - 2015.10.05 23:49:04 -
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I came upon this question in one of the recent threads, and it sort of stuck. There are threads in this forum about what would you do if left alone for a day, or what games you play, so why not: what would you do with forty thousand slaves?
My personal answer is: I would take a week or two to select those I deem fit and the most loyal to me as their saviour to crew my ships and planetside installations. Their opinion counts, of course. That would be 150, maybe up to 500 people. They would be freed, paid and treated as they deserve, depending on their character, history and abilities.
The rest would be asked if there are volunteers to permanently settle in Origin, the home wormhole system of my current corporation. All volunteers would be then transferred to the baseliner system authorities through Saede Riordan.
The rest would be shipped to Rens and given over to the Tribes, probably ending up in a camp or a slum of some sort.
Now, it's your turn, dear reader. What would you do with forty thousand slaves?
And no, Nauplius is not eligible to answer: he'll sacrifice them all to the Red God anyway. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1487
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Posted - 2015.10.05 23:58:12 -
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Hmmmmm...... Hard to say they'd all end up being freed, of course, but it would be a shame to not do something with them first..... maybe take them to a show or throw a party.....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1493
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Posted - 2015.10.06 00:12:59 -
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Given the relative disparity in wealth between even the poorest capsuleers and the upper classes of baseliner society...
40,000 of them? Give them each a million ISK and tell them to enjoy their lives. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2418
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Posted - 2015.10.06 00:29:08 -
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What I always do when I come into possession with slaves. I make sure they are safe and cared for, and then send them to Ardishapur civic authorities to handle their transport to suitable Holders. Any that aren't registered already as legal Amarrian property I do my best to send back to their proper homes, or to full-time refugee care organizations like Aurora Arcology.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Astera Zandraki
Black Fox Marauders
111
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Posted - 2015.10.06 00:49:53 -
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Free, finance education and care... then aid in seeking employment and full Federal citizenship. Additionally, attempt to obtain information on previous holders for possible punitive action. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
287
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Posted - 2015.10.06 00:59:00 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote: My personal answer is: I would take a week or two to select those I deem fit and the most loyal to me as their saviour to crew my ships and planetside installations. Their opinion counts, of course. That would be 150, maybe up to 500 people. They would be freed, paid and treated as they deserve, depending on their character, history and abilities.
This is a good answer.
Now, as much as one would like to simply say "free these guys", this is not the answer. Neither is "Imma go give them money and send them free".
40k of people is a lot. A small town, basically. All sorts of people, most likely. Kids, adults, older people. Families, singles. Healthy, sick, disabled. Educated and uneducated.
Even for multitasking genii like us, this is a lot of information, faces and lives to process, make a fateful decision. This is where we, ourselves, will need support. Of course, if you care about these people. This is where I, personally, am glad that I am of Caldari origin. I realise that for everything to work there needs to be a structure, a corporation, if we put it stereotypically. And while every gear is important, at the same time every gear needs a mechanism to function.
These mechanisms do already exist. All sorts of care organisations. They create work places, educate, set refugees for success. Some of them are capsuleer owned. It is not a huge strain for us, in financial sort of way - we can make more money overnight lazily watching some sitcoms than a thousand baseliners can make in their whole lifetime.
So what would I do with 40000 of slaves? The same thing I usually do - I set them up for their new and hopefully better life.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
739
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Posted - 2015.10.06 01:10:25 -
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Really depends.
Are they or are they not Vitoxin-infected? If they are, just send them to the Republic or anyone with treatment facilities.
If not, well, depends on their background. If they were abducted from a colony somewhere and have some kind of useful skill and can join the workforce immediately, I see if they are interested in joining my body of staff. Otherwise, send them into the Republic or any of the closest refugee camps or something.
Yes, no small number of crew in colonies under my management were all either war refugees or liberated slaves with the aforementioned background. I do not take in too many of them however, simply because:
1. Those are all industrial colonies and they aren't supposed to be *living* there long-term. 2. They all have homes in stations or elsewhere. Hell, I encourage them to set up roots elsewhere and if they haven't already, use their income and their downtime to find a place to settle down.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
226
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Posted - 2015.10.06 01:27:38 -
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So far I have fifty thousand slaves loaded up to send to Nauplius. So that's my answer. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1641
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Posted - 2015.10.06 02:01:24 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote:So far I have fifty thousand slaves loaded up to send to Nauplius. So that's my answer. Usually, a story of unrequited love tugs at my heart at least a little.
This time, not so much. |
Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
226
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Posted - 2015.10.06 02:05:48 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Anyanka Funk wrote:So far I have fifty thousand slaves loaded up to send to Nauplius. So that's my answer. Usually, a story of unrequited love tugs at my heart at least a little. This time, not so much.
We're adopting Ria Nieyli.
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Goldfinch
Order of Jamyl
454
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Posted - 2015.10.06 04:30:40 -
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We would save them.
Interpret that however you will.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
509
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Posted - 2015.10.06 04:49:12 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:What I always do when I come into possession with slaves. I make sure they are safe and cared for, and then send them to Ardishapur civic authorities to handle their transport to suitable Holders. Any that aren't registered already as legal Amarrian property I do my best to send back to their proper homes, or to full-time refugee care organizations like Aurora Arcology.
What Lieutenant Kerner said.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
740
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Posted - 2015.10.06 05:47:55 -
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Did a little math.
For each colony I run, I need:
4 Power Engineers 4 Hangar Operators 8 Civic Engineers 54 Automation Engineers 10 Launchpad workers 5 Flight controllers 3 in Admin 4 MTAC Operators 14 Drone Operators 2 Planetside Pilots 5 Janitors 5 Med Techs 100 Support Staff 4 Communications technicians 6 Chefs
Total per colony is 228 personnel. I run 5 colonies so total is 1140 personnel.
Then we discuss stationside. I need:
2 Programmers 20 Communications technicians 4 MTAC Operators 1 Power Engineer 1 Drone Operator 1 Automations Engineer 1 Starship architect 100 Support Staff/Technician 2 Janitors 4 Med Techs 4 Hangar Operators 4 Flight Controllers 6 Chefs
That means 150 personnel. Total personnel is 1290.
Assuming that I'm taking all of these from the 40,000 slaves, I'm think I will have to turn away 38,710 slaves.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1038
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Posted - 2015.10.06 05:49:42 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:What would you do with forty thousand slaves?
I would stage a spectacular interpretive dance disco opera.
AMARR ! The Musical !
And none of you could stop me ! Wahahahahahahahaaaaa !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1495
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:37:56 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Did a little math.
(SNIP)
Total personnel I will need is 1290.
Assuming that I'm taking all of these from the 40,000 slaves, I'm think I will have to turn away 38,710 slaves.
Seriously. 40,000 is about the population of a Skarkon slums. I can't employ all of them and will need to have them relocated to the Aurora Arcology to sort out. I'm not even sure if the Republic will simply just take in 40,000 slaves. Well, they probably will considering that 40,000 is pistachio nuts compared to what they took in when the late Empress decided to emancipate slaves, but moving 40,000 slaves through Federation territory and into Republic territory and having to explain to customs that I'm not a trafficker? Aurora Arcology is much closer and requires a deal fewer paperwork.
This is why I say just give them each a million ISK. As baseliners, they're more or less set for life, and it's more or less pocket lint. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
740
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:44:22 -
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Arrendis wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Did a little math.
(SNIP)
Total personnel I will need is 1290.
Assuming that I'm taking all of these from the 40,000 slaves, I'm think I will have to turn away 38,710 slaves.
Seriously. 40,000 is about the population of a Skarkon slums. I can't employ all of them and will need to have them relocated to the Aurora Arcology to sort out. I'm not even sure if the Republic will simply just take in 40,000 slaves. Well, they probably will considering that 40,000 is pistachio nuts compared to what they took in when the late Empress decided to emancipate slaves, but moving 40,000 slaves through Federation territory and into Republic territory and having to explain to customs that I'm not a trafficker? Aurora Arcology is much closer and requires a deal fewer paperwork. This is why I say just give them each a million ISK. As baseliners, they're more or less set for life, and it's more or less pocket lint.
Referring to my earlier post, it's not a simple matter of just giving them each one million ISK. If they are all infected with Vitoxin, one million ISK won't help.
Not to mention we have to ponder on whether these are first-generation slaves or nth generation slaves. First generation slaves are fine once they get their freedom back since they were free-men once and knew how to sort themselves out. The rest though have all manner of psychological issues. They don't know what freedom is and how to deal with the reality of suddenly never needing to ever be told what to do. Not to mention such slaves won't know how to take care of themselves. They never had to, all their needs were provided by their former masters. Give them one million ISK and they will just stare at the thing wondering what the hell.
Then we have to also consider the matter of housing them. Where are they going to go? These 40,000 slaves are leaving slavery into a realm where they have absolutely nothing, assuming that they are the nth-generation slaves. No homes, no families, no jobs, no idea what to do with themselves. They need to be educated and rehabilitated. And how about citizenship? They need to be registered too.
You can't just give them one million ISK each and expect them to thrive. More likely they will be cheated off all that money or be poached by somebody else and nothing is solved.
Finally, 40,000,000,000 ISK? I don't know about Goons for but a great deal of freelance privateers, this is hell alot of money.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1495
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:55:09 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:You can't just give them one million ISK each and expect them to thrive. More likely they will be cheated off all that money or be poached by somebody else and nothing is solved.
Nope. I don't expect them all to thrive. But I do expect that a million ISK, dirtside, will buy them a lot of room for error - and that's a hell of a lot more than I can give them.
Quote: Finally, 40,000,000,000 ISK? I don't know about Goons for but a great deal of freelance privateers, this is hell alot of money.
Oh. Uhm...
Sorry? |
Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:55:29 -
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I would either return then to a reliable holder, or execute them on the spot in order to prevent any possible future association with the Federation and their allies.
These are the only valid options. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1495
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Posted - 2015.10.06 06:59:23 -
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Isn't slavery illegal in the State?
Wouldn't that mean you're an accessory to a crime? I mean, completely ignoring the 'cold-blooded murder of 40,000 non-combatants' angle.
Also, you're associating with Federation and allied assets right now. Should you take the same hard stance regarding your own life?
And finally: Are you sure you're not Diana Kim? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
740
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Posted - 2015.10.06 07:00:40 -
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Arrendis wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:You can't just give them one million ISK each and expect them to thrive. More likely they will be cheated off all that money or be poached by somebody else and nothing is solved. Nope. I don't expect them all to thrive. But I do expect that a million ISK, dirtside, will buy them a lot of room for error - and that's a hell of a lot more than I can give them.
Fortunately I do have transport and am no stranger to running through lowsec in blockade runners or, hell, a Deep Space Transport. I can ship them to the Arcology personally if I have to. They have the facilities to deal with the situation but I damn well hope they have space for 40,000 and their administration has a great deal of patience.
It will be multiple trips unfortunately, even if I cramp them all into the cargo hold to maximise slaves, which is just as bad if not worse than slavery itself. Time, fortunately, is something I can free up.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
596
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Posted - 2015.10.06 08:46:12 -
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A rather simplified, practically childish scenario - or at least the question is asked in such a way.
What are the circumstances of acquiring these slaves? Through a trade or rather gift, having salvaged them as loot on a derelict spacecraft, having acquired them planetside?
What is the demographic composition of these slaves? Education? What kind of jobs are they viable for?
Before doing anything with them, a proper census and segregation of them would be the only sane option. Background checks too, if possible; those people came from somewhere after all. Then, consider what best to do with them, given the results.
Proper branding and assortment of merchandise will allow for much better value then just selling it unmarked, in bulk.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
662
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Posted - 2015.10.06 08:49:01 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote:So far I have fifty thousand slaves loaded up to send to Nauplius. So that's my answer. Well, those are out of luck. I never understood the fun of industrial-scale mass murdering of random baseliners. In fact, I find it more fun to unexpectedly blap those who do so, though Concord often disagrees with me for some weird reason... But, to each their own.
Elmund Egivand wrote:I will not take in any slaves of the second-generation or up, because frankly, I do not have the facilities to re-educate or rehabilitate them. First generation slaves, namely, slaves who were once free-men abducted by maleficent organisations or sold by their families or communities (yes, things like this still happen, especially in border regions or the seedier parts of high-sec) know what freedom is and, with some work, can be rehabilitated without too much deep-seated psychological effects. However, second generation slaves onwards are hard to work with. First, they don't even know what freedom is, and have a hard time adjusting to the notion of 'doing things for your own sake'. Not to mention they are deeply indoctrinated to be slaves. It takes alot of time and effort to erase this programming. If you leave their religion and acquired habits alone and treat them well, up to 30% of those still can make decent employees (If we filter out the extreme cases, those who are utterly broken, zealot converts, Vitoc victims, etc.). Though, of course, I probably won't risk going against an Imperial fleet with a crew full of those. But even there are exceptions: for example, when planetside, I routinely trust my life to a 9th generation freedman who has a pedigree like some sort of a slaver hound and doesn't even want to have a clue what a "freedom" is (in Minmatar sense of the word; he's technically free for, like, a decade).
On the other hand, the liberated freeborn - those, who have no homes to return to - do indeed make most loyal volunteers, if sometimes too bloodthirsty. |
Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.10.06 09:24:03 -
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Arrendis wrote:Isn't slavery illegal in the State?
Illegal assets are to be destroyed immediately upon being adquired. No exceptions.
The irony of an outlaw like you being concerned with legal procedures isn't lost on me. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
3
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Posted - 2015.10.06 09:28:44 -
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Every single subject should be examined and tested, and every single life should find it's purpose for Necris Collective based on it's personal abilities. Varying from new Nanoblack hosts to biomass reprocessing. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
521
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Posted - 2015.10.06 11:16:58 -
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Long have I preached what one must do with slaves. Long have I been ignored.
O God, when will you bring your Judgement upon a wicked and disbelieving generation? |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
597
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Posted - 2015.10.06 11:27:33 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:...Necris Collective based on it's personal abilities. Varying from new Nanoblack hosts to biomass reprocessing.
Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of?
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.10.06 11:32:21 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of?
Judging by their covert presence in this communication feed, are you really that surprised?
This whole topic could very well be a screening test to recruit potential True Citizens. That prospect alone disgusts me. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
3
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Posted - 2015.10.06 11:38:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of? Speaking in your terms, Sansha should be judged for plagiarism first - not only for mass slavery. |
Jennifer Starfall
Chrysos Aigis
286
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Posted - 2015.10.06 12:13:58 -
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A simplistic question, yes, challenging questions, none the less. I'm sure we all feel the tug in multiple directions, like flying through a complex gravitational system. Our emotions demand one response, the ethics and mores of our parental society another. Even peer pressure within capsuleer society has its own influences.
But that all ignores one very important fact: they are people. And, as people, they have the gift of choosing their own fates. Who are we, who struggle to see our own paths clearly, to choose the paths of others?
And, as such I would grace them with the kindness that has been shown to me: I would get them what healing I could, both of the mind and body, likely with the help of those such as Dr. Scherezad or the intake staff of the Aurora Arcology. I'd have removed any TCMCs, if any were suffering under such vile devices, or at least neutralize their influence as much as possible.
Then, rested and healed after a fashion, in the best position possible, I would let them choose their fates. For those who desire employment by capsuleers and its allure, there are a myriad of options. Some may remember loved ones and wish to return to them. Others may see this as a second chance and wish to just return to the anonymity of baseliner life. There will even be those form whom the choice holds fear, and they only wish to return to the safety of their master's care. There may even be some choose to exercise their choice to end it all.
All of them, their fates to choose, once their minds and bodies are sound. Forty thousand luminous particles bursting forth to track their paths through the cosmos.
Jennifer Starfall
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Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
227
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Posted - 2015.10.06 13:25:20 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Jade Blackwind wrote:What would you do with forty thousand slaves? I would stage a spectacular interpretive dance disco opera. AMARR ! The Musical ! And none of you could stop me ! Wahahahahahahahaaaaa ! This will be arranged. |
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