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Mr De
Misfits United I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2015.10.06 19:54:35 -
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Gate camping today for lolz.
5977 scan res, being remote sebo'd. Pre-activated long point. Clicked crow in overview. Crow appears on top of my screen, as a successful lock, module attempts to activate, I continually get the message
"target is invulnerable"
I get this every time I try to lock interceptors.
Is insta-locking a myth now? Is it unachievable?
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Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:07:40 -
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Any ship with an align time less than 2 seconds is going to be very nearly impossible to catch unless you have basically 0 latency (live in London), and even then, it's a crapshoot.
It's comes down to basic game mechanics. On a ship with a 1.5s align time, he decloaks on 1 tick, you lock him on the second, and by the time the 3rd comes around, he is already off-grid. You can't lock a target and activate a module on it in the same tick, it takes two.
You can visualize it like this:
4 If he hasn't warped, this 1 tick 2 he hits warp and decloakes 3 You lock him is where your primed module would activate |___________________|________________|____________i_________| somewhere in between 3 and 4 the server processes that he has spent enough time aligning and considers him "warped"
EDIT: Okay, well, the forums butchered my cool little graph. Sorry. =\
I tried. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:13:34 -
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Nothing has changed, except maybe the latency between you and the server.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Austneal
Nero Fazione End of Life
80
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:41:27 -
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Shey Nabali wrote: --- 1 tick | | | | --- 2 he hits warp and decloakes | | | | --- 3 You lock him | | | | --- 4 If he hasn't warped, this is where your primed module would activate
somewhere in between 3 and 4 the server processes that he has spent enough time aligning and considers him "warped"
Unbotch! |
DEM0N SEEKER
Aliastra Gallente Federation
909
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Posted - 2015.10.06 21:05:41 -
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ceptor is number one ship in game atm |
Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
58292
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Posted - 2015.10.06 21:44:19 -
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There never was insta-locking. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1556
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Posted - 2015.10.06 22:37:44 -
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You don't just need to be good you have to also be lucky.
Then again same applies to covops outside null. |
Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners Maggie's Magical Malliance
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Posted - 2015.10.06 23:38:15 -
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This has been a thing for quite some time. Server ticks are every second, so any ship with less than 2 seconds align time is practically impossible to lock.
1. Ship you want to pew sends warp command and begins aligning. 2. On the next server tick, you see the pewable ship show up on grid. 3. You begin lock. 4. On the next server tick, ship will be locked. 5. Ship had 1.5 sec align time so the lock never made it. 6. Use smartbombs.
https://www.themittani.com/features/understanding-eve-online-server-tick |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40456
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Posted - 2015.10.06 23:43:31 -
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Was always a myth.
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Starbuck05
Warmongering Space Invaders Criminal Intentions.
329
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Posted - 2015.10.07 08:22:02 -
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I think its quite fair, people should not be able to forcefully stop anyone from going through a gate ( by stop i mean for fear of dying if they try ) .
I believe if people have the means then some of them should succeed ..else you'd be seeing nothing but gate camps ..everywhere...always..all the frickin time..
Just because i am blond does not make me stoooopid !
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1605
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Posted - 2015.10.07 08:41:03 -
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i was told anything above 3400 scan res is pointless and has no extra benefit
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3235
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Posted - 2015.10.07 11:57:30 -
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Takes me back to the early eve days where i would gatecamp in a raven with full seborack , could lock and scram a frig before they hit warp ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:10:13 -
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This has been true since forever. However, it did not matter when Interceptors could get trapped in a Bubble. At this point, the only way to half-way reliably kill Interceptors is a Disco. |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.10.08 09:55:00 -
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if your camping in a pipe, bomb the gate! if your insta locks too slow, bomb the gate! if septors got ya down and shuttles make you frown, bomb the gate! |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
953
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Posted - 2015.10.08 10:29:06 -
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Smartbombs dont have to lock anything :p
Also if you want to be leet, Remote sebo a Hic... Catch all of those stabbed haulers!
No Worries
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.10.08 10:35:57 -
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Mr De wrote:Gate camping today for lolz.
5977 scan res, being remote sebo'd. Pre-activated long point. Clicked crow in overview. Crow appears on top of my screen, as a successful lock, module attempts to activate, I continually get the message
"target is invulnerable"
I get this every time I try to lock interceptors.
Is insta-locking a myth now? Is it unachievable?
So you disabled the exploit, gotten too much attention? |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.08 11:37:26 -
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Neuntausend wrote:This has been true since forever. However, it did not matter when Interceptors could get trapped in a Bubble. At this point, the only way to half-way reliably kill Interceptors is a Disco.
To be fair, that's comfortably one of the most hilarious ways to chill with friends and get drunk of an evening. The kills are hilarious every time. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
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Posted - 2015.10.08 20:51:19 -
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Neuntausend wrote:This has been true since forever. However, it did not matter when Interceptors could get trapped in a Bubble. At this point, the only way to half-way reliably kill Interceptors is a Disco.
This is true, however the person must know what he is doing and than it is still a 50/50 coin toss, depending on the skill of the smartbomber. Inties are really really hard to catch with smartbombs.
Smartbombs are a relic of looong ago and they haven't been tweaked since i can even remember. They should get a bit more damage thou, the T1 and T2 ship buff really nerfed it into a pods and shuttle thing.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.08 21:37:42 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nothing has changed, except maybe the latency between you and the server and possibly your reaction time.
Latency is the key factor. If you have none, and he has a 1-2 second latency; you can catch him. |
Silver Charms
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:46:45 -
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does this apply to undocking from a station and aligning to jump to a gate and still being unable to be locked and scrammed? |
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.10.09 06:34:06 -
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Silver Charms wrote:does this apply to undocking from a station and aligning to jump to a gate and still being unable to be locked and scrammed?
Nothing has changed game, balance or mechanics wise. |
Soltys
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Posted - 2015.10.09 09:36:55 -
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That's not true according to CCP_Masterplan (here). Lock updates are asynchronous, so the person locking can (in theory) get the lock and notification in the same tick and then almost immediately issue commands from pre-activated modules (which will be acted upon receiving during the tick but with notification following on the next tick). |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Black Hydra Consortium.
2039
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Posted - 2015.10.09 09:52:42 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i was told anything above 3400 scan res is pointless and has no extra benefit Effectively true. At that scan res you have a one second lock on a pod.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
699
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Posted - 2015.10.10 02:49:13 -
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It can be a crapshoot, though it kind of averages out in larger scale gang fights.
10 tacklers try to catch 20 insta-ceptors. You might get 3-4 on each gate if you're lucky.
Sacrifice a phoenix or a dozen carebears to the server gods for better fortune...
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1669
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Posted - 2015.10.10 03:42:51 -
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I can vouch for smartbombing the gate as working. I was warping freely and then after a gate jump...I'm decloaked, in pod...then corpse. I wasn't paying super close attention but I don't think it would have mattered, I spammed the hell out of the warp button and still got smoked.
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Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2015.10.10 03:48:31 -
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is normal |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.10.10 14:22:18 -
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Zifrian wrote:I can vouch for smartbombing the gate as working. I was warping freely and then after a gate jump...I'm decloaked, in pod...then corpse. I wasn't paying super close attention but I don't think it would have mattered, I spammed the hell out of the warp button and still got smoked.
Nothing can force a gate decloak other than you starting to move or the 60 seconds running out. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.10.11 03:07:49 -
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Matrea D wrote:This has been a thing for quite some time. Server ticks are every second, so any ship with less than 2 seconds align time is practically impossible to lock. Rough breakdown: 1. Ship you want to pew sends warp command and begins aligning. 2. On the next server tick, you see the pewable ship show up on grid. 3. You begin lock. 4. On the next server tick, ship will be locked. 5. Ship had 1.5 sec align time so the lock never made it. 6. Use smartbombs. https://www.themittani.com/features/understanding-eve-online-server-tick
You just copied that cool nerdy graph guy. His was way cooler. He wins the Nobel (Bumble) Cool Prize this year, not you, Johnny-come-lately
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