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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1210
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Posted - 2015.10.30 03:28:21 -
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You know what, that's actually probably the most tolerable and accurate description I've heard an outsider give in a long time. I like you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2135
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:10:05 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: The thing is, removing free-will entirely is a bit much for even the Amarr Empire and the chips used on the 'True Citizen' is quite open for abuse
Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war, turning the concept of slavery into actually positive socio-religious phenomenon, while Sansha Nation enslaves everyone discriminatively. But no, this minmatar decided to glister with his ignorance and intolerance once again, invoking the Empire into the discussion by comparing it to Sansha Nation.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
811
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:14:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: The thing is, removing free-will entirely is a bit much for even the Amarr Empire and the chips used on the 'True Citizen' is quite open for abuse
Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war, turning the concept of slavery into actually positive socio-religious phenomenon, while Sansha Nation enslaves everyone discriminatively. But no, this minmatar decided to glister with his ignorance and intolerance once again, invoking the Empire into the discussion by comparing it to Sansha Nation.
You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone, typically an entire ethnicity, they conquer prior to running into a roadblock that was the Gallente Federation.
Keep going with your black-and-white worldview. It will be fun to tear that apart once again.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Tyrel Toov
Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance
647
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:44:16 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war
And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2135
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:47:34 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone
Ignorance overload, communications failure. Who let the clowns out?
That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense.
I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2135
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Posted - 2015.10.30 05:50:41 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war
And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local. Oh, sweet Maker. Another one.
Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing?
If not, please kindly shut up and don't intervene when you aren't asked. Okay, thanks and bye.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Tyrel Toov
Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance
647
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Posted - 2015.10.30 06:13:04 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war
And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local. Oh, sweet Maker. Another one. Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing? If not, please kindly shut up and don't intervene when you aren't asked. Okay, thanks and bye. Why would I limit my memory of my enemy to what has happened in just the last 7 years. Unlike you, I can retain information longer than that. And you don't get references, you never provide any yourself. I'm not here to do the research for you. I'm going to bed.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
811
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Posted - 2015.10.30 06:37:09 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone
Ignorance overload, communications failure. Who let the clowns out? That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense. I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unchallenged_Era_of_the_Amarr_Empire
Read the whole damned thing and know your history. You sound like an uneducated buffoon who only knew how to hold a gun, a complete anti-thesis of your typical Caldari (well-educated and knows how to shoot at you five ways to Sunday).
Then you come back and tell me if the Ni-Kunni (who are now free citizens of the Amarr Empire) and the Minmatar are races of outlaws.
The only reason why you *aren't* a slave was because the Amarr Empire had to get through the Gallente Federation to get at the State. As it turned out, the Gallente Federation was in fact of equal military strength with the Amarr Empire and the Empire decided against conquest due to projected loss (a pragmatic move) from the attempt.
Yes, the Federation you hated so much was the very reason why you are not working an Imperial mine with a shock collar around your neck. They did so by being the almost impregnable wall standing between the State and generations of slavery. You can at least give them credit for that one.
And one final point, the universe did not exist for seven years. The Empires had existed for at least a thousand years each. Go through all of that then you can start talking history.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
811
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:24:08 -
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It has also occurred to me that Diana Kim has quoted me out of context. Again.
So here goes, the full quotation, plus the full sentence that Diana Kim can't seem to read, with the most important bit she can't seem to notice:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone, typically an entire ethnicity, they conquer prior to running into a roadblock that was the Gallente Federation.
Keep going with your black-and-white worldview. It will be fun to tear that apart once again.
So Kim, tell me, was the State ever conquered by the Amarr Empire? Because you forgot the bit that the Amarr Empire enslave those they conquered.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1210
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Posted - 2015.10.30 23:22:31 -
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Kim these days doesn't even seem to try to hide the fact that she's playing you all for a fool. |
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1538
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Posted - 2015.10.31 01:05:29 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Kim these days doesn't even seem to try to hide the fact that she's playing you all for a fool. Kimmy has mastered the craft of trolling these fourms..... she could post a blank reply and get a bite...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2141
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Posted - 2015.10.31 10:10:15 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone
Ignorance overload, communications failure. Who let the clowns out? That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense. I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unchallenged_Era_of_the_Amarr_Empire Read the whole damned thing and know your history. You sound like an uneducated buffoon who only knew how to hold a gun, a complete anti-thesis of your typical Caldari (well-educated and knows how to shoot at you five ways to Sunday). If anyone here is sounding like an uneducated buffoon, it is you, tribal. The conversation was in the present tense about current Amarr slave policies, and even you have answered in the present tense. And now as I have challenged your groundless words, you are trying to "prove" them by linking facts from ancient history?...
I can say only two things about the situation you have just put yourself it: Get the hell out of here, Egivand, and keep silence when adults talk.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1538
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Posted - 2015.10.31 20:16:41 -
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Diana Kim wrote:keep silence when adults talk. so, you're not going to post anymore?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2141
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Posted - 2015.10.31 20:36:44 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:keep silence when adults talk. so, you're not going to post anymore? Osyn. I am speechless. Are you really that dumb?..
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1538
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Posted - 2015.10.31 20:43:39 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:keep silence when adults talk. so, you're not going to post anymore? Osyn. I am speechless. Are you really that dumb?.. Obviously not speechless enough. And, no, I'm not. But do believe it was worth the shot, no matter how long.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2141
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Posted - 2015.10.31 22:28:17 -
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Taking into account your common usage of lies in your posts, Osyn, I'd rather not believe your answer.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1539
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Posted - 2015.11.01 02:05:08 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Taking into account your common usage of lies in your posts, Osyn, I'd rather not believe your answer. Not lies. Biased observations.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2015.11.02 03:17:44 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone
Ignorance overload, communications failure. Who let the clowns out? That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense. I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unchallenged_Era_of_the_Amarr_Empire Read the whole damned thing and know your history. You sound like an uneducated buffoon who only knew how to hold a gun, a complete anti-thesis of your typical Caldari (well-educated and knows how to shoot at you five ways to Sunday). If anyone here is sounding like an uneducated buffoon, it is you, tribal. The conversation was in the present tense about current Amarr slave policies, and even you have answered in the present tense. And now as I have challenged your groundless words, you are trying to "prove" them by linking facts from ancient history?... I can say only two things about the situation you have just put yourself it: Get the hell out of here, Egivand, and keep silence when adults talk.
Why yes, the current conflict between the State and the Federation has roots from a previous conflict while the current conflict between the Republic and the Empire doesn't.
The State can get all angry with the Federation because the Federation tried to assimilate the State and kicked out the State from Caldari Prime when they refused while the Republic cannot get angry with the Empire because previously the Empire had enslaved almost all its citizens and dismantled the previous Minmatar Empire.
Congratulations, you have once again proven yourself the master of hypocrisy.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2151
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Posted - 2015.11.02 08:53:29 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Why yes, the current conflict between the State and the Federation has roots from a previous conflict while the current conflict between the Republic and the Empire doesn't.
The State can get all angry with the Federation because the Federation tried to assimilate the State and kicked out the State from Caldari Prime when they refused while the Republic cannot get angry with the Empire because previously the Empire had enslaved almost all its citizens and dismantled the previous Minmatar Empire.
Congratulations, you have once again proven yourself the master of hypocrisy.
Look, you, tribal, both had roots in the past, yet I was telling about not the past but CURRENT conflicts. And current conflict between State and Federation was caused by the Federation, just like one from 200 years ago.
In Amarr-Minmatar scenario conflict from history was initiated by the Empire, but current conflict was started by Minmatars.
So, could you please stop shining your ignorance and trying to blame me ridiculously in hypocrisy based on something I never said but was resided in your little tribal brain, eh? You'll do way greater service to yourself and I will save time to answer to such stupid rants of yours.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1556
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Posted - 2015.11.02 10:12:52 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing?
Seven years?
Maybe your war is that new. For some, the war's been going on for a thousand years. And Starkman Prime, among others, was - if not glassed - subjected to a brutal regime of extermination against its populace.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1557
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Posted - 2015.11.02 10:19:53 -
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Diana Kim wrote:In Amarr-Minmatar scenario conflict from history was initiated by the Empire, but current conflict was started by Minmatars.
Only if you take the view that they are two separate conflicts. For many in the Tribes, they are one millennia-long war that has been waged against our people, and continues to be waged against them. For them, it will not be ended so long as a single Matari is enslaved, and they do not recognize the authority of any government to claim an end to that war unless it is the one that our people had when we were attacked.
And you have no standing within the Tribes to say that they are wrong. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2151
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Posted - 2015.11.02 10:21:41 -
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Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing? Seven years? Maybe your war is that new. For some, the war's been going on for a thousand years. And Starkman Prime, among others, was - if not glassed - subjected to a brutal regime of extermination against its populace. I didn't know you are a tribal as well. But whatever, it isn't important much. What is important is your ignorance that the war between Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic has began seven years ago just like ours.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1557
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Posted - 2015.11.02 10:39:34 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I didn't know you are a tribal as well. But whatever, it isn't important much. What is important is your ignorance that the war between Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic has began seven years ago just like ours.
A war between political entities. As meaningless as your little tiff with the Federation - at least, unless your defense of that Fed aggrandizer in your other thread is an indicator of your true sympathies. What I'm speaking of is the war between peoples - the Amarr and the Matari, our cultures, our ways of living, our identities as ourselves. An existential war, not merely the political posturing you seem to think actually has meaning. The State's endless bickering against the Federation is ultimately no different than MOA's foreverwar against the Imperium. Meaningless. Empty. A footnote in the annals of history, nothing more. |
Skyweir Kinnison
King's Irregular Lancers
114
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Posted - 2015.11.02 10:54:41 -
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Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I didn't know you are a tribal as well. But whatever, it isn't important much. What is important is your ignorance that the war between Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic has began seven years ago just like ours. A war between political entities. As meaningless as your little tiff with the Federation - at least, unless your defense of that Fed aggrandizer in your other thread is an indicator of your true sympathies. What I'm speaking of is the war between peoples - the Amarr and the Matari, our cultures, our ways of living, our identities as ourselves. An existential war, not merely the political posturing you seem to think actually has meaning. The State's endless bickering against the Federation is ultimately no different than MOA's foreverwar against the Imperium. Meaningless. Empty. A footnote in the annals of history, nothing more.
You are right of course, but ultimately, everything less than a footnote, for even history will disappear into the aether at some point. At the personal level, however - which is all we can experience, whatever our lifespan may be in measured time - these things can matter very deeply indeed.
All actions are political. When we act we create meaning; if not for history, then for our own story.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2160
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:33:16 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote: You are right of course, but ultimately, everything less than a footnote, for even history will disappear into the aether at some point. At the personal level, however - which is all we can experience, whatever our lifespan may be in measured time - these things can matter very deeply indeed.
All actions are political. When we act we create meaning; if not for history, then for our own story.
Politics often are just ways to hide underlying motives. And that's why I am rather proud being in the State. When we go for conflict, we openly say: we need these resources and we are going to take them. This planet is our homeworld and we will have it back. These colonies are ours and we will defend them. These colonists are ours too and we won't let you kill them. We may discuss how good meritocracy is and how our way of life, how our management is superior to gallente. But in the war we just fight for our assets and our peoples.
Both Federation with State and Empire with Republic conflicts go down to this. The State wants our homeworld back. The Federation wants our Black Rise. The Republic wants to steal people from the Empire. The Amarr... well, I think only they keep themselves at defensive stance yet. Well, maybe except of Lord Kador (I hope he will win the trials...), who wanted a piece of Federation... Politics is used to keep mostly our own soldiers well motivated to show that we are right, pointing on faults on enemies, represented through the prism of world view of nation ideals.
For example such specific nation ideal could be a chaos (or as they call it - freedom, which is basically same word, at least in our language). For us and Amarr it is unpleasant and undesirable condition, while gallentes and minmatar blindly adore it, believeing it will bring them, I don't know... happiness or good living.
So, when minmatar comes to steal Amarr citizens and scream: "For Chaos!" Other minmatars raise their fists in the air and scream: "HOORAAAY!"
And Caldari would think: "What a moron..."
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Tyrel Toov
Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance
647
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:36:24 -
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Kim would love to chaos the hell out of those POW'S in black rise, I bet....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
718
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:38:57 -
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There is so many things wrong with that statement its kinda' funny.
Edit: Kim's statement not Tyrels. |
Tyrel Toov
Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance
647
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:45:44 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:There is so many things wrong with that statement its kinda' funny.
Edit: Kim's statement not Tyrels. Wait, it's not funny, or there's nothing wrong with it?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2160
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:54:11 -
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Well, there are too many things wrong about Tyrel and his replies... Probably just a display of his minmatarness.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
718
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:54:50 -
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Half of Kim's response there was soo wrong I was laughing. And I hope those prisoners don't get the freedom they deserve. Freedom is so horrible after all so they should go up against a wall. Just like our kin tyrel, their "chaos" is soo unimportant and wrong. Ha this is so stupid its funny! |
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