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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.11 04:00:23 -
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I am trying to get information on POS as I heard that they were around 200m ISK in High-Sec.
However, after searching for this for over 2 weeks, I cannot get accurate info and most of it is lacking some important parts.
After searching for "pos for sale" in the forum search engine I got:
"House of Blue Light" POS for sale 2 quiet jumps from Jita 2015-08-26 17:02:39 UTC
I am looking for a small POS with the lowest costs. I do not need to test a medium POS or the larger ones yet.
I heard that POS can be installed in High-sec in 0.5 to 0.7.
Wanted : Hi-Sec Moons 4 SaleSubscribe 2013-11-12 15:47:54 UTC |
Also, which forum would be best in?
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**SOLD** 2013-02-01 04:37:53 UTC | which is older about a Sold POS possibly.
I don't have any need for it yet except verifying the costs and what the structures can do... I plan to start manufacturing and wonder if that would work in High-Sec. However, I have no blue print or not any significant numbers of blue prints yet.
The main benefit for me would be the ability to produce items without being marked from the EVE Online market. In other words, the items would be harder to track.
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Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
182
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Posted - 2015.10.11 08:54:10 -
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It is unusual to purchase a POS - generally, you build one to meet your requirements.
A small tower currently sells in the 75 million isk range. A selection of labs and assembly arrays will quickly push that to 200 mil.
There are thousands of empty moons in highsec - you'll need to search for them using Dscan - as far as I know, there is no list. Generally, the farther you are from a trade hub, the quieter the system will be.
Your reasoning about items being harder to track is not correct. Everything built in a POS impacts the system indexes. The main benefit is a substantial reduction in time required to research and manufacture. This is offset by the cost of fuel and charters that you don't pay when building in a station.
POS is a corporate asset - you can't own a "personal" POS. You will need to join or create a player corporation.
POS exposes you to the risk of a war declaration and a small POS is fairly easy to destroy. This needs to be built into your business plan.
I recommend establishing your business in a station - learn the markets. Consider a POS once you have the volume to fully justify the investment - odds are the new structures will be available by then!
An article from eve university: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/POS_and_YOU Edit: link to a POS planner: http://eve.1019.net/pos/ |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1087
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Posted - 2015.10.11 09:37:32 -
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And to add to what he suggested, search here for prices.
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.10.11 09:42:08 -
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great site, but it has some bugs that need fixing... they renamed some of the POS modules a while back and it didn't get updated. (stuff like the assembly arrays, research bays, etc)
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
239
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Posted - 2015.10.11 11:59:17 -
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EVE Online is moving away from POS, onward and upward to Citadels.
I've no idea when that will happen but it will mean POS being deleted, so you may want to read some Citadel blogs by the devs.
I have a spare one here you can have...
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/citadels-sieges-and-you/
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Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox.
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.12 02:13:07 -
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Do Little wrote:Your reasoning about items being harder to track is not correct. Everything built in a POS impacts the system indexes. The main benefit is a substantial reduction in time required to research and manufacture. This is offset by the cost of fuel and charters that you don't pay when building in a station.
No, I didn't mean to be incorrect, I just meant it in the sense that I would not buy the items produced from manufacturing from the market. If I were to buy the same items to be produced from the market instead of producing them, they would show up with my purchaser's name, and would give a track to me. It is then possible for trader to lead mercenaries to me to destroy me or my assets (or even opinion for that matter).
How does effective (or items) built in a POS impact the system indexes? and 2: What do you mean or imply by system indexes?
Additionally, The benefit of substantial time reduction or other time reduction required to research may not apply to me since I have never researched yet. I would most likely have to buy BPC or find them (LP) or loot them.
I would accept the changes to some of the transport procedure and courier contracts (although collateral sometime make for a nice 20% of the work value). (For some reason, I don't like to make 20% from others loses. It kind of put a dent in their motivation to courier further contracts for me or my associates.)
I do have one corp and will make another one or purchase it with standings.
I am aware of Wardecs in High-sec and I understand that it would imply the loss of 75m to 200m. I think it's worth the try considering I would then get the experience of running structure. I'm not in Wardec at this time. |
Snucklefruts
Dirty Stinky Pirates
30
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Posted - 2015.10.12 03:46:19 -
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Very few groups in EVE dedicate themselves to hunting POS owners. As one who does from time to time it is ever unlikely that you will see a war dec unless your tower runs out of fuel.
If you keep your jobs short (< 2 Days) you can minimize your loss by running a skeleton tower with little more than industry modules. If the timing is right, everything can be removed before the tower is reinforced.
Or you run a large tower with a full array of defenses and that will deter all but the most dedicated POS killers. Large tower setups can be death stars (all DPS with points/webs), **** stars (ECM/DAMPS), and resist stars (nothing but resistance modules), the last is probably my most hated.
Free moons are everywhere and many who hold moons with offline small towers are unlikely to defend them so taking a moon in a system you want is trivial with a few oracles.
Unless moving billions daily I doubt you will move the industry index unless it is very low to begin with.
Lastly if you have any solid intelligence on the location of the Golden Bar of Soap we are more than happy to investigate someones strontium bay free of charge.
Good Luck |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.12 03:58:31 -
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ah.
This is only for a small POS.
I am not sure if it will be a tower or other structures yet.
I am just reading the list of Structrure for sale now in the Market window.
Also, how does one deliver or buy a structure such as a tower from the market?
Are some bigger than a station?
Like, if the Capital ships can't be docked at stations, they have to be traded in space otherwise than purchased at station.
It seems they are under the Structure section > Starbase Structures subsection.
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1437
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Posted - 2015.10.12 04:00:39 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:Do Little wrote:Your reasoning about items being harder to track is not correct. Everything built in a POS impacts the system indexes. The main benefit is a substantial reduction in time required to research and manufacture. This is offset by the cost of fuel and charters that you don't pay when building in a station.
No, I didn't mean to be incorrect, I just meant it in the sense that I would not buy the items produced from manufacturing from the market. If I were to buy the same items to be produced from the market instead of producing them, they would show up with my purchaser's name, and would give a track to me. It is then possible for trader to lead mercenaries to me to destroy me or my assets (or even opinion for that matter). How does effective (or items) built in a POS impact the system indexes? and 2: What do you mean or imply by system indexes? Additionally, The benefit of substantial time reduction or other time reduction required to research may not apply to me since I have never researched yet. I would most likely have to buy BPC or find them (LP) or loot them. I would accept the changes to some of the transport procedure and courier contracts (although collateral sometime make for a nice 20% of the work value). (For some reason, I don't like to make 20% from others loses. It kind of put a dent in their motivation to courier further contracts for me or my associates.) I do have one corp and will make another one or purchase it with standings. I am aware of Wardecs in High-sec and I understand that it would imply the loss of 75m to 200m. I think it's worth the try considering I would then get the experience of running structure. I'm not in Wardec at this time. Thanks for the links, I am saving them and will check them out this week... Also, my main concerns about profit are more based on capital since I am forced to run an asset based system. As long as I have the capital available, it can be worthwhile to test from my end. It depends. The tables or rather conditions are quite different from most if not all from my end. Edit:Also, and I almost forgot, I did not look for Moon Harvesting at this time. The only reason I mentioned it above is because it was returned in the EVE Online search engine. However, I would check for Moon Harvesting if I could. I thought it was only possible in null-sec or perhaps low-sec.
As a guy who kills towers with my friend Snucklefruts there, I can tell you that this simply isn't something that happens. There are limitless POS to shoot at so unless you did something to someone specific to really really **** them off no one is going to hunt you just because you bought a tower. And even if they did hunt you, it would not be done by watching market transactions.
The guys selling towers literally give zero fornications who they sell too.
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.12 04:03:45 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:The guys selling towers literally give zero ... who they sell too. The tower would be listed as sold even if I bought it with another pilot and changed it hand.
However, if I am to buy BPC for Prop Mods and manufacture them, the only trace would be the BPC, not the modules. It would affect some of my loses and market trading patterns, given. |
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.10.12 10:01:06 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:I am trying to get information on POS as I heard that they were around 200m ISK in High-Sec. However, after searching for this for over 2 weeks, I cannot get accurate info and most of it is lacking some important parts. After searching for " pos for sale" in the forum search engine I got: "House of Blue Light" POS for sale 2 quiet jumps from Jita2015-08-26 17:02:39 UTC I am looking for a small POS with the lowest costs. I do not need to test a medium POS or the larger ones yet. I heard that POS can be installed in High-sec in 0.5 to 0.7. Wanted : Hi-Sec Moons 4 SaleSubscribe2013-11-12 15:47:54 UTC | Also, which forum would be best in? + **SOLD** 2013-02-01 04:37:53 UTC | which is older about a Sold POS possibly. I don't have any need for it yet except verifying the costs and what the structures can do... I plan to start manufacturing and wonder if that would work in High-Sec. However, I have no blue print or not any significant numbers of blue prints yet. The main benefit for me would be the ability to produce items without being marked from the EVE Online market. In other words, the items would be harder to track.
Wrong place to post. try market place WTS.
Max |
Ginger Longrun
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.10.12 16:41:32 -
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This dude is trolling hard, the OP I mean. Or extremly ignorant to the game. Either case I dislike it |
Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1437
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:45:58 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:The guys selling towers literally give zero ... who they sell too. The tower would be listed as sold even if I bought it with another pilot and changed it hand. However, if I am to buy BPC for Prop Mods and manufacture them, the only trace would be the BPC, not the modules. It would affect some of my loses and market trading patterns, given.
Again, unless someone has a serious hate on for you, NO ONE CARES IF YOU BUY A SMALL TOWER.
The kind of targeting you're talking about only happens with officer loot, limited edition ships, Tech 2 BPOS (which are pretty worthless these days) and Super Capitals.
Only one group in Eve kills towers for lulz. Anyone else has a particular agenda if they attack and I can assure you if anyone does attack the market transaction of you buying the tower will have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Normaly tinfoil hattery is appropriate in Eve but you've dialed it right up to 11 then broken off the nob.
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5447
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:44:40 -
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Since Crius, few bother with POS in hisec. There are a LOT of empty moons now.
POS Bonuses: * No 10% NPC job tax. * Faster than stations. * Less material than stations, * Compression Array * Higher reprocessing yield for ore and ice (not scrap).
POS Penalties: * Fuel cost * Assets in space (24 hour wardec warning). * Poor Security - best for one-person alt corps (roles and access rights are quite coarse). * Can't as easily relocate to more favourable system with lower indices.
Finding vacant moons [Note that there is no longer a standing requirement to anchor, but one still needs at least 1of the correct charter in your cargohold.] |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
417
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:53:24 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:
I heard that POS can be installed in High-sec in 0.5 to 0.7.
OP, your info about sec status is wrong. I have a POS in a 0.9-system, so you can easily place a POS in 0.8 and 0.9 systems, too.
Only a small handfull of 1.0-systems are excluded. I think the restriction to 0.7 and lower was lifted together with the standing-restriction. Now you only need money and an empty moon. |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.14 04:34:52 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Gadolf Agalder wrote:
I heard that POS can be installed in High-sec in 0.5 to 0.7.
OP, your info about sec status is wrong. I have a POS in a 0.9-system, so you can easily place a POS in 0.8 and 0.9 systems, too. Only a small handfull of 1.0-systems are excluded. I think the restriction to 0.7 and lower was lifted together with the standing-restriction. Now you only need money and an empty moon. You mean that you can now do moon mining in 0.9 and some 1.0? I didn't know that.
Also, I didn't plan to do moon mining to start with.
I only want to anchor one POS and try to remove it when I concluded my tests.
Would it work if I bought a control tower from one of the 4 Empire Factions? |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.14 04:36:47 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Gadolf Agalder wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:The guys selling towers literally give zero ... who they sell too. The tower would be listed as sold even if I bought it with another pilot and changed it hand. However, if I am to buy BPC for Prop Mods and manufacture them, the only trace would be the BPC, not the modules. It would affect some of my loses and market trading patterns, given. Again, unless someone has a serious hate on for you, NO ONE CARES IF YOU BUY A SMALL TOWER. The kind of targeting you're talking about only happens with officer loot, limited edition ships, Tech 2 BPOS (which are pretty worthless these days) and Super Capitals. Only one group in Eve kills towers for lulz. Anyone else has a particular agenda if they attack and I can assure you if anyone does attack the market transaction of you buying the tower will have absolutely nothing to do with it. Normaly tinfoil hattery is appropriate in Eve but you've dialed it right up to 11 then broken off the nob. lol, I get blowed up all the time no matter what. I know why too.
Edit: I'm targeted , attacked , and those activity are covered up with worst propaganda than hate for obvious financial gain and to maintain those goals. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5448
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Posted - 2015.10.14 05:17:00 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:You mean that you can now do moon mining in 0.9 and some 1.0? I didn't know that. You cannot do moon mining in hisec.
Moon Harvesting Array can only be anchored in below 0.4
However, you can anchor a tower nearly everywhere in hisec, with a few restrictions (rookie systems, major trade hubs). |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:48:20 -
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In the sense of anchoring near a moon since no one can mine it?
Is the moon required to Anchor the POS or Control Tower or other Tower name?
I remember Anchoring some Large Container which we used to store asteroid mining products in.
I forgot the exact name , but it had a function to add a password to access the device.
(btw, I just got a new job, so I may be able to get back in game before a couple of weeks though I wouldn't count on it too much... It seems I'll be paying debt for perhaps longer.) |
Deheler
Muggers Inc.
22
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:41:07 -
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OP, please read this.
And as a Jita trader I can assure you that the names and affiliations of the characters that buy my goods are entirely irrelevant to me. |
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:59:57 -
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Deheler wrote:OP, please read this. And as a Jita trader I can assure you that the names and affiliations of the characters that buy my goods are entirely irrelevant to me. 1. A starbase, or POS (player-owned starbase), is a collection of semi-permanent structures that can be anchored to a moon.
2. As of Crius expansion starbases can be deployed in any system with only several specific exceptions (eg. Jita system).
3. At most one starbase may be anchored to any moon at a time. |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
707
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Posted - 2015.10.19 06:09:15 -
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I'd like one too.
THese dudes say I can't have one in our space for reasons but if someone else wants to come secretely build one I'll then swoop in and save the day and say I managed to convince you to sell it to me for the betterment of all parties involved.
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
36
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Posted - 2015.10.19 10:03:19 -
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Isn't the POS as we know it going away with the Winter expansion? Kind of makes the point of this post moot. |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.10.19 22:02:31 -
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Mister Holder wrote:Isn't the POS as we know it going away with the Winter expansion? Kind of makes the point of this post moot. At least I would have had the time to test it for at least 0.29 second (singular, not necessarily a cosmic singularity). |
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