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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:19:53 -
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Quote:A common scam in EVE relies on convincing a mark that upon donating a sum of ISK to the scammer, twice as much or more ISK will be returned to the victim. This is often referred to as the ISK doubling scam.
In order to lend added legitimacy/authenticity to the scam, the scammer links to a webpage containing partially fabricated wallet data supposedly pulled from the API. The wallet logs will show what appear to be successful ISK doubling transactions from the past. In some cases, the scammer will go even further by fabricating a transaction to the victim, implying that the ISK was sent but not properly delivered due to a bug in the EVE client.
Many victims of this scam end up contacting CCP customer support under the belief that either the EVE client or the EVE API is broken. The implication that a bug caused the ISK transfer to fail is a point of confusion which we will no longer tolerate. In light of this, all variations of this scam which reference fabricated API data are from today on considered illegitimate.
Do not perform scams which rely on fabricated API data from now on.
Keep in mind that only our stance towards this particular scam has changed, no other scams are being outlawed. This scam joins a short list of illegitimate scams:
Scams involving Character Transfers Scams involving exploits Scams involving PLEX for GOOD campaigns Source |
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:21:28 -
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I will double anyones isk they send me. I am a verified-trusted-3rd-party-isk-doubler |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
248
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:27:48 -
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About time, simply for the fact it will kill 1% of the spam in Jita.
Been around since the beginning.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12636
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:30:41 -
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What, you mean that you can't give isk to some total stranger and expect twice that amount in return for absolutely no reason? WTF is this, that means you can't trust no one nowadays! |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1053
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:39:14 -
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You can still offer to double isk, it just means that you can't claim that it's API verified. Because the ones claiming to have API verification generate too much workload for GMs.
just like how free-form contracts were removed from the game, because the workload they made for GMs outweighed their usefulness to the players who weren't using them for scams.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12418
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:49:55 -
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Sounds fair imo.
Better the Devil you know.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
383
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Posted - 2015.10.12 19:53:31 -
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Question:
What if I I have a load of my own alts send isk to my isk doubler, have my double double some of their isk (presumably because thoese were the ones that answered correctly) and use that real data? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
14942
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:12:22 -
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Blame the people that took it further and claimed CCP is buggy instead of just harvest the tears, that's the reason it happened, not the clever way of using the api.
But good for the spam reduction. Keep going that way CCP!
/c
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
153
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:36:45 -
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Sounds pretty reasonable.
Could not have been fun for the GMs or good for CCP in general if users thought that the game itself was broken and at fault for losing their isk, rather than the fact that they were just scammed. |
Ginger Yume
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
8
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:52:38 -
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ISK doublers respond to their victims? Mine never did... |
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Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
58436
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:53:26 -
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Chribba wrote:Blame the people that took it further and claimed CCP is buggy instead of just harvest the tears, that's the reason it happened, not the clever way of using the api.
But good for the spam reduction. Keep going that way CCP!
/c Indeed.
Just greedy scammers. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
142
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:53:39 -
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Jep, seems fair.
Obviously, people just need to wise up and understand that no one will just double your ISK out of generosity. But I can see, how CCP support probably was tired of trying to explain that the game is not buggy, but instead the victim was just a tad bit too naive and greedy for their own good. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1889
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:10:45 -
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great now I'm just going to have to post some phony screenshots to get the suckers I mean I'd never! although now I'm tempted to try it if there are actually that many idiots... personally I think this is stupid.
we need to have a talk on believing external data at face value... next thing we are going to be banning propaganda videos
edit: after a more careful read through you can do it, you just have to tell them they are a sucker and not say the api messed up. So legit double a few people and/or alts and/or corp mate alts and then when someone sends a big amount. rinse/repeat till that transaction falls outside the scope of your website and you are back in business
still think it's stupid
@ChainsawPlankto
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8776
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Posted - 2015.10.13 00:34:24 -
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Maybe CCP should focus on fixing their buggy game instead of banning behaviour which highlights it
:sarcastic rolleyes:
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Amanda Rekenwhith
Bureau of CODE Enforcement CODE.
31
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:13:23 -
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By reading this one can still use a fake website and CLAIM API verification as long as it isn't actually connected to an API. Maybe update it by hand or something.
Hell, they can now claim that since API verified website scams are outlawed, they MUST be legit.
Scammers will adapt. Fools and their ISK will still be parted.
For dessert we're offering humble pie. -áWould you like some after you're done eating crow?
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:56:50 -
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Amanda Rekenwhith wrote:Scammers will adapt. Fools and their ISK will still be parted. possibly the most relevant thing i've read on the topic to date. kudos.
This doesn't ban scamming, it doesn't put any nerfs on your emergent gameplay. The wonderous and glorious scams, eg: the ones actually worth bragging about, are still perfectly fine and dandy. Just script kiddies with access to one of the numerous 'fake API generator' services out there can no longer simply spam up Jita local in the hopes of finding a mark.
What it does is, hopefully, reduce workload for CCP generated by such scams.
Fools, and their ISK, are still out there and you can still separate A from B in far more ways in EVE than many other game worlds will tolerate.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
154
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Posted - 2015.10.13 02:09:39 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Amanda Rekenwhith wrote:Scammers will adapt. Fools and their ISK will still be parted. possibly the most relevant thing i've read on the topic to date. kudos. This doesn't ban scamming, it doesn't put any nerfs on your emergent gameplay. The wonderous and glorious scams, eg: the ones actually worth bragging about, are still perfectly fine and dandy. Just script kiddies with access to one of the numerous 'fake API generator' services out there can no longer simply spam up Jita local in the hopes of finding a mark. What it does is, hopefully, reduce workload for CCP generated by such scams. Fools, and their ISK, are still out there and you can still separate A from B in far more ways in EVE than many other game worlds will tolerate.
Yeah this. Scams are fine, just don't rely on making the game look broken when it isn't to make it work. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3209
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Posted - 2015.10.13 02:31:59 -
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Simple work around is to not fabricate the doubling but to actually double it for an alt or two. Should be easy enough still.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
115
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Posted - 2015.10.13 02:45:24 -
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If this reduces the wait time for " legitimate" problem tickets to be resolved, I'm all for it
Reducing spam in local is a nice bonus.
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To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
342
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:25:20 -
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"The implication that a bug caused the ISK transfer to fail is a point of confusion which we will no longer tolerate...."
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we aid those who deceive. This has to be the ultimate absurdity - considering a scam "illegitimate". This: "The implication that a bug caused the ISK transfer to fail...." said implication is never in the scam spam, which means the scam is legitimate as long as when accused of not paying the scammer makes no claim that a bug interfered with said untransferred transfer, according to CCP's own notice.
Which is the fly and which is the ointment? I'm sure that's not really what CCP meant to say, but it's probably very difficult to say exactly what needs to be said about this scam without dragging all the other scams into it as well. Isn't reality interesting? I guess even virtually we can only duck it for so long....
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40491
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:48:19 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Another nerf to content creation Not really. Certainly not any in game content anyway.
No need for fake shiny external websites anymore, but no in game content seems to be affected by this.
If it saves a GMs sanity and/or reduces the number of stupid tickets, then what's the problem?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:55:38 -
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i laughed hard when a scammer offered a PICTURE of his api-wallet, just before i blocked him...
false tickets are nerfed, great. this gives support more time for the real bugs.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2015.10.13 06:01:10 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:great now I'm just going to have to post some phony screenshots to get the suckers I mean I'd never! although now I'm tempted to try it if there are actually that many idiots... personally I think this is stupid. we need to have a talk on believing external data at face value... next thing we are going to be banning propaganda videos edit: after a more careful read through you can do it, you just have to tell them they are a sucker and not say the api messed up. So legit double a few people and/or alts and/or corp mate alts and then when someone sends a big amount. rinse/repeat till that transaction falls outside the scope of your website and you are back in business still think it's stupid nope you can't. isk doubling stating prove by api are now outlawed, fabricated or not.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1564
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Posted - 2015.10.13 06:04:28 -
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Not sure what the issue is it is all very clear
1. Scamming is fine as always - and buyer beware.
2. Producing a fake communication impersonating staff of CPP or a CSM is not fine and is bannable as always.
What has changed:
3. Faking an API (and implying its an official communication from CCP generated by the game) is now ALSO not fine.
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Beta Maoye
81
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Posted - 2015.10.13 10:05:57 -
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What goes around comes around. |
Spurty
Moosearmy Gentlemen's.Parlor
1578
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Posted - 2015.10.13 11:49:18 -
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The funny thing about your note is, just like those notes that were passed telling everybody this was a scam, no one is going to read it.
Let the heads roll I guess
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
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Commander Spurty
Moosearmy Gentlemen's.Parlor
1578
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Posted - 2015.10.13 11:49:18 -
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The funny thing about your note is, just like those notes that were passed telling everybody this was a scam, no one is going to read it.
Let the heads roll I guess
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Soltys
25
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:49:05 -
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I'm absolutely amazed, that there're so many people failing for those scams that CCP decided to take some action.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1684
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:09:57 -
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People who complain that ISK doubling is a scam just never found the right ethical ISK doubler. Seriously, I am a ganker and since CCP nerfed ganking to the point it is no longer lucrative I just let an ethical ISK doubler double my ISK and gank on.
If you want to get your ISK doubled as well, just ask and I will act as a trusted third party
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:28:57 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:since CCP nerfed ganking to the point it is no longer lucrative I just let an ethical ISK doubler double my ISK and gank on.
i see wheniaminspace's ban is still hurting you on the inside.
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