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Craefter
Royal Logistics Service
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Posted - 2006.12.26 20:04:00 -
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Sorry to start a flame here but I'm a bit disappointed in my fellow mission runners in Motsu.
I have tried a couple of times either asking for help with a mission (which got me 1 (one) answer telling me he was busy) and offering free help for other mission runners (no answers).
Whats up with you guys? Scared stiff that you'll be blown up when you gang with somebody? Better not take the risk meeting new friends and mission grind alone, alone, alone?
I believe if mission runners learn to trust eachother and unite, things will be a lot easier and more fun.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I have offended the people who do help people (I know of one who helped me once and I helped him) but the rest of you seem pretty boring. 
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.12.26 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Inspiration on 26/12/2006 20:26:00
Mission runners are driven by RISK vs REWARD, and doing missions together that you can do solo, reduces the ISK reward, hence alters the balance towards....no.
And meeting new frieds, can be done multiple ways, you don't need to do missions for that. Trade channels are a way, using a PVP alt to explore other regions is another. Joining a corp of your liking a third and problably most common.
Each one does play like he/she wants to, no need to call people stiffs for it. Stiffs are floating bodies in space ;)
Just my 2c
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ZiMZALAZiM
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Posted - 2006.12.26 20:33:00 -
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you may get more help here, on the forums - than you will find in game... people tend to reply here when they have time to browse...
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Malifica Aphrodisia
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Posted - 2006.12.26 20:39:00 -
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No .. but from experience I can tell you that "missions" will bore you to the point you'll wish you where a "stiff".
Gads .. why don't they sit down over a few beers and write a couple thousand...
Variety .. just a lil variety.. please
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Hakiro Murasame
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.26 21:37:00 -
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No, your mom is quite fun! 
Seriously though, I think mission runners generally are an avoidant bunch. Personally I never gang with strangers.  Bad experiences.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.26 21:44:00 -
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I don't know about everyone else but I don't read general very often while I'm out running missions. This may be why not a lot of people responded to you, they simply didn't see it.
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Lubricity
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.12.26 22:59:00 -
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Too easy to exploit the gang flag system, most mission runners are wary of accepting help or offering help to anyone asking for it.
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Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.26 23:09:00 -
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One of the posts up there is quite correct, for very good reason too, that mission runners ARE an avoidant bunch, but it doesnt really represent their social outwardness.. By and large, most people can solo run missions, and if they cant they pull in someone they *know* to help.
Also, pirates know all too well the simplicity and often 'fatness' of a mission runner target, particularly those who do nothing but mission run with faction/officer fits to speed up the process. That said, the frequency of randoms crying wolf or offering to help with missions means that a majority of requests or offers are traps. To name the two basic tactics:
1. Random ganging, on acceptance they warp to you, lock and unload. Not very effective though, only time i was naive enough to accept, the hostile caracal met my torps teamed with a taget painter 
2. Call for help on some difficult mission, i.e. Enemies abound 5/5, Enemies abound 1/5 (apparently, tho i dont find it hard :S), Worlds collide etc.. On warping to the gang once you join, you run into either a group of players (pretty obvious coz there's already several in the group, all belonging to the same corp), or a single player at his POS which opens up on you straight away. Little bit trickier if your naive or unprepared.
Anything else is just variations on that one, like inviting to an actual mish which has been cleared with a non-ganged party waiting on the other side of the DS gate etc etc.
So no, they're not boring stiffs, just incredibly cautious, and with good reason considering the amount of mish-hate these days.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.12.27 01:18:00 -
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Stiff? No.
Cautions? Damn right.
Considering what you hear on the forums and often local areas in Eve, then it is very hard to trust random people with help.
The only few that is worth trusting with missions, are some with very high security rating.
I'm a huge carebear myself, when it comes to my ship. So I don't really like the idea of ganging up with someone who can just plunder my ship, as it is pve fitted.
I have a few items worth money, so having to buy a new ship and refit it really takes off your time, when you can spend that one doing missions instead :-P
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Petrothian Tong
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Posted - 2006.12.27 05:56:00 -
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you have lofty and the copy cats to thank for that one =P
but yeah, not gonna gang someone on the off chance he doesnt pulls a lofty....
if you need help. ask for people in your corp. (player corp's advantage.)
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freddy bloggs
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Posted - 2006.12.27 08:34:00 -
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I personally like helping peaple but when im in my mission running ship i wont put it at risk to the griefers operating in high sec. unfortunetly trust goes out of the window to these guys and its peaple like you who suffer
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Dragon Lord
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Posted - 2006.12.27 09:15:00 -
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yeh good old lofty made sure most mission runners will never gang you if you ask or offer help. Lofty has quite literally made billions from this little exploit, well its allowed by ccp but for me its still an exploit. I for one dont gang with anyone not in my corp or alliance and im extreamly carful when im in my mission ship.
When you fly a ship that can run lvl4s fast it isnt a cheap ship and if you do get ganked it takes a long time to get a replacement. Also rewards are much less if you gang.
So in short griefers and reduced reward are the two reasons people dont help other players.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.12.27 10:19:00 -
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I know alot of people who run missions becous they can't be botherd with geting ganked, or gank somone else who can't put up a proper fight, that therefore don't find the random lowsec messing about amusing
Theres also a great bunch of people who simply can not hang around long enough for somone to come along
Missions are really good that way, you know that there will be somthing there to fight, you don't really have to look around, and you can leave them without anny consequences (in most cases atleast)
Whats intresting is that people who do missions aren't trying to force PVP'ers to do missions, but there is certenly alot of the oposit going on
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Dragon Lord
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Posted - 2006.12.27 10:26:00 -
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 Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Whats intresting is that people who do missions aren't trying to force PVP'ers to do missions, but there is certenly alot of the oposit going on
Strange, really
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.27 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dragon Lord
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Whats intresting is that people who do missions aren't trying to force PVP'ers to do missions, but there is certenly alot of the oposit going on
Strange, really
QFT
True, but unfortunately not strange
Originally by: Jiekon
From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
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Exlegion
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.27 13:56:00 -
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I used to help people out. But ever since Lofty and the likes started exploiting the situation, I don't anymore. So no, M-runners aren't stiff, they've adapted.
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Arrak1s
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Posted - 2006.12.27 16:29:00 -
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As a mission runner who's helped people out in the past I'd have to agree with a lot of what has already been said in this post.
Yes, for all the reasons said above and before people don't gang strangers. Most people in Motsu use a Raven with pretty expensive loot (officer etc) and losing a 400M SB due to the premise of helping someone out is a pain no one wants to go through.
I used to do lvl 4's with my corp, and then I realised that I'm sharing my ISK with frigate flying N00bs! :)
But if you ask in local what damage types you need to tank against for a particular mission, you'll get a response, same with the mission channel in game.
People share loadouts etc in local and laugh about it taking days to activate modules on sunday!
Truth is most people solo level 4's for a reason and it's not because they don't like other players, it's due to Reward v Risk as stated elswhere in this post.
Why would I risk a T2 CNR on a stranger, when for the most part advice is much more important than the actual help?
Get the right tank you can solo lvl 4's simple as that.
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.27 16:50:00 -
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Am I alone here?
For one I won't generally work with anyone I don't know, because of the lame players who think PvP = life and ruin things by shooting gangmembers during missions.
That being said, I love to do missions with others, even if they aren't my own corpmates (or at least I would again, if not for said gankers). This whole reward vs risk thinking needs to go out the nearest airlock. I enjoy simply fighting the NPC's with people. I love it even more when they give us a hard time and we have to work our way towards the goal.
Isk? Rewards? Hell I get that just by helping people out and vice-versa if I could do it for a few hours a day. Imagine how much you all could do my simply round-robbin the missins for everyone and doing it together? Wow teamwork...aye it's used in everything outside PvP too. Easy as.
Guess I was born ahead of my time, but you all sound like animals. Begging over scraps and pounding whomever you feel because it's fun to you. I for one am glad to not be in that kind of group.
So, no it's the PvP tossers and the dodgey selfishness of isk risk vs reward theories that make mission runners take head and go it alone. I for one would rather help and be helped any day of the week.
You want to change that? So do I. But until then, I have to play in this backwards thinking place with you all. It's you and the system that have to change. Try to quote that 'Don't blame the player blame the game' rubbish and I'll respond with, 'Without the players, there is no game'. It all works around each other.
Anywho, no we're not all stingy loners. It's just common sense is not so-common among the EVE player-base...or most gamers in general.
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Arrak1s
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dau Imperius
Am I alone here?
For one I won't generally work with anyone I don't know, because of the lame players who think PvP = life and ruin things by shooting gangmembers during missions.
That being said, I love to do missions with others, even if they aren't my own corpmates (or at least I would again, if not for said gankers). This whole reward vs risk thinking needs to go out the nearest airlock. I enjoy simply fighting the NPC's with people. I love it even more when they give us a hard time and we have to work our way towards the goal.
Isk? Rewards? Hell I get that just by helping people out and vice-versa if I could do it for a few hours a day. Imagine how much you all could do my simply round-robbin the missins for everyone and doing it together? Wow teamwork...aye it's used in everything outside PvP too. Easy as.
Guess I was born ahead of my time, but you all sound like animals. Begging over scraps and pounding whomever you feel because it's fun to you. I for one am glad to not be in that kind of group.
So, no it's the PvP tossers and the dodgey selfishness of isk risk vs reward theories that make mission runners take head and go it alone. I for one would rather help and be helped any day of the week.
You want to change that? So do I. But until then, I have to play in this backwards thinking place with you all. It's you and the system that have to change. Try to quote that 'Don't blame the player blame the game' rubbish and I'll respond with, 'Without the players, there is no game'. It all works around each other.
Anywho, no we're not all stingy loners. It's just common sense is not so-common among the EVE player-base...or most gamers in general.
Well, if CCP changed the game mechanics so group players in safe space are not ignored by concord when one attacks the other peoples attitudes would change.
If you have alot of investment in your mission rig, say to the point where it's a navy or faction ship and mods, with the current game mechanics you do have to make a risk assessment.
Why risk a HAC on what might be a gank squad looking for "l33t l3wt"? (did I spell that right?)
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Exlegion
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 27/12/2006 18:49:19
Originally by: Dau Imperius
Am I alone here?
For one I won't generally work with anyone I don't know, because of the lame players who think PvP = life and ruin things by shooting gangmembers during missions.
That being said, I love to do missions with others, even if they aren't my own corpmates (or at least I would again, if not for said gankers). This whole reward vs risk thinking needs to go out the nearest airlock. I enjoy simply fighting the NPC's with people. I love it even more when they give us a hard time and we have to work our way towards the goal.
Isk? Rewards? Hell I get that just by helping people out and vice-versa if I could do it for a few hours a day. Imagine how much you all could do my simply round-robbin the missins for everyone and doing it together? Wow teamwork...aye it's used in everything outside PvP too. Easy as.
Guess I was born ahead of my time, but you all sound like animals. Begging over scraps and pounding whomever you feel because it's fun to you. I for one am glad to not be in that kind of group.
So, no it's the PvP tossers and the dodgey selfishness of isk risk vs reward theories that make mission runners take head and go it alone. I for one would rather help and be helped any day of the week.
You want to change that? So do I. But until then, I have to play in this backwards thinking place with you all. It's you and the system that have to change. Try to quote that 'Don't blame the player blame the game' rubbish and I'll respond with, 'Without the players, there is no game'. It all works around each other.
Anywho, no we're not all stingy loners. It's just common sense is not so-common among the EVE player-base...or most gamers in general.
Ummm, ask any of the many good samaritan victims that lost their ultra expensive set-up ships to a gang-invite scam how they feel about helping people now. Better yet, why don't you go 'help' some strangers in Motsu, and when you loose your faction ship and you're set back a couple of months' play to some stupid griefer tactic come tell us how you feel then .
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Craefter
Royal Logistics Service
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dau Imperius
Am I alone here?
I for one would rather help and be helped any day of the week.
Thank you all for your constructive feedback. What Dau said here was good to read, there is still hope among you.
But your other reasons were valid too. A CNR with faction fittings is too much to lose. So maybe there is a middle way between fun and risk for mission runners.
As we are not all in the same corp or alliance we should create another social umbrella to create trust between us. Maybe put a list of people in your bio with whom you have flown missions together. Ask in local for people who can vouch for an unknown person. Ask the people in his bio if he is to be trusted. Maybe that way trust patterns arise. (Okay, I know, I haven't figured out pirates vouching for eachother but they sure can't repeat the trick.)
Also it's not needed to use your Faction fitted CNR for "multiplayer" missions. We all know you can do it solo and if you have such a ship ISK is probably pooring out of your hangar. Just fit a normal raven with T2 stuff, that really should do the trick and doesn't cost so much.
The risk would be a normal raven, the reward would be more humanity for mission runners.
-Craefter
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Xaintrix
The Shadow Order
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:33:00 -
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Well we have to consider that the environment we're in is very different from many other MMOs. First we're subject to a constant PvP enviornment - as you read so much about scams and being jumped when all you want to do is help can jade even the most noble a player. Second, the nature of Local is sketchy at best. If you're in a popular mission running zone then there's a reasonable pool to consult, however I don't know about you but I often find myself not looking at Local whatsoever in Empire given all the other chat windows we have at our disposal.
Alliance chat, Corp chat, Intel chat, Interests chat.... it really adds up.
But all that aside, I think like every area of the game you get different personalities. Sure, one one hand you have your introverts that like to maintain a relatively solitary existence in a rich environment that really is a result of the playerbase. But you also have people like myself that will run his mouth and socialize, but sticks to mission running during the week because I just don't have the time to get out and see the universe, however still like to smash stuff and earn some money. I'm certainly not one of those "billionaire" mission runners people cry about. (even though there are plenty of miners, manufacturers and the like that are like this too...)
I don't think we can paint everyone with the same brush.
It's like making the topic "Are ALL pirates complete *******s?" "Are ALL T2 Manufacturers greedy misers?"
There are plenty of exceptions to the rule we set in our minds.
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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.27 21:28:00 -
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Well, now with salvage it makes even more sense to team up - so one person is doing all the salvaging. Doing missions together increases the speed thus the reward, so I'd think gangs are more optimal then solo anyway - although remember only one person gains standing bonuses. And yes, I personally have problems finding helpers, too.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.27 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus
Well, now with salvage it makes even more sense to team up - so one person is doing all the salvaging. Doing missions together increases the speed thus the reward, so I'd think gangs are more optimal then solo anyway - although remember only one person gains standing bonuses. And yes, I personally have problems finding helpers, too.
Thats what alts and 2 boxing is for.
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subvert
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Posted - 2006.12.27 22:44:00 -
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I only refuse to gang when I'm at war because I dont want to drag anyone into my corp wars its just the polite thing to do.
when i help people I fully tank my ship though, because you never knew if they are noobish and will aggro an entire complex worth of NPCs
im ALWAYS willing to help someone in my drake sinces mine is quite a tank, like with level 4s if someone is having trouble i will warp in and kill the cruisers and frigs so they can focus on the BS
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar
DROW Org
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Posted - 2006.12.28 08:46:00 -
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There is little to no benefit for ganging in missions, and every reason to suspect the worst at all times in Eve.
It's simply the way the game mechanics work.
If you're looking for a support network, and for people willing to help when you need it, an NPC corp is probably not going to get you those things. The "social umbrella" you mentioned earlier, is already a major part of this game. Join a good player corp, and never go wanting for help or social interaction again.
Read any one of the forum areas here for more than a couple of minutes and you will realize that trying to get "mission runners to trust each other unite" simply is not in the cards. The game discourages that in every concievable way. I don't want to crush your hopes for a kinder, gentler, Motsu. I'm just trying to spare you some frustration.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.12.28 10:29:00 -
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The op is pretty unfair tbh.
There are people that do still help and wish to do with others, it's just likes said, until ccp decide to plug the holes that people exploit, you will never see it in any great number.
I was going to reply with something highly positive (having been involved in some great collective efforts in the past) but it seems we have devolved into the old get corp mates, join the right corp arguement again if thats what you want.
It's just not it, you waste your time with that line, it's not what it's about what so ever... i like forming up groups on random to get things done.. iv'e had great experiences and made a lot of friends in the past in eve from doing this.
Having said that though, i was disapointed myself the other day, i had a stinking hangover, couldn't be botherd to run missions myself... so i offerd my services for free in local to tractor and salvage.
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Gee'Kin
Tha Specialz
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:08:00 -
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use to help peeps. now iam a boring stiff.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:26:00 -
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
You need to find a good Mission Running corp, that's all.
Yeah, till you relise that your corpmate could be a pirate who ganks you mid mission as concord does not care about corp members attacking you 
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