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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
768
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Posted - 2015.10.15 01:11:57 -
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Rhoxy Runekin wrote:Sometimes, the drones that crew my ship will fall over. So I hired a small team of well-built individuals to set them back up again so that my crew can continue to work indefinitely. I haven't noticed them fraternizing much, but they do tend to do a lot of fist bumping, and patting each other on the posterior.
Are you using bipedal drones?
If yes, what is wrong with you? Bipedal design is very inefficient and always cost more than they are worth, due to needing advance algorithm to control the complicated network of hydraulics at the legs.
Use a hexapod, octapod, levitators, hybrids or hovers for Spirit's sake!
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
332
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Posted - 2015.10.15 04:20:14 -
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I hire mostly ex-Navy when crewing my ships. They're well disciplined and know how to react under pressure, and they also have the general attitude about that screwing around on the job can get them all killed in combat.
Relationships between my crew? So long as they don't let it interfere with their duties, it's fine. If I think it'll be a problem, they're reassigned to different projects where how they spend their free time won't have serious repercussions.
My most valuable crew, though, are the old intelligence team that I worked with in the State Navy. I called in favors, and spent a lot of isk, to secure their contracts and managed to convince most of them to transfer to Crimson Serpent. Best baseliner team I've worked with. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5707
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Posted - 2015.10.15 05:49:37 -
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Arrendis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Well, ma'am. This isn't just a "fraternization". It is an outrageous perversion, violation of Corporate Marriage code of conduct and basic human dignity. [...]
Such behavior in the State is not tolerated. Of course my recommendations would work for Caldari, but gallente... you know, they might even allow such sort of... well.
You keep saying this, yet I've known a number of same-sex married couples among the Caldari. Can you please cite the specific ordinance(s) that enforce your position? My understanding is that the State doesn't so much forbid same gender marriage as not permit it - a slim distinction to be sure. As for same-sex relationships, they are not so much banned as culturally frowned upon, to the point of termination of contract, refusal of service, social shunning and so forth.
I dunno though. Some companies may have restrictive policies.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Goldfinch
Order of Jamyl
462
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Posted - 2015.10.15 06:10:03 -
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Arrendis wrote:You keep saying this, yet I've known a number of same-sex married couples among the Caldari. Can you please cite the specific ordinance(s) that enforce your position?
To add to what Tuulinen-haan said, State Corporations have wide latitude over employee marriage policies, and as such these policies do not recognize or legally permit same-sex marriage within State borders. The marriage itself is not banned in spirit, as said, but it confers no legal or political benefit.
It is not to say a division or enclave of a Megacorp does not permit more liberal policies.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Alizabeth Vea
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
600
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Posted - 2015.10.15 11:01:04 -
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There's a reason those of us with such attractions are usually found outside the State.
Women Gamers of EVE moderator: a place for women to gather in a male dominated EVE Online.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5708
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:18:38 -
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It should also be stated that the same social biases that would frown on openly same-sex relationships would also frown on people taking an interest in what two people get up to behind closed doors.
However I completely understand why those committed to an openly same-sex relationship who also feel the need to conform to the social trends of their chosen home, might avoid settling in the State. Capsuleers themselves are generally capable of pursuing any relationship they damn well choose. I know several State capsuleers who have same-sex relationships, quite openly, who consider themselves beyond the reach of social opprobrium.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2090
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:30 -
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I would like to note that it isn't just 'social' construct, it is also biological and natural construct. Maker has made us in two genders for a reason. Besides, otherwise we couldn't procreate, and such sort of activity would be only a perversion. Since procreation itself is rather filthy, dirty, disgusting and painful process, participating in related activity without actual procreation is the perversion even if done with proper gender coupling.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
771
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:48:37 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would like to note that it isn't just 'social' construct, it is also biological and natural construct. Maker has made us in two genders for a reason. Besides, otherwise we couldn't procreate, and such sort of activity would be only a perversion. Since procreation itself is rather filthy, dirty, disgusting and painful process, participating in related activity without actual procreation is the perversion even if done with proper gender coupling.
So basically you are trying to torture yourself back on then when I was still with the TLF.
Oh how do you hate yourself.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2091
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Posted - 2015.10.15 17:09:53 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: So basically you are trying to torture yourself back on then when I was still with the TLF.
Oh how do you hate yourself.
Freaking gallentean liar, I wasn't doing or trying to do anything like that, you filthy creature!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Mika Tanaka
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.10.15 17:26:30 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would like to note that it isn't just 'social' construct, it is also biological and natural construct. Maker has made us in two genders for a reason. Besides, otherwise we couldn't procreate, and such sort of activity would be only a perversion. Since procreation itself is rather filthy, dirty, disgusting and painful process, participating in related activity without actual procreation is the perversion even if done with proper gender coupling. Someone seems to be over-under-fraternized. |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1058
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:01:20 -
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My ships are crewed through the wonders of Takmahl bio engineering.
Cloned crewmembers, generated from planktonic biomass, en masse.
What they do in their own time is their business, not mine.
So long as the hair-pulling and name-calling doesn't disrupt operation of the ship, of course.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1658
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:19:59 -
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Arrendis wrote:You keep saying this, yet I've known a number of same-sex married couples among the Caldari. Can you please cite the specific ordinance(s) that enforce your position?
Respectfully, Arrendis, she's not wrong, even if she's not entirely right. The State's breeding practices are, shall we say, restrictive, and kind of tightly controlled.
That's not to say that there's no room for love, or that physical intimacy is widely looked at the way Ms. Kim does, but a loving marriage is kind of a happy accident. That's between arranged couples of like bloodline, of course; unauthorized pairings, especially across bloodlines, are a scandal.
Pairings like that aren't so much illegal as heavily frowned on. I'm half-blooded, myself. I'm a capsuleer, so that doesn't matter so much to me, but apparently my antecedent went through a lot because of it. I'm kind of glad I can't remember that. If I weren't a capsuleer, and were living as a corporate citizen in a Caldari city on Achura, someone would have the probably kind of unenviable job of trying to find a match for me.
Maybe the job wouldn't be that hard, though. Mixed blood is disfavored, but pairings are made on the basis of appearance, not blood, and I favor my Achur mother over my Civire father. I don't know quite why they do things this way, but I have a guess.
There are two ethnic Caldari bloodlines: Deteis and Civire. I hear there used to be more. I think the chief executives might be trying to recreate more of the old lines, turn back history by selectively pairing like to like.
Even if they're not, the State's is a planned population, and, by design, very, very traditional. There's not a lot of room for matches that can't produce children.
Of course, also, ordinary Caldari corporate citizens rarely deal with foreigners of any kind. I don't know the details, and don't want to presume too much, but it's quite possible that you met the couples you mentioned largely as a result of them having found a place for themselves on the fringes or wholly outside of Caldari State society.
((Caldari are also directly a wee touch homophobic. Source (not wholly unambiguous, but....).)) |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
771
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:44:42 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: So basically you are trying to torture yourself back on then when I was still with the TLF.
Oh how do you hate yourself.
Freaking gallentean liar, I wasn't doing or trying to do anything like that, you filthy creature!
I love how easy it is to set you off.
You are even more temperamental than the hydrazine tanks I have on my planetside garage.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1659
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:51:28 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:I love how easy it is to set you off. You are even more temperamental than the hydrazine tanks I have on my planetside garage.
Mr. Egivand ...
Respectfully, and understanding fully how troublesome Ms. Kim can be, do you visit your ship medical bays to poke your fingers in wounded people's injuries because it's so easy to make them scream?
Do you do that even with captured enemies?
You don't, right? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
771
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:59:08 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:I love how easy it is to set you off. You are even more temperamental than the hydrazine tanks I have on my planetside garage. Mr. Egivand ... Respectfully, and understanding fully how troublesome Ms. Kim can be, do you visit your ship medical bays to poke your fingers in wounded people's injuries because it's so easy to make them scream? Do you do that even with captured enemies? You don't, right?
Only if that person's name is Diana Kim, or is someone who is like Diana Kim.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2091
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:11:58 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: I love how easy it is to set you off.
You are even more temperamental than the hydrazine tanks I have on my planetside garage.
If you think you can disturb me with your idiocy, you are even dumber than pet furrier.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1661
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:28:23 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:By the way, I'm not in a habit of taking prisoners. They have their distress beacons and someone else will pick them up. I'm a privateer, and we aren't paid to take prisoners.
That's pretty much my approach, too.
Sometimes compassion consists in forgetting people exist.
Quote:Only if that person's name is Diana Kim, or is someone who is like Diana Kim.
Thing is ... it's only the wounded Diana Kim that you're talking to. I'm not sure any of us have ever gotten to speak to her when she wasn't hurt.
The way she keeps worrying about me among the Gallente ... I think someone hurt her, and I think it was here, in the Federation. I'm not sure it's an excuse, but it's a reason.
Maybe it's naiive of me, but, if it weren't for that, I'm not at all sure she'd be someone you'd want to harm.
Maybe there's no way to fix the damage. People have tried, but ... I don't know.
Hurting someone whose existence is already basically a howl of pain....
It seems cruel to me. That's all. |
Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik
257
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:35:20 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:My ships are crewed through the wonders of Takmahl bio engineering.
Cloned crewmembers, generated from planktonic biomass, en masse.
What they do in their own time is their business, not mine.
So long as the hair-pulling and name-calling doesn't disrupt operation of the ship, of course. This should really be mandatory. |
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
191
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:55:31 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would like to note that it isn't just 'social' construct, it is also biological and natural construct. Maker has made us in two genders for a reason. Besides, otherwise we couldn't procreate, and such sort of activity would be only a perversion. Since procreation itself is rather filthy, dirty, disgusting and painful process, participating in related activity without actual procreation is the perversion even if done with proper gender coupling.
Your interpretation of The Way is as slanted as the rest of your views. Mr. Tuulinen's explanation is much more accurate.
As for the crew dilemma, I would at the very least, remove the saboteur from your crew immediately. Offlining parts of your ship without authorization is an extremely serious matter and not an action that should be tolerated, much less rewarded with a vacation.
After you do that, you should probably rethink the structuring of your crew. Having one person that can offline an entire subsystem by themselves is asking for trouble. On my ships, only I am able to give the authorization to preform that task barring very specific circumstances.
As others have said, they can either do their jobs or they can go somewhere else. They are not being paid to form relationships.
Sahriah Bloodstone
Praetor, No.Mercy
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
703
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:04:32 -
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Rarely fraternize, if ever. The number of ships I own means that most would rarely have work if were on retainer. As such, most crewmembers are hired contractors trough DCM prior to deployment and earn a percentage of all I earn. Exception is with my exploration ships which see regular use. Being in a low power status frequently in hostile space with a small crew complement, socializing helps to keep morale.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
774
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:18:30 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Quote:Only if that person's name is Diana Kim, or is someone who is like Diana Kim. Thing is ... it's only the wounded Diana Kim that you're talking to. I'm not sure any of us have ever gotten to speak to her when she wasn't hurt. The way she keeps worrying about me among the Gallente ... I think someone hurt her, and I think it was here, in the Federation. I'm not sure it's an excuse, but it's a reason. Maybe it's naiive of me, but, if it weren't for that, I'm not at all sure she'd be someone you'd want to harm. Maybe there's no way to fix the damage. People have tried, but ... I don't know. Hurting someone whose existence is already basically a howl of pain.... It seems cruel to me. That's all.
It was never about kindness on my part, and I am not trying to help her.
Let's use your 'wounded patient' analogy to illustrate what I think of her.
She is that patient with a gangrenous arm who spends all her time in the ward criticising other patient's wounds while denying that she has a gangrenous arm. When pointed out that her own arm is trying to kill her, she covers that arm and insists LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU and proceed to mock other people's wounds HARDER.
When the nurse comes to help her out and the doctor comes to amputate her arm, she tries to stab them with a plastic fork.
I have zero sympathy for that kind of attitude and I am going to keep reminding her that she has that gangrenous arm every time she mocks other people's wounds.
By stabbing that would-be stump with a screwdriver.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2093
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:04:46 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: It was never about kindness on my part, and I am not trying to help her.
Let's use your 'wounded patient' analogy to illustrate what I think of her.
She is that patient with a gangrenous arm who spends all her time in the ward criticising other patient's wounds while denying that she has a gangrenous arm. When pointed out that her own arm is trying to kill her, she covers that arm and insists LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU and proceed to mock other people's wounds HARDER.
When the nurse comes to help her out and the doctor comes to amputate her arm, she tries to stab them with a plastic fork.
I have zero sympathy for that kind of attitude and I am going to keep reminding her that she has that gangrenous arm every time she mocks other people's wounds.
By stabbing that would-be stump with a screwdriver.
Wow, this gallentean pet lapdog is really crawling out of his skin, making out all this crap about me. Look at him, citizens. Look at his face and at his stupidity. This is the face of the enemy. Uncompromising, brainwashed, dumb and aggressive. Peoples like Emlund can't be talked with. They can't be reasoned with. They are everything that the word GALLENTE mean.
So, grab your guns. And if they show up near your doors - shoot them down like rabid dogs. For the State!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1664
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:53:57 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Let's use your 'wounded patient' analogy to illustrate what I think of her.
She is that patient with a gangrenous arm who spends all her time in the ward criticising other patient's wounds while denying that she has a gangrenous arm. When pointed out that her own arm is trying to kill her, she covers that arm and insists LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU and proceed to mock other people's wounds HARDER.
When the nurse comes to help her out and the doctor comes to amputate her arm, she tries to stab them with a plastic fork.
I have zero sympathy for that kind of attitude and I am going to keep reminding her that she has that gangrenous arm every time she mocks other people's wounds.
By stabbing that would-be stump with a screwdriver.
I'd analyze it a little differently. To my eye, her behavior isn't a denial of her injury; it's a product of it.
Pain can make people irrational, even if their brains aren't directly affected. Also, a patient delirious with fever can make all sorts of trouble.
If she were whole and well, she might be someone like me. Some of her remarks have implied that she, also, once went wandering, looking to see the world, the way I do.
I guess it didn't go very well.
If that were to happen to me (and I guess it sort of did-- my antecedent wasn't a very nice or happy person), I think ... I'd want someone to put me back together.
I know, people have tried and here we still are.
But still.
... maybe there's no solution but what happened to me. But that seems like a really questionable sort of medicine. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
775
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:08:44 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Wow, this gallentean pet lapdog is really crawling out of his skin, making out all this crap about me. Look at him, citizens. Look at his face and at his stupidity. This is the face of the enemy. Uncompromising, brainwashed, dumb and aggressive. Peoples like Emlund can't be talked with. They can't be reasoned with. They are everything that the word GALLENTE mean.
So, grab your guns. And if they show up near your doors - shoot them down like rabid dogs. For the State!
Why, this is exactly what you are doing to others. Shall I search through this entire IGS board for every single thing you had ever said and shove them all right into your face until you like it?
I see I really got under your skin, so much so you can't even spell my name right. Mission accomplished. I am going to wait and see what kind of motley fleet you can put together to hunt me down.
I suspect the answer is there won't be a fleet.
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I'd analyze it a little differently. To my eye, her behavior isn't a denial of her injury; it's a product of it.
Pain can make people irrational, even if their brains aren't directly affected. Also, a patient delirious with fever can make all sorts of trouble.
If she were whole and well, she might be someone like me. Some of her remarks have implied that she, also, once went wandering, looking to see the world, the way I do.
I guess it didn't go very well.
If that were to happen to me (and I guess it sort of did-- my antecedent wasn't a very nice or happy person), I think ... I'd want someone to put me back together.
I know, people have tried and here we still are.
But still.
... maybe there's no solution but what happened to me. But that seems like a really questionable sort of medicine.
A wounded animal does not pursue anyone that has slighted it with the intention to harass.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1668
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Posted - 2015.10.17 06:11:50 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:A wounded animal does not pursue anyone that has slighted it with the intention to harass.
Wouldn't that depend a lot on the wound? And there are plenty of animals that will try to avenge an injury, real or perceived.
Admittedly I think a lot of them are one sort or another of badger.... |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
332
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Posted - 2015.10.17 06:14:30 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
I see I really got under your skin, so much so you can't even spell my name right. Mission accomplished. I am going to wait and see what kind of motley fleet you can put together to hunt me down.
I suspect the answer is there won't be a fleet.
Rare is the fleet that can harm a capsuleer whom doesn't undock from an Empire station. |
Mika Tanaka
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.10.17 09:40:29 -
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I would REALLY prefer here to read how cute Rain6637's crewmembers are instead of reading Elmund Egivand's attempts to get a rise from his frigid girlfriend.
Aria Jenneth wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:A wounded animal does not pursue anyone that has slighted it with the intention to harass. Wouldn't that depend a lot on the wound? And there are plenty of animals that will try to avenge an injury, real or perceived. Admittedly I think a lot of them are one sort or another of badger.... I don't know about humans, but wounded animals are the most dangerous. |
Skyweir Kinnison
King's Irregular Lancers
99
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Posted - 2015.10.17 09:50:17 -
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Mika Tanaka wrote:I I don't know about humans, but wounded animals are the most dangerous.
As with many clich+Žs, this one needs qualifying. Animals are very diverse, as are humans.
For example, have you ever seen a wounded sheep? They just lie there, bleating pointlessly, until death or the shepherd finds them.
Not every animal is a lion, nor is every man.
But I agree, we should be talking more about the interesting OP. There have been some fascinating opinions in between the diversions.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
776
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Posted - 2015.10.17 16:49:41 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
I see I really got under your skin, so much so you can't even spell my name right. Mission accomplished. I am going to wait and see what kind of motley fleet you can put together to hunt me down.
I suspect the answer is there won't be a fleet.
Rare is the fleet that can harm a capsuleer whom doesn't undock from an Empire station.
You need to check the killboards and the talk to the locator agent, because your Intel is clearly outdated.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Chrysos Aigis
21
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Posted - 2015.10.17 17:14:35 -
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I try to keep my policies simple:
1. Work time is work time, focus on the job.. which for my in flight crew is keeping myself and everyone else alive. 2. Personal relationships may not exist between crew members of unequal rank, if this situation arises both are dismissed. 3. What you do off duty stays off duty, if it affects your performance or the performance of other crew members you will be dismissed. |
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