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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:19:20 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:General Lootit wrote:Levi Belvar wrote: Loyalty was
Maybe it was but now it's just blackmailing. If they want to blackmail - fine, but it must have a backdraw. Quiting as every action must have consequences. Levi Belvar wrote: We all started out the new guys we all know whats its like and most had it a lot worse than what you have today.
They crossed that line long time ago and back then there was no guy with 200m+ SP. Then why dont you just go and **** off and play the same old generic MMO your used to and stop trying to poison this one. It's rude, mr.bitvet |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
269
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:23:32 -
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General Lootit wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:General Lootit wrote:Levi Belvar wrote: Loyalty was
Maybe it was but now it's just blackmailing. If they want to blackmail - fine, but it must have a backdraw. Quiting as every action must have consequences. Levi Belvar wrote: We all started out the new guys we all know whats its like and most had it a lot worse than what you have today.
They crossed that line long time ago and back then there was no guy with 200m+ SP. Then why dont you just go and **** off and play the same old generic MMO your used to and stop trying to poison this one. How rude mr.bitvet Thats the whole point your just some clueless ignorant newb who wants everything with no effort or time investment, why the dev's want to pander to someone like you is beyond belief .
GÇ£Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.GÇ¥
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:37:16 -
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Levi Belvar wrote: Thats the whole point your just some clueless ignorant newb who wants everything with no effort or time investment
Calm down and breathe deeply. Don't do the same mistake again. |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:44:43 -
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General Lootit wrote:Levi Belvar wrote: Thats the whole point your just some clueless ignorant newb who wants everything with no effort or time investment
Calm down and breathe deeply. Don't do the same mistake again. Your just the epitome of a troll, i have no need to calm down the only thing i feel is sorry for someone like you. Your like the bottom of a babies pram, full of pi$$ wind and broken biscuits and to add to that not had one idea of your own bought to this thread just jump on others or pick at quotes that for the most part make you look simple in your replies.
Feel free to delete this whole troll fest @ your leisure ISD.
GÇ£Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.GÇ¥
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
159
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:51:25 -
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Levi Belvar wrote: i have no need to calm down
OK then
Don ZOLA wrote: Just let him rage on :)
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Vahligmarr
Tribal Core
44
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:21:41 -
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Levi didn't you notice, we have been trolled the last 290 pages :)
First, when the OP startet this as a feedback thread without answering a single line of the feedback...we only know, as stated on Vegas, CCP Seagull thinks it is very important for the game...
After that Dave came and trolled 150 pages with his one and only argument "you are able to buy SP already via the Bazaar and you can do it without real money because somebody else can buy it for you..."
Then the other two showed up, spamming the same argument, twisting it in every direction...
I wonder how important a change can be, when its main pro argument is, we already have something like it, because of Plex/Bazaar
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Josef Djugashvilis
3086
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:24:32 -
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Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.
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Vahligmarr
Tribal Core
44
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:30:22 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.
Tell CCP seagull please <.< |
Josef Djugashvilis
3086
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:34:03 -
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Vahligmarr wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream. Tell CCP seagull please <.<
She already knows :)
What bothers me, is the sad attempt to pass it off as an improvement for us, the players, rather than being open and honest and simply saying that (they) CCP need the extra icome for whatever reason.
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Vahligmarr
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:40:45 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Vahligmarr wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream. Tell CCP seagull please <.< She already knows :) What bothers me, is the sad attempt to pass it off as an improvement for us, the players, rather than being open and honest and simply saying that (they) CCP need the extra icome for whatever reason.
Yeah, exactly. A huge disappointment. If they are in need of more income, they should tell us. I would gladly pay 20$ a month subscription, if they leave some fundamentals as they are and the promise that they don't go f2p |
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:32:30 -
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I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
510
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:42:25 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.
Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
159
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:48:39 -
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Vahligmarr wrote: Yeah, exactly. A huge disappointment. If they are in need of more income, they should tell us. I would gladly pay 20$ a month subscription, if they leave some fundamentals as they are with the promise that they don't go f2p
General Lootit wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Just make players pay more, and there are players who are willing to pay more. It's all about the price. Any money to keep a crown. |
Vahligmarr
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:19:04 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.
I want new players to join because its a good game not because it's free to play. Trial is free already, one month should be enough to decide if you like it. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3090
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:33:09 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!
Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.
For your sake, I hope you are trolling.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6859
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:01:49 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve! Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families. For your sake, I hope you are trolling. Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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HanterRU Z
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:12:33 -
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#1 - 2015-11-21 00:54:25 UTC | | Edited by: HanterRU Z i just noticed this post by the devs.
So SP can be traded if this patch happens and bought and sold on eve market...mmm like plex yes..
Lets see..we have PLEX which can be purchased with real world cash.. this can be sold ingame for isk..then this in turn can now be turned in to bought SP..
So people with loads of cash in real life can simply buy thier way to a stronger bigger toon..and those who cant..deal with it and train for yrs..
i remember that leaked memo..
GREED IS GOOD..remember that ccp
im not suprised the server population has dropped from a steady 52k at peak times to barley crossing 30k threshold
CCP Rise on behalf of Team Size Matters ( Yeah the size of your real world wallet)
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HanterRU Z
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:21:14 -
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heres a run down of a few yrs ago
1) CCP announces their GÇ£AmbulationGÇ¥ or GÇ£Walking in StationsGÇ¥ expansion sometime in 2006. Some people get excited at the prospect. Others ***** at how this takes away from real game issues, and how there are more important things to take care of.
2) Teaser after teaser for the expansion gets released over the years. Gameplay systems and bugs get fixed, lag is patched over and over, and more interaction is added to the EVE universe. Among them, players can conquer sectors of space, mine for minerals on planets with special equipment, run deepspace instances, explore wormholes, create new items and train new skills. During this period, GÇ£walking in stationsGÇ¥ is seemingly vaporware, save for an update to the character creation engine late last year, seemingly in preparation for the update.
3) In May 2011, CCP holds the first ever EVE Fanfest, which according to their website GǣGǪbrings together players in a massive celebration of the virtual world of EVE Online.Gǥ It seems to be a huge success, bringing CCP and the community together like never before.
4) Less than one month later, this all falls apart:
a) During a tournament, CCP shows a new gold colored battleship, available from their new microtransation store, the aptly named GÇ£Noble Exchange.GÇ¥ People rage at the implication of being able to buy a ship that took others months of saving to get. More rage at paying $50 to buy a ship as easily destructible as any other battleship. b) Days later, a developer posts about a fee to post third party apps for EVE Online on an GÇ£App StoreGÇ¥. The words GÇ£monitizationGÇ¥, GÇ£small feeGÇ¥ and GÇ£$99 dollarsGÇ¥ are used in the same paragraph. People rage more. c) Somewhere around here, an internal CCP newsletter is leaked with the title GÇ£Greed Is Good?GÇ¥. People get even more pissed off. d) Incarna launches. Clothing items including the infamous $68 monocle cause things to go into overdrive. |
Veraca Darmazaf
EVE University Ivy League
18
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:31:28 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.
For your sake, I hope you are trolling.
Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko Yes, clearly the only difference between Dust and EVE, and therefore the only reason for a difference in population, is the payment model.
That's not to say I agree one way or the other on how well EVE would handle a F2P transition, merely that I think that particular argument is silly at best. |
Revenant
Empirical Solutions
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:32:01 -
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virm pasuul wrote:My gut reaction is negative, but in my attempt to express logical reasons I can only come up with two things I like about it:
1 It is an skill point sink, it will remove skill points from the game. The best conversion rate is 1:1 where no skill points are lost. In all other cases more skill points are consumed than released and so skill points are removed. I like the concept of this. As skill points are removed, the existing skill points will have slightly more value, in theory anyway.
2 It will make the construction of fresh spying alts easier, especially if there is no record of it's use in the API. I like the meta possibilities that may arise from it. For those paying attention it would be fairly easy to spot - skill points versus character age.
3 Encourages muppetry. This was going to be a negative until I realised, no wait that's a positive. If players can bling their characters for RL cash the way they bling their ships then that just means more clueless idiots flying around, who don't have the knowledge of how to play the game properly. I am all for this, more juicy targets for shiney loot and killmails.
against : It does tilt towards pay to win, but no more than already exists. What's the difference between what's proposed here and buying PLEX to turn into ISK to buy a character. It's just a different way to achieve the same ends.
This. While my gut reaction was definitely negative, this post hits it on the head. Still not really a fan of the idea for whatever reason. I would say that selling complete skills versus unallocated SP would be preferred, though I'd prefer a revamped / integrated character bazaar over this concept in general. |
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
511
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:35:03 -
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Veraca Darmazaf wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.
For your sake, I hope you are trolling.
Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko Yes, clearly the only difference between Dust and EVE, and therefore the only reason for a difference in population, is the payment model. That's not to say I agree one way or the other on how well EVE would handle a F2P transition, merely that I think that particular argument is silly at best.
Not as silly as implying that making a game free to play will automatically make it flooded with activity and players. My point was dismissing that notion as ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this, should be obvious. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
511
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:38:40 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve! Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families. For your sake, I hope you are trolling.
It's not trolling, it's sarcasm. |
Veraca Darmazaf
EVE University Ivy League
18
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:51:30 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote: Not as silly as implying that making a game free to play will automatically make it flooded with activity and players. My point was dismissing that notion as ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this, should be obvious.
Sarcasm on the internet is tricky. I interpreted your post to mean you thought f2p would massively slash the population - the exact opposite of what you were replying to - rather than merely have a lesser effect as you apparently meant. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
511
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Posted - 2015.11.21 07:22:24 -
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Veraca Darmazaf wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote: Not as silly as implying that making a game free to play will automatically make it flooded with activity and players. My point was dismissing that notion as ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this, should be obvious.
Sarcasm on the internet is tricky. I interpreted your post to mean you thought f2p would massively slash the population - the exact opposite of what you were replying to - rather than merely have a lesser effect as you apparently meant.
Yes. That being said, I do think going F2P is actually going to harm EVE's population. This whole direction EVE is heading in is either going to slowly bleed the game to death or change it into a themepark MMO. |
DeepHole Trild
Deeps corp
0
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Posted - 2015.11.21 20:12:58 -
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ehm alright ...
This idea came up after years of discussing how to bring more new players to eve and have them stick longer than the 2-3 weeks trial, right?
The first question which pops up:
- Is it going to attract more new people to Eve and have them stick longer? - If new players don`t stick because of the idea they can never catch up on older players than what is this idea to which they think never can live up to? It seems to be new players think 'big = more guns = better'. And, will this trading skills system going to change that idea?
Everything about Eve if you first join radiates: Big = more guns = better. Also on the killboards there is no other differentiation but DPS. You either got lots of DPS or you have got a fleet with lots of DPS so you can get on top of the killboard. The single role which is celebrated is the role of DPS.
Reward different roles equally and this idea new players have might change so they can live up to the idea they too can be part of something within a reasonable amount of time. Change the killboards for example to also show the fleet who did the most reps so they could deiliver the most DPS. In stead of DPS rules all.
New players can live up to some of these roles in short notice and feel they are doing something which adds up to each individual taking part in a fleet.
Finally, there is no example in real life where you can get skilled in something from one day into the other. It feels counter intuitive. And, for those games who actually have these trade offs, skills for money and vice versa, are the games built on hypes. Where new players come and go rapidly anyway.
Either way, I do love the idea but I don`t think it will have new players stay longer then the 2-3 weeks trial.
Celebrate every role equally. Tell the story of EVE both in numbers and in roles on a daily basis. Killboards should go more in depth, unraveling the story of teamwork.
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
159
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:27:16 -
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DeepHole Trild wrote: - Is it going to attract more new people to Eve and have them stick longer?
I think(as noob) it will helps me but it isn't the main reason why I'm sticking with the game. Main reason is friendly community of players |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4185
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:39:04 -
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Just some additional thoughts.
If a player doesn't likes the game enough when he haves low skills, he's unlikely to like it further just with more skills. Having more skills doesn't makes the game better, or more enjoyable.
What a faster skilling does for sure, is to shorten up the tenure of those disastisfied player, who rather than sit on the fence for months can find out sooner that their issue is not with skills, but with the game.
So, players who enjoy the game and would become long term players will become it the same (just faster or for a higher price), and EVE will just burn out and churn faster those who don't like the game enough to play it for a decade but currently need a couple of years to notice that EVE is not made for them.
I can understand how CCP may be a bit more worried than CCP Quant implies with the PCU numbers, but I can't sympathize with their misled efforts to revert that situation.
EVE has stopped growing in the worst way possible: first, it has given up new players by adding "Level 80" content only, and second it has compounded that by neglecting (out of unawareness or poor decission making) the core of its population, the silent but dependable highsec solo PvE cash cows.
Selling them that Raven faster is not going to change anything. It's just a feast today, famine tomorrow situation.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
159
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Posted - 2015.11.21 22:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just some additional thoughts.
If a player doesn't likes the game enough when he haves low skills, he's unlikely to like it further just with more skills. Having more skills doesn't makes the game better, or more enjoyable. It was a radical thought. If having more skills doesn't makes the game better, or more enjoyable for you a) Stop traning skills b) Vote for Dror(with his idea to get rid of SP system) c) Transfer your high SP toon to me or someone else who can enjoy it. There no differense between playing low SP toon and high one. Right?
Just kidding. If you were right than there wouldn't be exist such thing as bazaar.
Post with opposite opinion
Lan Wang wrote:I bought my first character when i was at 4mil sp, jumped to 42mil sp, was always my intention to buy a character as soon as i heard about the bazaar, but only once i would buy a main character, buying that character made me relevant in fleets and i had much more fun with 42mil sp than i did with 4mil sp, it didnt make me that much better at the game but it certainly made one hell of a difference.
I really dont see much of an issue with this as my now highish sp doesnt really matter to me anymore, i dont really even bother looking at my skills unless the fc's decide on a new doctrine which i cant already fly but i feel much better about having to invest little to no time training skills to get that ship.
Sometimes a small boost in skills really makes the game so much more enjoyable
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What a faster skilling does for sure, is to shorten up the tenure of those disastisfied player, who rather than sit on the fence for months can find out sooner that their issue is not with skills, but with the game.
Do you want tie them up to torture them more? |
Will Howard
Dark Skies Dojo
0
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Posted - 2015.11.21 22:46:44 -
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I don't see that much of a difference in the outcome that you get when someone with too much money buys a character from the character bazaar.
As I sit in a bait venture on a gas site waiting for the stupid proteus pilot who obviously has no clue try to scan me down with combat probes, I knew he bought his pilot and I was pondering the whole "if you're bad no amount of skill points will fix that" line of thinking. Couldn't scan down the venture and apparently didn't realize he could just warp to the gas site to get me (and disregarding that everything we were doing smelled like a complete trap to anyone who has played eve for more than a couple of weeks) so I warped into his probes for him with an industrial.
This skill pack idea will probably yeild the same effect. More shiny kills from dumbasses who don't know what they are doing.
There's probably many ways to exploit this I'm sure. The prices involved would be an important factor in determining how I guess but other than the fact that it's a small step in the direction of pay to win I don't really see how this will hurt anyone but the people who use it. |
Tia Tzu
G.E.A.R.
11
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Posted - 2015.11.21 23:11:34 -
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I must say returning back to the game last week after a couple of years away it looked like CCP had learned some lessons from the past and I was reasonably optimistic, but I see it must have been a lucid period that I missed out on and now they are ready to bring out the same old crazy that I got used to over the last ten years. I dont argue that many including myself would not find this useful, but the usual suspects are surely going to exploit it like they do everything else.. I hope CCP will decide to take this brain fart back to the drawing board like WIS never to be heard about again.. |
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