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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
322
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:45:19 -
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And I just resubbed on Monday. Time to ragequit again.
Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM!
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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1116
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:46:04 -
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Can anyone who's complaining tell me exactly how this is any different to me just paying -ú15 a month or whatever to train a second character and then selling it? Apart from now I can do it without paying -ú15 a month as long as I don't mind my character learning nothing new?
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
477
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:46:15 -
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I love it....Mostly because it makes so many people squawk... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6848
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:46:51 -
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Chroniccandy 420 wrote:I think that sounds much better then letting noob toons, buy there SP. and at the same time punishing veteran players by not letting them have the same return on investment. I can see and would like new players to be able to have a more enjoyable game experience and I think that's a great idea. But it doesn't mean that since we helped "noob" pilot we have to punish vet pilots. Well I guess they could train Capacitor Management to 6 with all that XP.... instead of I don't know... capital hull repair systems 5 which is what you'd be training if you had so much sp by this point.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Marsha Mallow
2625
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:47:15 -
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Mag's wrote:But seeing as I pay my sub, what relevance does it have when I play? That's a really good question. Answer it properly. (And yeh, I am absolutely challenging you, but since that hasn't happened without your consent since 2011 I'm hoping you'll enjoy it)
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:47:26 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Can anyone who's complaining tell me exactly how this is any different to me just paying -ú15 a month or whatever to train a second character and then selling it? Apart from now I can do it without paying -ú15 a month as long as I don't mind my character learning nothing new?
one example is my last post. more examples are spreaded over this thread. |
Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
181
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:48:06 -
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Bad, just bad. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6848
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:49:17 -
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Delegate wrote: This has a potential to scale well beyond the current SP transfer via character bazaar. As such it has a substantially stronger pay-to-win taste to it than the character bazaar.. Suppose a packet cost 2 plex worth of AUR to make.
Ok, now suppose it's a little bit less... where's the tipping point?
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Chjna
the Goose Flock
9
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:49:51 -
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Get into a corp with an api check and all as a noob, plugg in skills for covert cyno and other suspicious skills, awox expensive ****, burn your char and then move on to a new one.
wtf ccp.
Also, t2 BPOs...
Remove T2 BPOs
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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1116
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:50:03 -
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darkchild's corpse wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Can anyone who's complaining tell me exactly how this is any different to me just paying -ú15 a month or whatever to train a second character and then selling it? Apart from now I can do it without paying -ú15 a month as long as I don't mind my character learning nothing new? one example is my last post. more examples are spreaded over this thread.
Dude I'm not going to read 55 pages. I read the first 5 pages or so and it's mainly people saying how terrible and pay to win this is despite the fact that you can already just buy a supercap pilot using real life money to buy PLEX and using PLEX to buy characters totally legitimately.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
89
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:50:24 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Draugo Rana wrote: I really don't understand the "You already have character bazaar, why do you mind so much making it more accessible, blunt, abusable, exploitable and with less consequences?" argument.
So if I think that the character bazaar is a bad idea but I am willing to live with it because it's been there forever and is pretty much status quo then I should now be willing to just accept any fundamental change in this game aspect with open arms?
That's a rather ridiculous argument.
How is it more abusable? Is having the ability to accrue SP faster really an abuse/exploit? Also what consequence is missing?
The consequence that when you buy a character from the bazaar you need to live with that character's skill allocation, reputation, history, name, appearance. That was a trade off you had to deal with. I never liked that possibility to do this but at least it has these consequences.
And people in this thread already started to point out various ways this system can be abused and I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. Because yes, what can possible go wrong when modifying such a core system and letting everyone just move skills back and forth at whim?
Masuat'aa Matari is recruiting Minmatar freedom fighters
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
692
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:50:33 -
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Delegate wrote: This game has a relatively mature players, many of whom will not go well with such ruthless monetization of game experience and trivialization of character development.
They don't sound like a relatively mature player base if their instinct is to stomp their feet and scream for mommy and daddy CCP to make the boogey man under the bed go away.
This is a change that hurts no one in any way other than perpetually sad, angry people no longer feeling like the special snowflakes they tricked themselves into thinking they are.
Get undumb, bad at life noobs.
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Scott Dracov
Isogen 5
16
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:50:56 -
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I chose not to use the CB because I wanted to train my toon myself.
But even if I do not use it I know most players look at it and measure the worth of their character by it as I do.
Currently every character depending on their skills has value that can be quantified by the CB.
After this change your characters worth is based on skill goo not training decisions.
And even if you never plan to sell your toons but take pride in min/maxing skills this change affects your perceived value of what you have accomplished in your dedication to training your toon and paying CCP monthly in the process and cheapens it in ways I can not even calculate.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6848
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:51:32 -
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Chjna wrote:Get into a corp with an api check and all as a noob, plugg in skills for covert cyno and other suspicious skills, awox expensive ****, burn your char and then move on to a new one.. Sounds a lot more expensive than the current way people awox with noob alts....
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Mag's
the united
20480
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:52:28 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Mag's wrote:But seeing as I pay my sub, what relevance does it have when I play? That's a really good question. Answer it properly. (And yeh, I am absolutely challenging you, but since that hasn't happened without your consent since 2011 I'm hoping you'll enjoy it) At this point you need to make yourself a little clearer. It's late, I'm tired.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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CowRocket Void
Great White North Productions Alternate Allegiance
25
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:52:52 -
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No, don't do it.
bleeding shadow darkness > did i just saw a red procurer? :P
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3516
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:53:29 -
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Chjna wrote:Get into a corp with an api check and all as a noob, plugg in skills for covert cyno and other suspicious skills, awox expensive ****, burn your char and then move on to a new one.
wtf ccp.
Also, t2 BPOs...
Wow, it must be a long time since you logged in. T2 BPOs are now kinda crap.
And, yeah you can do your AWOXing if you have deep, deep pockets, but then again somebody with deep pockets like that can do it now with the character bazaar.
So can we stop posting this nonsense.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9240
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:53:38 -
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Since the popular mantra around here is "SP doesn't really matter. It's the skill that comes with time that counts", why all the butthurt?
You will have (according to the raging quitters) everyone buying up skills with no idea how to use them. Do you dim bulbs not see the opportunity here for tear harvesting? Or have you all reverted into the millennial mentality that so pervades the internet these days?
I'd think that half the people posting tears, rage-quit, and fear posts would be doing the opposite and lauding this potential change to how we take advantage of new players.
Seriously' people. Use the brain once in a while.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Dahnan Moiryne
Triple A Tiny-boobs
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:54:53 -
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I loved Eve cuz there is the only way to increase my skills, by the time. And now you guys saying about trading SP. I wait for some momths for get some nice big ships, and now you guys ****** up me. I'm done. If that SP item is really sell at store, then I'll stop my all account. Have fun. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1116
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:55:20 -
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Draugo Rana wrote: The consequence that when you buy a character from the bazaar you need to live with that character's skill allocation, reputation, history, name, appearance. That was a trade off you had to deal with. I never liked that possibility to do this but at least it has these consequences.
This is a pretty poor argument as only an idiot not checking the character's background for themselves is ever going to buy a character with a rubbish skill allocation, history, name, and appearance.
I mean if you buy a character called popblues420 with a corp history 2 miles long for full price then that's stupid.
The only thing I've seen that's any different is that you can shunt your skill points around on one character, which I would agree isn't great.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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Alensin Penshar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:55:31 -
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I will definitively vote NO on this. I am one of five accounts, three of the oldest are not even subscribed right now. EVE is in freefall after GALATEA. I checked Aura on my phone before posting this and there are right now only 18,445 pilots online in EVE!
Are you paying attention, 18,445 pilots! Where the heck is Goonswarm for crying out loud! They have more pilots than that by like 3 to 1. If that isn't the definition of EVE is dying, not sure what is. I personally fought for 18 days with this account to login after GALATEA was released and after giving them the launcher error from the launcher log, they fixed it in less than two days. Too bad for me, they did nothing about the fact I lost 18 days until I went back into my bug report and screamed bloody murder that they owed me for giving them the fix. After 2 days, they agreed and applied a plex to my account. That's part and parcel for why the numbers are so abysmally low. I have not seen numbers over 31,000 in the last two weeks. Where is everyone? CCP cannot keep the game running on these numbers. As more and more players let their accounts expire, the game will die.
This idea just blows me away, they do not need more money, they need to keep the game up so people will resubscribe and keep them flush with money. My unsubscribed accounts include a 2003 post beta account and early 2004 account. Both have substantial skill points but I would never consider what they are suggesting because they get enough of my money now.
Just putting my two cents worth in. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1645
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:56:08 -
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darkchild's corpse wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:This isn't taking ANYTHING away from anyone, it's only giving more to those who don't have. this is (more or less) true but not the point. i think many ppl in here forget that something like this will also be possible with the new thing: imagine you are camped inside a station with a few ppl and noone of you can use jammers for example. or a logistic or whatever you would need to win. usually you would have to buy the skill and train it until you are good enough. the other option would be to buy a character who can already use/fly it. none of these solutions works instantly. but if you are rich, you can simply buy skillpoints instantly and turn the whole situation. and this is one example where this system would give more to those who don't have wich is just not right. That makes some assumptions about how this works:
a) it's available where you are docked in sufficient quantities to meet your immediate need or b) it's on contact and redeemable anywhere or c) you already had the free SP from the purchase already applied
If it requires the first case, which one would hope it will, it's no different then having a mod you need in station for purchase when you have an immediate need. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3520
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:56:13 -
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Dahnan Moiryne wrote:I loved Eve cuz there is the only way to increase my skills, by the time. And now you guys saying about trading SP. I wait for some momths for get some nice big ships, and now you guys ****** up me. I'm done. If that SP item is really sell at store, then I'll stop my all account. Have fun.
Yeah, you forgot about the character bazaar.
Oh, and you just don't know what you are talking about. You can't log into the store and just buy SP. Reading the actual dev blog would help you look less ignorant.
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Menkary Hardluck
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
17
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:56:18 -
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Oh God, no. Please no. Training up a character is supposed to be hard. The choices you make in training are not supposed to be easy. It is supposed to be something you have to very carefully plan. I don't want to see EVE as pay-to-win. |
Fool Nalelmir
LEX University Limited Expectations
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:59:08 -
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Ok there you go I just canceled my subscriptions. After the 231 actual days I have spent in game and the HOLY CRAP (I looked it up) thousands of dollars i have spent on this game to be told that my time and the i went threw to get to this point in eve matters less than getting some new kids that will unsub in a month cuts to dang deep. At least the folks at Star Citizen are honest about taking my money.
Now I wish i wouldn't have gotten those Eve Vegas tickets.
CCP you have till Jan to make me change my mind |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3520
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:08 -
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Menkary Hardluck wrote:Oh God, no. Please no. Training up a character is supposed to be hard. The choices you make in training are not supposed to be easy. It is supposed to be something you have to very carefully plan. I don't want to see EVE as pay-to-win.
Another player ignorant of the character bazaar.
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:11 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Dude I'm not going to read 55 pages. I read the first 5 pages or so and it's mainly people saying how terrible and pay to win this is despite the fact that you can already just buy a supercap pilot using real life money to buy PLEX and using PLEX to buy characters totally legitimately.
dude... your point is invalid for two reasons:
1. you: "why is it a bad idea?" "it's already answered, just read it" "no, i'm lazy"
2. saing "there are already pay to win possiblites" is no reason to implement another one wich is even worse |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9242
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:43 -
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Menkary Hardluck wrote:Oh God, no. Please no. Training up a character is supposed to be hard.
I'm not sure what game you play, but obviously not this one.
Training up a character is as easy as buying a bunch of PLEX an hitting the Character Bazaar. Not exactly the killer grind you seem to think it is.
~ed~ I bow to Teckos' superior speed typing skills.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1645
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:48 -
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Draugo Rana wrote:The consequence that when you buy a character from the bazaar you need to live with that character's skill allocation, reputation, history, name, appearance. That was a trade off you had to deal with. I never liked that possibility to do this but at least it has these consequences.
And people in this thread already started to point out various ways this system can be abused and I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. Because yes, what can possible go wrong when modifying such a core system and letting everyone just move skills back and forth at whim? The majority of the objections are unsupported kneejerk posts, of those that do present reasoning and exploits, I haven't seen one that would actually work as stated with the restrictions actually presented in the blog.
Also moving SP back and forth for any remotely trained character is about the worst thing you can do with the system s described,
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3520
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:58 -
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Fool Nalelmir wrote:Ok there you go I just canceled my subscriptions. After the 231 actual days I have spent in game and the HOLY CRAP (I looked it up) thousands of dollars i have spent on this game to be told that my time and the i went threw to get to this point in eve matters less than getting some new kids that will unsub in a month cuts to dang deep. At least the folks at Star Citizen are honest about taking my money.
Now I wish i wouldn't have gotten those Eve Vegas tickets.
CCP you have till Jan to make me change my mind
You didn't read the dev blog did you?
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