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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:08:13 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:This game started its slide down the hill the moment they introduced PLEX. It didn't take long before people realized they could buy game time for a few bucks, sell the PLEX on the market, and replenish their ship hangar. Aside from the skill queue, having the isk to buy a new battleship was something to work towards in game. I remember getting an officer drop in 0.0 with a corpmate....holy **** were we excited for the windfall. I lived off that income for years. Now, if I want to buy some stuff....buy some game time, sell the PLEX, and bingo...I've got a bunch of throwaway frigates and dessies.
I get excited for even C-type drops.
Burning out those armor reps on a brutix just to tank the room and grab that overseer quick before a gila warps in. I've had min/max farmers steal my loots.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:28:35 -
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I QUIT DURING INCARNIA. QUIT. SPACEBARBIES AND GREED IS GOOD CAN GO TO HELL FOR REAL.
I set a long skill queue with several cruiser 5s and some other good 5s.
SEE YOU IN A WHILE CCP IF YOU EVER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES.
ILL BE FREAKING PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS FOR THE TWITCH-PVP-NO-1-SEC-SERVER-TICK-TWOTCHY PVP GOT 5MONTHS LEFT ON SUB. ILL PLAY WARSHIPS TIL XMAS THEN CHECK BACK TO SEE HOW PAY2WIN HAS RUINED GAME
AND IM SICK OF YOU CODDLING CAREBEARS AND NERFING CONTENT CREATORS.
(DO NOT WORRY EVE-O JUST CUZ PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS AND SKILLQUEUE ONLINE I WILL STILL LONG IN TO POST ON FORUMS) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17165
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Posted - 2015.10.18 13:27:42 -
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Adooni wrote:I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.
Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.
We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.
I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.
If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.
OK then when I buy PLEX from Markee Dragon I can sell them on the market for 500M or station trade them privately to someone for 1.1B
Obvious end result: zero plex on the market.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17165
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Posted - 2015.10.18 13:30:49 -
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Eternal Bob wrote:I honestly don't think there is much CCP can do at this point. EVE was always a niche game, but look at the MMO market now compared to when EVE began. It's even more niche than ever. Gamers are less receptive to the idea of long-term investment for their rewards.
Unless something drastic occurs I believe it's going to be a case of downsizing and milking the players whilst they can from hereon in.
To the contrary, there are several effective options they could choose.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Robert Sawyer
The Vendunari End of Life
75
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Posted - 2015.10.18 13:37:55 -
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Real-life PLEX prices did not change, and the in-game ones didn't change because of CCP, but because of inflation - you see, you THINK that 1.2 billion ISK is a sh*tload of money, but what's really happening is ISK is losing it's value and slowly becoming worthless. This is because everybody nowadays is buying ISK to control the market. However, you'd think that since PLEX is in abundance, the price should go down. No, PLEX has an insanely high demand on the market and the prices will continue going up. I know a guy who bought 10 PLEX when they were 200 million and now he's swimming in ISK - however, I don't recommend investing in PLEX as it is a risky business and the prices can crash anytime now.
Oh, and CCP can't do anything about the prices - EVE's market is a capitalistic one, and the "state" (CCP) cannot intervene.
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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Gaellia Bonaventure
EVE University Ivy League
4437
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:01:59 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here.
Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen
That's a crazy idea it will obvs never happen.
Bring your possibles.
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Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 17:13:46 -
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Harry Forever wrote: its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead
If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15Gé¼ I would agree. I baked a game for 65Gé¼ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15Gé¼ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of Gé¼. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10Gé¼ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway. |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
702
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Posted - 2015.10.18 17:29:58 -
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Like a week ago some glowy dude wearing nothing but a sheet surrounded by vape smoke or clouds and told me there would be a great flood. That I should build a Tayra and load it with 2 of every commodity and the provisions to last for 40 days.
Looks like dude was right cuz man some of these kids are crying up biblical floods.
As time goes on it becomes more and more apparent that eventually we're going to have to repeal the right to freedom of speech. It coupled with the internet and other forms of mass media is too disastrous. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1682
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Posted - 2015.10.18 18:54:18 -
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Tronity Neutronux wrote:Harry Forever wrote: its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead
If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15Gé¼ I would agree. I baked a game for 65Gé¼ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15Gé¼ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of Gé¼. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10Gé¼ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway.
a hobby is something which you enjoy, if you are not enjoying it then its no longer a hobby, you should leave if you dont think the game is worth it
Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3474
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:48:52 -
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There's a huge disconnect between the thread title and the content of the OP. The latter is just another whine about PLEx prices, and the answer to the former is: kill them. Kill them all (in-game).
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Opertone
The Poverty Line
330
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Posted - 2015.10.18 20:01:38 -
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PLEX price has nothing to do with the number of active players
Only inflation from effortless 0.0 anomalies and incursions blitz causes plex price to rise.
Eve started more than 12 years ago, most of the player base was made of students and people above 18 with extra spare time on their hands. Social status changes, people have more responsibilities, jobs, families, etc. Time forces people to quit.
Eve gameplay does not reward solo play. It drives some people away too. You can not win 2v1 easily, this also disturbs some players.
This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.
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BirdStrike
State War Academy Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2015.10.18 20:16:52 -
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As a business CCP should focus on retaining paying subscribers, not appeasing freetards who think grinding a few rocks afk entitles them to a free lunch.
You can afford a PC, you can afford the electricity for that PC, you can afford the internet for that PC. You pay for all these things, why should CCP give you its product for free. Do you expect to go to the Cinema for free?
If you are plexing your account you are the hired minion of a player who is prepared to pay for your gametime in return for your game resources, how much they expect for that exchange is down to what the funder is willing to sell for, not CCP and not the magic plex fairy.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1102
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Posted - 2015.10.18 20:54:53 -
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T1 Battleships prices have increased more than PLEX has. CCP should put a stop to that.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Azazel The Misanthrope
Proioxis Assault Force Exodus.
109
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:03:39 -
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I do see where you are coming from where the connection of PLEX to the ingame economy creates a very real tangent to the financial class distinctions of the real world; where the ultra wealthy (that have some sense) can manipulate the economy in EVE in an artificial way by using mass amounts of their disposable economy to monopolize objects in game. In this same field of competition there is little hope for players with less income rates because more disposable income can just be pumped into the game offsetting whatever wealth you gain by using your own wealth.
PLEX prices in EVE work very much like oil prices, being that they are both commodity items with universal value. The problem with PLEX getting more expensive is that players are becoming wealthier and wealthier and can afford to pay more ISK for them. All in All, I can see OPs concern. PLEX prices can be very oppressive to people who have neither the time nor the funds to afford playing the game for much time, and that is not fair. This could lead to an odd distinction where players in countries (or states) with better economic conditions have a blatantly more privileged game experience, and suddenly there becomes a social gap between the wealthy and impoverished in the game where the impoverished just can't afford to do anything in game; largely because the wealthier not only have more time to play and then proceed to destroy the wealth of those with less time and funds, but also because they have better equipment and social connections to do so.
I am not an economic analyst, but I can see EVE devolving into generating a series of misfortunate real world parallels largely to the economies connection to PLEX.
On the other hand, unlike the real world, EVE doesn't have implicitly placed glass ceilings or awkward social barriers that hinder progress in game, does it? Ultimately, noblesse oblige solves all of these problems, (albeit while creating dozens more) but that is as likely to occur as it does in person. Right? |
Azazel The Misanthrope
Proioxis Assault Force Exodus.
109
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:06:23 -
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Also, MMO style games that rely on a subscription based payment method are in decline in general. Not just EVE. Free-To-Play games are trendy in the gaming world, currently. |
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